RE: Video: Toyota F1 Exit Opens New Doors

[marcosgt]

Go watch the BMW one make series then... There are loads of BMWs in that.

I just don't see your point - It's not as if the BMWs racing bear much relation to the cars you can buy to drive on the road...

M.

[aarondrs]

marcosgt said:

Go watch the BMW one make series then... There are loads of BMWs in that.

I just don't see your point - It's not as if the BMWs racing bear much relation to the cars you can buy to drive on the road...

M.

No, not now but it would. That's my point again.

[marcosgt]

Well, we've strayed far off topic

I kind of see what your idea is, but I've never seen a series where it didn't just turn into a dull one make affair.

BTCC was fun when everyone had Sierra Cosworths, but you wouldn't let them in anyway

M.

Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 5th November 16:39

[aarondrs]

Indeed we have and I'm forever making the same point whenever the subject comes up (not that it did!)

[rypt]

marcosgt said:

rypt said:

Whatever the reason, they still banned it.
So I'm not sure how the whole "Le Mans with alternative powertrains" would work, given how they have no problem banning alternative powertrains.

Err, but Le Mans DIDN'T, the FIA did...

M.

Le Mans does not have to be run under an FIA mandate

[rypt]

marcosgt said:

Slaps forehead in disbelief...

You do know that the whole point of the touring car regs is to allow things like Daewoos and Astras to compete with 3 series, don't you?

You might argue that Vauxhall should build a car which is 'better' than the BMW and it would then win, but that would be such an anachronism in their range as to be pointless for them to develop (the car would, in a totally even world, need to be RWD to compete on the track) and therefore the BTCC and WTCC would become the BMW 3-series one make series.

Unless of course you're suggesting a Group 5 like series where the outline of the car remains, but everything else is replaced. I can't think of a single series where that ever really succeeded in producing good racing or packed fields, although Group 5 did deliver some rather nice motors.

Surely the best way to run it is as either Group N or Group A (either NA or Turbo) but no AWD?
If a manufacturer wants the cred/"kudos" for winning in a racing series, they should first build a production car that is good enough to be in the racing series.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 5th November 18:20

[GrahamG]

rypt said:

marcosgt said:

rypt said:

Whatever the reason, they still banned it.
So I'm not sure how the whole "Le Mans with alternative powertrains" would work, given how they have no problem banning alternative powertrains.

Err, but Le Mans DIDN'T, the FIA did...

M.

Le Mans does not have to be run under an FIA mandate

But it wouldn't get much by way of manufacturer interest if it wasn't

[rypt]

GrahamG said:

rypt said:

marcosgt said:

rypt said:

Whatever the reason, they still banned it.
So I'm not sure how the whole "Le Mans with alternative powertrains" would work, given how they have no problem banning alternative powertrains.

Err, but Le Mans DIDN'T, the FIA did...

M.

Le Mans does not have to be run under an FIA mandate

But it wouldn't get much by way of manufacturer interest if it wasn't

24hr de Le Mans has no FIA sanction afaik, just the normal Le Mans races do.
(I think, right?)

Either way, most manufacturers wont care about FIA mandates.

Edited by rypt on Thursday 5th November 19:22

[PapaHett]

havard01 said:

Rallying is arguably what Toyota were most successful at, they should have pulled the plug on F1 years ago, saved themselves some money and won some more World Rally Championships instead.

Come on Toyota, build a new WRC car!!!

They seem to have these going in Auz:

[Hellbound]

Sure we've digressed a little but already the regulation mongers have moved in and quenched any possibility of a jungle war type series where the best machine wins.

Tut tut, what have we become...