RE: Honda S2000 To Go Hybrid?
Discussion
snotrag said:
toothrot said:
forzaminardi said:
Ry_B said:
FWD isn't all bad (I've owned an RX8 and MR2 and have done a combined 40kish in these two) and if anyone can do FWD well, Honda can. Just look at their Type R range.
But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
Am I missing something? The RX8 and MR2 are RWD aren't then?But..if they do make it, I hope they don't call it an S2000, I hope they call it the R2000 or something along those lines. It's blasphemy to call a hybrid an S2000.
They are RWD so I have experience with RWD aswell as the FWD cars I have owned and driven, I'm saying don't just dismiss FWD like that. They can still handle well.They might as well call it what it really is - a Honda Accord. If it's front wheel drive it'll most probably share more with that model than anything else.
As for this little argument about emissions, most of a cars emissions come from production not the road use. I'm talking about the whole production process not just bolting it together in the assembly plant. The finding, mining and refining of raw materials that would not be necessary just to repair and maintain cars.
The cost of development is outrageous too and not without emissions either.
A hybrid might very well be fun if it keeps to sports car setup, not a granddad run around Sunday afternoon front wheel drive car.
You cannot make a silk purse from a sow’s ear. If it’s front wheel drive it’s not a S2000, regardless of any badge they might want to put on it.
As for enviromental impact, I'm not sold on this issue of "the car is bad and to blame for all". It's a much bigger picture with much more to look at. But that does generate tax revenue.
The king is dead!
Long live the S2000!
As for this little argument about emissions, most of a cars emissions come from production not the road use. I'm talking about the whole production process not just bolting it together in the assembly plant. The finding, mining and refining of raw materials that would not be necessary just to repair and maintain cars.
The cost of development is outrageous too and not without emissions either.
A hybrid might very well be fun if it keeps to sports car setup, not a granddad run around Sunday afternoon front wheel drive car.
You cannot make a silk purse from a sow’s ear. If it’s front wheel drive it’s not a S2000, regardless of any badge they might want to put on it.
As for enviromental impact, I'm not sold on this issue of "the car is bad and to blame for all". It's a much bigger picture with much more to look at. But that does generate tax revenue.
The king is dead!
Long live the S2000!
Sadly this really will appeal to the same people that buy Peugoet CC's and Renault hard-top cabrio's.
Or those that went for the old FWD Audi TT 150. More 'Boulavard cruiser' than performance car.
It may look nice, and may have reasonable poke but by the sounds of it it'll be no S2000.
Or those that went for the old FWD Audi TT 150. More 'Boulavard cruiser' than performance car.
It may look nice, and may have reasonable poke but by the sounds of it it'll be no S2000.
Terrible news! I'm not even a Honda fan, and think that VTEC is over-hyped and overrated. However, Honda seem to be going in a downward spiral to building appliances with no style, passion, or presence, to transport the aging Japanese population. Honda have quite a thourough racing history to rehash, with numerous wins in motorcycle racing, many years of participation in F1 as an engine supplier and works team, successes in touring car racing, international sports car racing and even drag racing! Why not imbue that history into their new cars? I'm fine with hybrids and all, just make them interesting. But please Honda don't call a FWD car an S2000, or S-anything for that matter, regardless of how much "combined power" it makes.
Marquis_Rex said:
Whichever way they go, Havoc and his fan boys will still worship it torquesteer and all 
Your thinking is getting corrupted by all those live rear-axles you're dealing with now mate! Rediscover some proper technology and quality engineering and you'll realise what a mistake you've made...bobberz said:
Terrible news! I'm not even a Honda fan, and think that VTEC is over-hyped and overrated.
How is it overrated... Only those who either own EP CTRs or dont own hondas at all big up the vtec y0 as they have no clue what they're talking about.Owners know why its a good engine. Be that the B/K/F series VT's. Vtec provides relative economy/smooth daily driving in the low rev range and plenty of poke in the high range. I dont see any rival of the B16 hitting 60 in second gear. and thats a f
king 20 year old engine.Overrated my arse. It is what it is.
It would be tragedy if honda put this into production.
You should remember that the current S2000 was supposed to be just a few year 50th anniversary model for Honda. So to put it this way, the orginal plans were that the S2000- would never make a 10- year production history. As a part of its success, we are lucky to have it still here.
What about FR- layout? When was the last time a S- model roadster was available from Honda? 1960's, 1970's? It was May 1970. So the FR- sportscar layout werent exactley top priority during the thirty years. So why we should believe its top priority now? Of course thats what we would want, but to keep the business running. You will have to be ahead of your time, people dont want changes but you must do them to keep the image.
I personally hope that Honda would make a next generation S2000. I dont think they will, since it would be a long shot from simple- running roadster. Nowdays you will have to add new bits and bobs into the cars to make them survive the planned production time.
Just my .02 cents.
What about FR- layout? When was the last time a S- model roadster was available from Honda? 1960's, 1970's? It was May 1970. So the FR- sportscar layout werent exactley top priority during the thirty years. So why we should believe its top priority now? Of course thats what we would want, but to keep the business running. You will have to be ahead of your time, people dont want changes but you must do them to keep the image.
I personally hope that Honda would make a next generation S2000. I dont think they will, since it would be a long shot from simple- running roadster. Nowdays you will have to add new bits and bobs into the cars to make them survive the planned production time.
Just my .02 cents.
Edited by Twilight1 on Friday 17th July 08:17
havoc said:
Marquis_Rex said:
Whichever way they go, Havoc and his fan boys will still worship it torquesteer and all
Your thinking is getting corrupted by all those live rear-axles you're dealing with now mate! Rediscover some proper technology and quality engineering and you'll realise what a mistake you've made...Marquis_Rex said:
With all your speed humps you could benefit from live axles
Nah...I just view them as opportunities to brake and accelerate hard between them*, p
s off all the locals who wanted them there!* Except for the ones outside a nearby school which happens to be on a rat-run - first time I EVER agreed with the installation of speed-humps!
toothrot said:
Groober said:
Baffled Spoon said:
You may mock, but that cars' gonna have some serious performance when the electric motor's vtec kicks in (yo!) when it gets to over 55,000rpm
Joking aside, I thought the next s2000 was meant to look like this rwd beauty from the motorshow;
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Now that is lovely.Joking aside, I thought the next s2000 was meant to look like this rwd beauty from the motorshow;
I swear- I thought it was a concept Pug being posted as a rival to the future S2000. Still looks good, though.
The Wookie said:
I must say, while I'm usually the first to say FWD isn't rubbish like some people make out, that is fking tragic.
Honda should be ashamed of themselves, dropping a thoroughbred, 9000rpm, rear wheel drive sports car and replacing it with an overcomplicated saloon derived lump with a pointless hybrid system and a folding hard top. It actually upsets me.
Face it peeps: It's not only Honda. It's 2009 and we're facing the end of cars as we know them . . . Charish what you have and keep it as long as possible . . .king tragic.Honda should be ashamed of themselves, dropping a thoroughbred, 9000rpm, rear wheel drive sports car and replacing it with an overcomplicated saloon derived lump with a pointless hybrid system and a folding hard top. It actually upsets me.
Question is if you are a bloke:
1) would you buy an S2000?
2) would you buy the new Peugeot FWD look alike?
I bet the answer would be 1) yes probably 2) no.
You would have the p155 ripped out of you by your mates. One of my mates reckons the S2000 is a girls car.
The replacement does not appear to be a sports car anymore, but a 2 door Eco Friendly soft top.
When marques such as Ferrari or Aston or even BMW don't make FWD cars, that has to tell you something?
1) would you buy an S2000?
2) would you buy the new Peugeot FWD look alike?
I bet the answer would be 1) yes probably 2) no.
You would have the p155 ripped out of you by your mates. One of my mates reckons the S2000 is a girls car.
The replacement does not appear to be a sports car anymore, but a 2 door Eco Friendly soft top.
When marques such as Ferrari or Aston or even BMW don't make FWD cars, that has to tell you something?
dinkel said:
The Wookie said:
I must say, while I'm usually the first to say FWD isn't rubbish like some people make out, that is fking tragic.
Honda should be ashamed of themselves, dropping a thoroughbred, 9000rpm, rear wheel drive sports car and replacing it with an overcomplicated saloon derived lump with a pointless hybrid system and a folding hard top. It actually upsets me.
Face it peeps: It's not only Honda. It's 2009 and we're facing the end of cars as we know them . . . Charish what you have and keep it as long as possible . . .king tragic.Honda should be ashamed of themselves, dropping a thoroughbred, 9000rpm, rear wheel drive sports car and replacing it with an overcomplicated saloon derived lump with a pointless hybrid system and a folding hard top. It actually upsets me.
Honda have no Integra, no Prelude, no CRX, no NSX and now no S2000. They have one car that carries on the tradition, the Civic Type-R...
Toyota used to have the Supra, MR2 and Celica. Now their idea of a sporty car is a diesel corolla (sorry, Auris).
The Evo and Impreza have gone soft.
At least Nissan seem to still be producing decent cars (370Z, GTR). And BMW, and Mazda.
Cars seem to be getting more and more boring as years go on. I only see this trend continuing. Back in the 80s, hot hatches were light, revvy and fun. Now to get such a car new, you have to buy a Lotus Elise, or something similar, which arent exactly cheap.
I cant see me ever buying a modern car, Elise notwithstanding. Old cars have far more character.
dino ferrana said:
SlimJ said:
Conian said:
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