RE: Honda S2000 To Go Hybrid?
Discussion
Conian said:
I love petrol engines, the roar, the smell, the power, but i'm also looking forward to a cheap fast electric motorbike capable of 150mph, 300 mile range all for 10p a mile, and a hydrogen car doing a 1000 miles for a quid and still capable of 130+
Do you really think that we're going to be able to get around for so little??? you may be able to do 1000 miles for a quid fuel wise (until it's taxed heavily), but by that time road charging will be in place! Driving a so called 'Green' car (thats actually more damaging to the environment to build/dispose of...) will end up costing the same, if not more than a fossil fueled powered car! 
I love the S2000, I'll keep mine for a long time to come, sure it's going to become a classic and sought after model!
toothrot said:
Groober said:
Baffled Spoon said:
You may mock, but that cars' gonna have some serious performance when the electric motor's vtec kicks in (yo!) when it gets to over 55,000rpm 
Joking aside, I thought the next s2000 was meant to look like this rwd beauty from the motorshow;
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Now that is lovely.Joking aside, I thought the next s2000 was meant to look like this rwd beauty from the motorshow;
Edited by Dracoro on Thursday 16th July 13:36
Dracoro said:
toothrot said:
Groober said:
Baffled Spoon said:
You may mock, but that cars' gonna have some serious performance when the electric motor's vtec kicks in (yo!) when it gets to over 55,000rpm
Joking aside, I thought the next s2000 was meant to look like this rwd beauty from the motorshow;
Now that is lovely.Joking aside, I thought the next s2000 was meant to look like this rwd beauty from the motorshow;
Edited by Dracoro on Thursday 16th July 13:36
SlimJ said:
Conian said:
I love petrol engines, the roar, the smell, the power, but i'm also looking forward to a cheap fast electric motorbike capable of 150mph, 300 mile range all for 10p a mile, and a hydrogen car doing a 1000 miles for a quid and still capable of 130+
Do you really think that we're going to be able to get around for so little??? you may be able to do 1000 miles for a quid fuel wise (until it's taxed heavily), but by that time road charging will be in place! Driving a so called 'Green' car (thats actually more damaging to the environment to build/dispose of...) will end up costing the same, if not more than a fossil fueled powered car! I love the S2000, I'll keep mine for a long time to come, sure it's going to become a classic and sought after model!
After the car is dead the batteries can be recycled through the dealership and because the metals inside have value they are worth recycling and technology exists to make this a clean process. Honda has an 8-year battery warranty on their hybrids, Toyota 5, so they can't be that prone to failing?
Just because the most famous current hybrid is a staid family car that has no sporting pretentions, don't assume they all will be (Fisker Karma anyone). This is also a rumour from one mag, could turn out to be untrue? Also I think calling it an S2000 replacement is a bit odd, I mean it is a totally different concept, just because it is a Honda sports car doesn't make it an S2000? Couldn't it just as easily be a Del Sol replacement or similar?
BTW I love the current S2000, it is as close to my Caterham in concept as I have come across from a normal manufacturer. I just think people jump on speculation too quickly in order to kick car companies they perceive are doing something wrong!
dino ferrana said:
Don't believe the Clarkson hype about hybrids, it is total twaddle.
The main thing I've heard JC say was about nickel mining. This was him quoting a Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator called David Martin during an interview with the Mail newspaper."...the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles. The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare. The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,"
FWD isn't all bad (I've owned an RX8 and MR2 and have done a combined 40kish in these two) and if anyone can do FWD well, Honda can. Just look at their Type R range.
But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
alock said:
"...the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles. The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare. The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,"
To be fair, I believe the environmental damage in Sudbury was caused by either old production techniques that are now obsolete, or by whatever the factory was producing before the nickel batteries, possibly lead ones.However I will say that while the hybrid production itself may not be significantly more damaging, the parallel hybrid technology currently employed offers less real world benefit than its makers profess. It does offer improvement on the drivecycle test and around town (mainly because of stop start and electric pull away), however the rest of the time it's struggling to break even for the extra weight its carrying, unless significant engine downsizing is employed with it.
Next gen series hybrids will offer reduced mechanical complexity and significant economy improvements across the board, despite the extra weight. Battery development might have been slightly improved by existing 'parallels', but not a lot else.
For the moment, simpler tech can be used to greater effect.
Edited by The Wookie on Thursday 16th July 17:19
Ry_B said:
FWD isn't all bad (I've owned an RX8 and MR2 and have done a combined 40kish in these two) and if anyone can do FWD well, Honda can. Just look at their Type R range.
But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
Am I missing something? The RX8 and MR2 are RWD aren't then?But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
forzaminardi said:
Ry_B said:
FWD isn't all bad (I've owned an RX8 and MR2 and have done a combined 40kish in these two) and if anyone can do FWD well, Honda can. Just look at their Type R range.
But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
Am I missing something? The RX8 and MR2 are RWD aren't then?But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
toothrot said:
forzaminardi said:
Ry_B said:
FWD isn't all bad (I've owned an RX8 and MR2 and have done a combined 40kish in these two) and if anyone can do FWD well, Honda can. Just look at their Type R range.
But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
Am I missing something? The RX8 and MR2 are RWD aren't then?But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
What’s the point of a hybrid sports car? Electric cars are an innovative and amazing technology- they are safe, efficient, and clean- and they should stop being made into a punch line. Instead of making over-the-top expensive hybrids, auto companies should be developing affordable 100% electric vehicles. Electric cars have an amazing history, and amazing advantages over combustion engines. To learn more about them, check out http://www.twocentspermile.com and http://bit.ly/2centspermile
evlover said:
What’s the point of a hybrid sports car? Electric cars are an innovative and amazing technology- they are safe, efficient, and clean- and they should stop being made into a punch line. Instead of making over-the-top expensive hybrids, auto companies should be developing affordable 100% electric vehicles. Electric cars have an amazing history, and amazing advantages over combustion engines. To learn more about them, check out http://www.twocentspermile.com and http://bit.ly/2centspermile
tragic first post FAIL !!
the F20C is still a remarkable engine, and in some ways still ahead of its time, yet its 10 years old. What they could have developed inbetween with the latest technology mikes the mind boggle, yet they havent, or seemingly havent. this is for when, 2012? maybe by then hybrid tech will be better, but it just makes you think there hasnt really been a plan for the last few years, rather just a reaction to current events. for any car to stay in production for 10 years with barely any changes, surely it must have been fairly profitable?
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