RE: 'Not Guilty' Motorists Face Court Costs

RE: 'Not Guilty' Motorists Face Court Costs

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TVRWannabee

524 posts

248 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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I always thought the 'Ministry of Justice' always sounded like something from a banana republic, but shirley they don't have to live up to their image so completely.

Never mind nailing the petition to Slack Jaws face, I was thinking more in terms of taking the proposals and shoving them up the other end.

Any other party has to be better than this mob. Good grief. ranting

Petition signed and put on several social networks. shout

GMS lawyer

26 posts

175 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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The consultation suggested the government aims to save £20million with the changes they will be introducing. £20million would not even run the NHS for a day.

Thank you Piston Heads for taking up this cause and for pushing the numbers of the petition up.

I know some of you may feel despondent about the worth of a number 10 petition but it has led to the Tories pushing for a vote on a parliamentary debate and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected as they agree this is an ill thought out short term solution that will most probably lead to rising costs for the CPS budget.


B'stard Child

28,458 posts

247 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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7mike said:
Didn't it used to be; Innocent until proved guilty?
Then under DVLA we got guilty until proved innocent.
Now we have guilty unless you can pay to prove innocence.

Isn't democracy just greatconfused
EFA

B Oeuf

39,731 posts

285 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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GMS lawyer said:
The consultation suggested the government aims to save £20million with the changes they will be introducing. £20million would not even run the NHS for a day.

Thank you Piston Heads for taking up this cause and for pushing the numbers of the petition up.

I know some of you may feel despondent about the worth of a number 10 petition but it has led to the Tories pushing for a vote on a parliamentary debate and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected as they agree this is an ill thought out short term solution that will most probably lead to rising costs for the CPS budget.
sacking 3/4 of Parliament would be far more cost effective.......and satisfying

LuS1fer

41,154 posts

246 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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GMS lawyer said:
I know some of you may feel despondent about the worth of a number 10 petition but it has led to the Tories pushing for a vote on a parliamentary debate and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected as they agree this is an ill thought out short term solution that will most probably lead to rising costs for the CPS budget.
Not to mention the real risks of danger to CPS prosecutors when the acquitted find themselves irate and out of pocket. It is especially unnecessary when the courts have discretion not to award costs for those who they think have brought it on themselves or have got off on a technicality.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

210 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Has one of our resident BiBs been along to tell us al why we are wrong and that this is a good idea, yet?


Frimley111R

15,704 posts

235 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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GMS lawyer said:
....and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected ....
WTF is there to 'review'?

lionrampant

577 posts

191 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Signed. They're not even pretending to be fair and just any more...

GMS lawyer

26 posts

175 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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LuS1fer said:
GMS lawyer said:
I know some of you may feel despondent about the worth of a number 10 petition but it has led to the Tories pushing for a vote on a parliamentary debate and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected as they agree this is an ill thought out short term solution that will most probably lead to rising costs for the CPS budget.
Not to mention the real risks of danger to CPS prosecutors when the acquitted find themselves irate and out of pocket. It is especially unnecessary when the courts have discretion not to award costs for those who they think have brought it on themselves or have got off on a technicality.
I don't mean to get too technical but the court does not have that wide a discretion actually. If you get off on a technicality, under present law, this makes no difference as was confirmed in a case my firm took to the High Court earlier this year:

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2009/665...

Also, the reference to bringing a prosecution upon yourself, means if you make a false confession or something similar.

I have no doubt that countless people I currently encounter every day will accept prosecutions when they know they are innocent. The ONLY reason they will do this is because of finances. Trial by bank balance is not what this country's justice system should be about. The government are relying on people a) not fully understanding the issues and b) thinking it doesn't affect them. It could affect 27 million motorists! What do you do if you KNOW you weren't speeding?! What do you do if you tried to blow into the breath test machine but it wouldn't register?!

Knowing that there is already a sector of society that could never afford my firm's fees, even with the present system, I produced a do-it-yourself kit a few years ago that costs less than £10 but it's not enough. The courts and CPS often railroad litigants in person into accepting procedural decisions that should never be made.

I strongly believe that if something is worth fighting for it may involve a struggle but ultimately, we'll get there in the end. Please keep spreading the word.

RANT OVER! furious

B Oeuf

39,731 posts

285 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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odyssey2200 said:
Has one of our resident BiBs been along to tell us al why we are wrong and that this is a good idea, yet?
nowt to do with the Bill, this is a cabinet cock up of epic proportions...yet again.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

210 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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B Oeuf said:
odyssey2200 said:
Has one of our resident BiBs been along to tell us al why we are wrong and that this is a good idea, yet?
nowt to do with the Bill, this is a cabinet cock up of epic proportions...yet again.
Never stops Von from agreeing with this sort of st!


thatone1967

4,193 posts

192 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Frimley111R said:
GMS lawyer said:
....and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected ....
WTF is there to 'review'?
that is political speak for, we will go through the motions of pretending to dump it, but because of the huge black hole left in ukplc's finances, they will not be able to afford to give it back....

GMS lawyer

26 posts

175 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Frimley111R said:
GMS lawyer said:
....and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected ....
WTF is there to 'review'?
They are just keeping their options open.....I don't think we could have wished for stronger comments than Dominic Grieve QC MP:

"I think it is outrageous and I would be interested to see if it could be legally challenged.

"If an individual is being prosecuted by the state, the individual is entitled to use their own means to defend themselves and expect reimbursement if they are acquitted.

"This doesn't mean that the courts do not have the right to act if they believe that they are facing an extravagant claim. But to move away from a system in which an acquitted defendant has the right to recover their expenses to one where they only get back a small proportion is entirely wrong."


frosted

3,549 posts

178 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Frimley111R said:
GMS lawyer said:
....and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected ....
WTF is there to 'review'?
Ahhh , another promise by the Conservatives if they get elected . Dont belive one word of it , they are all thieving bds that live in different place to us.
Actually I have voted for Mr Boris hoping that he would deliver on at least one of his promises but it seems he went back on his word and delivered fk all .

I WISH

874 posts

201 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Breathtaking Stalinistic arrogance ............ but not surprising.

furious

LOGiK

1,084 posts

189 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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Signed, I hope everyone who drafted and agreed to implement this absurdity have their skin sandblasted off.

pistonlager

710 posts

195 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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WorAl said:
God, this country is a fking sthole now isn't it? what a bunch of fking retards we live under.
I think we're the wallies and they're the clever ones

FishFace

3,790 posts

209 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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GMS lawyer said:
LuS1fer said:
GMS lawyer said:
I know some of you may feel despondent about the worth of a number 10 petition but it has led to the Tories pushing for a vote on a parliamentary debate and they have promised a full review of the situation if elected as they agree this is an ill thought out short term solution that will most probably lead to rising costs for the CPS budget.
Not to mention the real risks of danger to CPS prosecutors when the acquitted find themselves irate and out of pocket. It is especially unnecessary when the courts have discretion not to award costs for those who they think have brought it on themselves or have got off on a technicality.
I don't mean to get too technical but the court does not have that wide a discretion actually. If you get off on a technicality, under present law, this makes no difference as was confirmed in a case my firm took to the High Court earlier this year:

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2009/665...
Quite right. I don't want my taxes paying for someone who worms their way out of the police's overly-complicated drink-drive procedure. Hope he had a big hole in his pocket after.

An Oasis

123 posts

189 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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The snot goblin and his merry bunch of sociopaths are doing their very best to turn this country into a backwater tin pot dictatorship. I hope I never meet any of them, I'm not sure I could be responsible for my actions.

golders

141 posts

275 months

Tuesday 20th October 2009
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this is truly awful. how dare they!