RE: Video: Toyota F1 Exit Opens New Doors

[Steamer]

Arrr the fabulous hover-celica's of the early 90's - happy days

Really hope Kobi gets a drives for next season though.

[havard01]

TWIN TUBI said:

Dr G said:

Not 'if' Toyota return to competition, when:



"Tadashi Yamanashi, Chairman of Toyota Motorsport, sheds a tear during a press conference at Toyota's head office in Tokyo, to announce their withdrawal from Formula One racing"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/p...

LOL are you having a laugh?














Thank you Toyota F1 for your great era of Formula 1 racing.





2002-2009

[anonymous-user]

Why don't these manufactures who have left these various forms of motorsport due to FIA's retardedness and simply start their own racing series?

[Hellbound]

Simps said:

Why don't these manufactures who have left these various forms of motorsport due to FIA's retardedness and simply start their own racing series?

That'll teach those pesky governing bodies.

How about this; a racing championship where each manufacturer is allowed 3 seperate vehicles, one rally, one touring and one other. No limits on bhp or engineering. Anything goes and only safety is regulated. The quickest, most reliable team wins.

[80quattro]

I guess Toyota could always enter a factory one of these:



Or even one of these:



As the SC430 and Corolla are currently running in the 2009 Super GT series in Japan.....

[anonymous-user]

Hellbound said:

Simps said:

Why don't these manufactures who have left these various forms of motorsport due to FIA's retardedness and simply start their own racing series?

That'll teach those pesky governing bodies.

How about this; a racing championship where each manufacturer is allowed 3 seperate vehicles, one rally, one touring and one other. No limits on bhp or engineering. Anything goes and only safety is regulated. The quickest, most reliable team wins.

Christ, I just had a trouser accident at the thought of that.

Rule book:

No.1 You must sell XXXX (a figure low enough that they don't have to comply with stupid safety regulations) examples of the cars you intend to use to the public, identical in every way to the racing version bar safety equipment

No.2 There are no rules.

[TWIN TUBI]

havard01 said:

LOL are you having a laugh?

No? Are you?

[Craiglamuffin]

Has anyone got the figures for how much Honda/Brawn and Toyota spent in F1 last year?

I mean, surely it's not just irony that the fairy tale of indy-Brawn rising from potential ruin happens at the same time as the demise of BMW and Toyota?

Does a fat wallet not guarantee success in F1 anymore!?!

[aarondrs]

Its very simple! F1 best car wins! As the pinnacle No regs other than safety and no forced induction
WRC - must sell a showroom vehicle with engine block, gearbox and driveline the same. No forced induction.
LeMans. As WRC
Touring Car. As WRC but bodyshell must be as showroom

[M5 Russ]

aarondrs said:

Its very simple! F1 best car wins! As the pinnacle No regs other than safety and no forced induction
WRC - must sell a showroom vehicle with engine block, gearbox and driveline the same. No forced induction.
LeMans. As WRC
Touring Car. As WRC but bodyshell must be as showroom

And that is why I have no interest in F1, WRC or Touring Cars.

sorry but I just dont find 300bhp front wheel drive race cars exciting - my BMW M5 has more power !!!!
F1 is dead in the water too and has been for years

Give me DTM and 600bhp cars or Rally X every time

[predding]

Kind of vindicates Audi's decision over the years not to enter F1, the premise being that they can get far more product/brand awareness (aka bang for your buck)from DTM, Rally, LM, ALMS and now GT for a small fraction of the cost of F1...

[marcosgt]

M5 Russ said:

And that is why I have no interest in F1, WRC or Touring Cars.

sorry but I just dont find 300bhp front wheel drive race cars exciting - my BMW M5 has more power !!!!
F1 is dead in the water too and has been for years

Give me DTM and 600bhp cars or Rally X every time

I can see your point about Rally X, but have you ever seen a DTM RACE?

Technologically the cars are great, but the racing's dire - Two manufacturers who rarely seem to both have a competitive car at the same circuit and then the board decides which driver from the dominant marque will win. The drivers then dutiful rearrange themselves (or simply refuse to pass a faster car) in order to achieve the required result.

I can see why it's popular in Germany, but it's not what I'd call RACING....

M.

[marcosgt]

rypt said:

Whatever the reason, they still banned it.
So I'm not sure how the whole "Le Mans with alternative powertrains" would work, given how they have no problem banning alternative powertrains.

Err, but Le Mans DIDN'T, the FIA did...

M.

[havard01]

TWIN TUBI said:

havard01 said:

LOL are you having a laugh?

No? Are you?

When you said "Thank you Toyota F1 for your great era of Formula 1 racing." did you mean all the races where they failed to win or the races when Ralf Schumacher and Jarno Trulli acted like mobile chicanes?

I'm glad Toyota are out of F1, they should return to the fields where they were most successful.

[GrahamG]

LukeBird said:

vz-r_dave said:

castex said:

Dr G said:

Having always rather enjoyed the reliability of Toyota's mishaps, I now feel absolutely terrible about the whole thing.

It's seeing pictures like this that make you realise that even those at the top are true petrol heads and not just in it for the money.

Very sad picture.

^^ That is a perfect summing up.
A real shame and touching that they do care...

Or alternatively that the CEO knows that the amount of money wasted by Totota on a failed F1 programme means that his standing in the company is permanently damaged

[g4ry13]

Craiglamuffin said:

Has anyone got the figures for how much Honda/Brawn and Toyota spent in F1 last year?

I mean, surely it's not just irony that the fairy tale of indy-Brawn rising from potential ruin happens at the same time as the demise of BMW and Toyota?

Does a fat wallet not guarantee success in F1 anymore!?!

Brawn weren't exactly a budget team, Honda pumped in plenty of money.

[Marf]

g4ry13 said:

Craiglamuffin said:

Has anyone got the figures for how much Honda/Brawn and Toyota spent in F1 last year?

I mean, surely it's not just irony that the fairy tale of indy-Brawn rising from potential ruin happens at the same time as the demise of BMW and Toyota?

Does a fat wallet not guarantee success in F1 anymore!?!

Brawn weren't exactly a budget team, Honda pumped in plenty of money.

Gifted £400m at the beginning of the season werent they?

[aarondrs]

M5 Russ said:

aarondrs said:

Its very simple! F1 best car wins! As the pinnacle No regs other than safety and no forced induction
WRC - must sell a showroom vehicle with engine block, gearbox and driveline the same. No forced induction.
LeMans. As WRC
Touring Car. As WRC but bodyshell must be as showroom

And that is why I have no interest in F1, WRC or Touring Cars.

sorry but I just dont find 300bhp front wheel drive race cars exciting - my BMW M5 has more power !!!!
F1 is dead in the water too and has been for years

Give me DTM and 600bhp cars or Rally X every time

As per my first comment, no reason from my rules why they couldn't use your M5 engine and drivetrain etc in touring car. It would do exactly what it should in that the manufacturers making the best road cars might actually win something rather than being an object of handicap for being too good!

A Vauxhall Astra beating a 3 series FFS in BTCC!

[marcosgt]

Slaps forehead in disbelief...

You do know that the whole point of the touring car regs is to allow things like Daewoos and Astras to compete with 3 series, don't you?

You might argue that Vauxhall should build a car which is 'better' than the BMW and it would then win, but that would be such an anachronism in their range as to be pointless for them to develop (the car would, in a totally even world, need to be RWD to compete on the track) and therefore the BTCC and WTCC would become the BMW 3-series one make series.

Unless of course you're suggesting a Group 5 like series where the outline of the car remains, but everything else is replaced. I can't think of a single series where that ever really succeeded in producing good racing or packed fields, although Group 5 did deliver some rather nice motors.

Personally I like the 2 litre formula (especially in its BTCC guise), where crappy stock motors can be modded enough to compete with superior (in standard guise) cars, but nothing's allowed to dominate due to money or an inherently better design (in the WTCC, the diesel SEATs seem to have too much power/torque for a fair fight).

BTW, a BMW driver won the BTCC this year, despite Vauxhall's rather DTM like practices in the final round - JUSTICE!

M.

Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 5th November 16:16

[aarondrs]

marcosgt said:

Slaps forehead in disbelief...

You do know that the whole point of the touring car regs is to allow things like Daewoos and Astras to compete with 3 series, don't you?

You might argue that Vauxhall should build a car which is 'better' than the BMW and it would then win, but that would be such an anachronism in their range as to be pointless for them to develop (the car would, in a totally even world, need to be RWD to compete on the track) and therefore the BTCC and WTCC would become the BMW 3-series one make series.

Unless of course you're suggesting a Group 5 like series where the outline of the car remains, but everything else is replaced. I can't think of a single series where that ever really succeeded in producing good racing or packed fields, although Group 5 did deliver some rather nice motors.

Personally I like the 2 litre formula (especially in its BTCC guise), where crappy stock motors can be modded enough to compete with superior (in standard guise) cars, but nothing's allowed to dominate due to money or an inherently better design (in the WTCC, the diesel SEATs seem to have too much power/torque for a fair fight).

BTW, a BMW driver won the BTCC this year, despite Vauxhall's rather DTM like practices in the final round - JUSTICE!

M.

Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 5th November 16:16

Without slapping my head in disbelief, of course I know that the regs are there to help poorer less able manufacturers (in sporting terms) compete. This is my point. Vauxhall/Toyota etc want their product associated with their racers without any real product link. I just want to see the best car win, not the best car that wasn't handicapped as much as it could have been to stop it winning.

I'll go for the two litre NA rule, so long as the block etc come from a road car on sale (and homologation to include sales of x,000 vehicles). But why should BMW be handicapped for being RWD. So what? If Vauxhall want to win races to have their products seen as being 'sporting' products then develop a car that truly is. If this is anachronism as far as their product is concerned dont go racing.