200mph and front wheel drive? I presume its been done?
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Calibra, converted to Saab 2.3 Power, tuned appropriately would be a good start.
The problem is, bigger engines that produce massive power dont generally fit in FWD engine bays which are typically in smaller cars, you can re-engineer them to fit but it ends up being RWD if you are going to all that trouble, otherwise its massively boosted 2.0 fours.
The problem is, bigger engines that produce massive power dont generally fit in FWD engine bays which are typically in smaller cars, you can re-engineer them to fit but it ends up being RWD if you are going to all that trouble, otherwise its massively boosted 2.0 fours.
Sunny's 178 Fiesta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdi1wgMADo8
The engine is by one Ian Howell of Area Six, this was a Zetec based engine, he went on to develop a Duratec turbo with far more power!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdi1wgMADo8
The engine is by one Ian Howell of Area Six, this was a Zetec based engine, he went on to develop a Duratec turbo with far more power!
marcosgt said:
Plenty of production cars do 200MPH+ now, I don't think you need 650+ BHP to achieve it.
M.
In the States I agree but not in the UKM.
Edited by marcosgt on Friday 18th December 10:20
Its about distance taken to do it. so many on here have no idea most of those 200mph Supercars would only run 180 in the longest available straight in the UK.
The guy in the RX7 wants to do it at Vmax not at Narda a totally different ball game.
Want an example a Sierra in the States reached 211mph with 590bhp but took a tad over 5miles to reach it. In the UK 210.2 was reached but required 860bhp cos we only have a maximum 1.7 mile straight in the UK.
Yes, MGF = RWD. But I just found this :
Wiki says :
"A production Dodge Neon SRT-4 from RaceDeck Racing broke the land speed record for its class at Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah on August 16, 2006. The record was set at 221mph average speed for both runs on the five mile course. This is the current record for a front-wheel drive vehicle.[5] "
Wiki says :
"A production Dodge Neon SRT-4 from RaceDeck Racing broke the land speed record for its class at Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah on August 16, 2006. The record was set at 221mph average speed for both runs on the five mile course. This is the current record for a front-wheel drive vehicle.[5] "
There is 200mph corolla, but alas it is 4wd. Nice sleeper though http://www.fensport.co.uk/fensportcarsfiles/Fenspo...
As an ex-owner of a Fiat Coupé Turbo, I've been hanging around their forum for a number of years. A couple of years back, there was a guy in South Africa working on a project to get 200mph out of a Coupe and had seen a recorded 180, but then he disappeared. There are some Coupes on the continent that are quicker, but are running 4WD, not the original FWD. The Coupe is very good aerodynamically.
I believe the biggest power FWD Fiat Coupes in the UK running 500+ bhp are cracking 170-180. They always do well at the TOTB, all are daily drivers and perform well on the handling circuit.
I believe the biggest power FWD Fiat Coupes in the UK running 500+ bhp are cracking 170-180. They always do well at the TOTB, all are daily drivers and perform well on the handling circuit.
Edited by Highway Star on Friday 18th December 16:21
This guy is running a 600bhp FTO that will do an 11 sec 1/4 mile.
http://www.mitsubishi-fto.net/index.htm
I imagine that has a fairly high theoretical high top speed although at the moment it's geared for drag racing so likely wouldn't get to 200mph. It's probably possible though and I expect the car is fairly aerodynamic compared to civics/focus etc?
http://www.mitsubishi-fto.net/index.htm
I imagine that has a fairly high theoretical high top speed although at the moment it's geared for drag racing so likely wouldn't get to 200mph. It's probably possible though and I expect the car is fairly aerodynamic compared to civics/focus etc?
Funny people still think of the Calibra as being particularly aerodynamic - coefficient of drag was 0.26 for the 2.0i 8v and 0.30 for the 16v and turbo - today those are good figures but not remarkable figures. A Vauxhall Insignia is 0.27, an Audi A4 is .29, Pius is .26, Ins
te is .28, etc. Frontal area is good for the Calibra, though.
te is .28, etc. Frontal area is good for the Calibra, though.J4CKO said:
Calibra, converted to Saab 2.3 Power, tuned appropriately would be a good start.
The problem is, bigger engines that produce massive power dont generally fit in FWD engine bays which are typically in smaller cars, you can re-engineer them to fit but it ends up being RWD if you are going to all that trouble, otherwise its massively boosted 2.0 fours.
There are exceptions though. There were a couple of Oldsmobile Toranados on eBay recently. 7.5 litre big blocks and FWD!The problem is, bigger engines that produce massive power dont generally fit in FWD engine bays which are typically in smaller cars, you can re-engineer them to fit but it ends up being RWD if you are going to all that trouble, otherwise its massively boosted 2.0 fours.
bigfatnick said:
The new focus rs supposedly does 173mph iirc, and it cant be particularly aerodynamic with all that fibreglass hanging off it.
I can't imagine that stuff being Fibreglass, nor can I imagine that they'd just throw on random parts.. I'd say the splitter, spoiler etc actually do something.otolith said:
Funny people still think of the Calibra as being particularly aerodynamic - coefficient of drag was 0.26 for the 2.0i 8v and 0.30 for the 16v and turbo - today those are good figures but not remarkable figures. A Vauxhall Insignia is 0.27, an Audi A4 is .29, Pius is .26, Inste is .28, etc. Frontal area is good for the Calibra, though.
Drag coefficient means nothing without frontal area.te is .28, etc. Frontal area is good for the Calibra, though.The Calibra still has great CdA, but the mk1 Insight is better. If I was looking to build a 200mph fwd car I would use one of these, stick something like a K23A1 (turbo one from an Acura, 240hp) or K20A or maybe an F series.
If you can throw enough power at it, the aerodynamics aren't really an issue, we've taken the Victor to 223Mph @ Brunters with very limited use of the throttle (a case of too much power and not enough grip).. Admittedly the car has got circa 2300Hp and that was rev/gear limited...
OK, so that's an RWD car, but the theory still stands true for an FWD car, enough power and gearing to reach the target and you're good to go..
OK, so that's an RWD car, but the theory still stands true for an FWD car, enough power and gearing to reach the target and you're good to go..
Slinky said:
If you can throw enough power at it, the aerodynamics aren't really an issue, we've taken the Victor to 223Mph @ Brunters with very limited use of the throttle (a case of too much power and not enough grip).. Admittedly the car has got circa 2300Hp and that was rev/gear limited...
OK, so that's an RWD car, but the theory still stands true for an FWD car, enough power and gearing to reach the target and you're good to go..
Hmm, I still think getting an Insight to 200 would be cheaper/easier than building a reliable 2000+ bhp engine.OK, so that's an RWD car, but the theory still stands true for an FWD car, enough power and gearing to reach the target and you're good to go..
Slinky said:
If you can throw enough power at it, the aerodynamics aren't really an issue, we've taken the Victor to 223Mph @ Brunters with very limited use of the throttle (a case of too much power and not enough grip).. Admittedly the car has got circa 2300Hp and that was rev/gear limited...
OK, so that's an RWD car, but the theory still stands true for an FWD car, enough power and gearing to reach the target and you're good to go..
I'd say that proves aero is one of the most, if not the most potent enemy of speed.OK, so that's an RWD car, but the theory still stands true for an FWD car, enough power and gearing to reach the target and you're good to go..
RT12s are doing 211 with 650bhp on a good day at Brunters.
Thats a massive power hike for a relatively small outright speed gain.
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