RE: Driven: BMW X6M

[robsti]

To try and get back on topic the M badge on most BMWs are just a top of the range designation and not motorsport!To much leather to many seats to many electric motors.The M3 csl was probably the last true Motorsport but still not a Porsche RS!

[Zod]

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

[robsti]

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

[heebeegeetee]

robsti said:

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 30th December 00:45

You take yourself very seriously dont you?The Cayman is a better handling car than the boxter!The Q5 is for a softroader is not wobbly in the slightest and if you would get off your high I am a racing driver horse for a moment you would find it wins most of the group tests!
I wont for a moment try and defend the riding dynamics of Harleys because they are total st but they do one thing better than most is hold there value!Previous bikes owned inclued GPZ900R, ZXR750RR, R1 so dont talk to me about lightness and power to weight ratio!
The definition of a gay car is one that makes the driver look like a girl not the car itself or how god it handles ie boxter,z4,mgf,slk,sl,206cc some of which are very good cars but classed as gay !imo.
Then the 645ci,It has been remaped to improve throtle response and adds anothere 30+ BHP.The z4 35i sDrive is only about 50kg lighter than the 645ci so if you plonk in a heavier v8 I doubt there will be a great weight saving! and I can take 4 people and there luggage in total comfort try that in your look at me gay car!
I am sorry if I offended you but I never slagged off your vehicles but if it makes you feel better about yourself and your cars to do it to others then so be it!

P.S As for the iconic Z4M coupe as you so call it! one off my mates got one of the first ones in the country who by the way raced Extremes ,Minis and carts sold it after 3 months because of the way it darted dangerously all over b roads which you would imagine would be its domain. Power is nothing without control!

Happy Newyear.

Doesn't this encapsulate a lot of what the 4x4 thing is all about though? For many, a car is about how it goes, what it does. But for another great many, the majority i dare say, a car is about how it makes you look.

Thus a great many don't care about dynamics or suitability for purpose, all that matters is how you look. Thus a great many men have to have something that makes them look tough and butch. For some reason.

Hence my post about football shirts. Some buy them to play football in, but most are now probably bought by those seeking to achieve a certain 'look', and these football shirts are now thought perfectly suitable to wear when appearing in court, or even at a childs funeral nowadays, it seems.

But I have 2 comments about this. When one buys a car for the 'look', who is supposed to be looking? Anyone that matters? And why do all the girls round where i live all seek to buy 4x4's, the bigger the better, and not sports cars? Round here the Q7s all seem to be driven by petite blonds.

So if i want to look like a girl, clearly i need a 4x4. I think you're out of touch, robsti.

[robsti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uytfHLwlw

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 23:35

[toppstuff]

I think people miss the point about the M brand in the modern world.

Lets be realistic. If M cars were all stripped out, lightweight, focused drivers cars there would be one, massive, impossible to ignore problem: BMW would not sell enough of them...

I suspect that BMW are using the M brand to market their top end models. And when people in global markets want the top of the range version, they expect all the toys. From Miami to Bahrain, Shanghai to Moscow, Jakarta to Bogota, the majority of buyers want a sporty car plus all the toys. That is the way it is I suspect and BMW know that. Those markets will love the X6M.

I wonder if perhaps the niche, low volume stuff that people here get all moist about, is likely to carry CSL badges in future, leaving M cars to sit neatly at the top of the BMW branding tree.

[heebeegeetee]

robsti said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uytfHLwlw

Boxster Cabrio? Will there be a Cayman Cabrio at some point?

Just shows the difference between marketing and reality though eh? As much as i'd love to believe that such gorgeous babes would flock round my Boxster, I'm still fat, bald and middle-aged, which is why i don't understand the need-to-be-seen thing.

I reckon if i applied the black tint to my windows and never got out of the car, i could pull with my Porsche.

[Zod]

robsti said:

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

ever seen an E30 M3 or an E28 M5? An M5 is never going to be an Atom.

And what the fk is the problem with satnav? It weighs two kg! The GT3 has satnav too.

[robsti]

Zod said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

ever seen an E30 M3 or an E28 M5? An M5 is never going to be an Atom.

And what the fk is the problem with satnav? It weighs two kg! The GT3 has satnav too.

I think you missed my point about M cars.They are not light weight motorsport cars they are the top of the range BMWs and the X6M is the top of the top of the range like it or loath it its what sells around the world!If I was buying an M car I would want all the creature comforts of a top of the range car because at the end of the day I would be buying a road car first and foremost and a Motorsport inspired car second!

[Johnpidge]

poo with 4 wheels - yuk and pointless!

[RobM77]

robsti said:

Zod said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

ever seen an E30 M3 or an E28 M5? An M5 is never going to be an Atom.

And what the fk is the problem with satnav? It weighs two kg! The GT3 has satnav too.

I think you missed my point about M cars.They are not light weight motorsport cars they are the top of the range BMWs and the X6M is the top of the top of the range like it or loath it its what sells around the world!If I was buying an M car I would want all the creature comforts of a top of the range car because at the end of the day I would be buying a road car first and foremost and a Motorsport inspired car second!

I shan't even bother to respond to your post above about your big diesel snail and the extremely loud moped, they're all the least PH vehicles I can think of, end of story (yes, they win group tests, not for PH or Evo etc, more likely "Saga Magazine" or "Hampshire Now!"); but let's deal with your comments on M cars - M cars are not top of the range BMWs, M cars are high performance BMWs. Yes you can spec comforts, nothing wrong with that, but they're designed for performance first and foremost.

Your other comment confused me too: since when did performance mean a car wasn't designed for the road, and comforts make it more suitable for the road?!! Most performance road cars are not designed with the track or racing in mind (everything from the NSX to the Mclaren F1 - none were designed with racing in mind at all), they were designed as performance road cars that are pleasing to drive for people like us, just like a BMW M car is nowadays. I understand that the days of M cars produced for homologation are over, but they're still performance cars! The very notion of a performance road car with four wheel drive, a near 2 tonne kerb weight and a whole load of ground clearance is just wrong. I saw an X6M yesterday (I work opposite a large BMW office) and yes, it's a bonkers thing and I'm glad cars like that exist these days, but it should not be produced before and in preference to a Z4M and a 1 series M; those cars have low CofGs and are smaller, and therefore have a more natural inclination to performance. BMW spending money on producing a "motorsport" version of the X5 is just ridiculous when they're not doing the same of their sports cars like the Z4. If you want comfort first and performance second, I'd reccomend you buy a car like the 645i (funny that!). If you're a driving enthusiast who wants comfort for everyday use then an M car would be suitable.

Edited by RobM77 on Saturday 9th January 14:24

[robsti]

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

ever seen an E30 M3 or an E28 M5? An M5 is never going to be an Atom.

And what the fk is the problem with satnav? It weighs two kg! The GT3 has satnav too.

I think you missed my point about M cars.They are not light weight motorsport cars they are the top of the range BMWs and the X6M is the top of the top of the range like it or loath it its what sells around the world!If I was buying an M car I would want all the creature comforts of a top of the range car because at the end of the day I would be buying a road car first and foremost and a Motorsport inspired car second!

I shan't even bother to respond to your post above about your big diesel snail and the extremely loud moped, they're all the least PH vehicles I can think of, end of story (yes, they win group tests, not for PH or Evo etc, more likely "Saga Magazine" or "Hampshire Now!"); but let's deal with your comments on M cars - M cars are not top of the range BMWs, M cars are high performance BMWs. Yes you can spec comforts, nothing wrong with that, but they're designed for performance first and foremost.

Your other comment confused me too: since when did performance mean a car wasn't designed for the road, and comforts make it more suitable for the road?!! Most performance road cars are not designed with the track or racing in mind (everything from the NSX to the Mclaren F1 - none were designed with racing in mind at all), they were designed as performance road cars that are pleasing to drive for people like us, just like a BMW M car is nowadays. I understand that the days of M cars produced for homologation are over, but they're still performance cars! The very notion of a performance road car with four wheel drive, a near 2 tonne kerb weight and a whole load of ground clearance is just wrong. I saw an X6M yesterday (I work opposite a large BMW office) and yes, it's a bonkers thing and I'm glad cars like that exist these days, but it should not be produced before and in preference to a Z4M and a 1 series M; those cars have low CofGs and are smaller, and therefore have a more natural inclination to performance. BMW spending money on producing a "motorsport" version of the X5 is just ridiculous when they're not doing the same of their sports cars like the Z4. If you want comfort first and performance second, I'd reccomend you buy a car like the 645i (funny that!). If you're a driving enthusiast who wants comfort for everyday use then an M car would be suitable.

Edited by RobM77 on Saturday 9th January 14:24

It`s no wonder you strugle to get your Celloin your non M car with the size of your fking head!

Edited by robsti on Sunday 10th January 14:31

[RobM77]

robsti said:

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

ever seen an E30 M3 or an E28 M5? An M5 is never going to be an Atom.

And what the fk is the problem with satnav? It weighs two kg! The GT3 has satnav too.

I think you missed my point about M cars.They are not light weight motorsport cars they are the top of the range BMWs and the X6M is the top of the top of the range like it or loath it its what sells around the world!If I was buying an M car I would want all the creature comforts of a top of the range car because at the end of the day I would be buying a road car first and foremost and a Motorsport inspired car second!

I shan't even bother to respond to your post above about your big diesel snail and the extremely loud moped, they're all the least PH vehicles I can think of, end of story (yes, they win group tests, not for PH or Evo etc, more likely "Saga Magazine" or "Hampshire Now!"); but let's deal with your comments on M cars - M cars are not top of the range BMWs, M cars are high performance BMWs. Yes you can spec comforts, nothing wrong with that, but they're designed for performance first and foremost.

Your other comment confused me too: since when did performance mean a car wasn't designed for the road, and comforts make it more suitable for the road?!! Most performance road cars are not designed with the track or racing in mind (everything from the NSX to the Mclaren F1 - none were designed with racing in mind at all), they were designed as performance road cars that are pleasing to drive for people like us, just like a BMW M car is nowadays. I understand that the days of M cars produced for homologation are over, but they're still performance cars! The very notion of a performance road car with four wheel drive, a near 2 tonne kerb weight and a whole load of ground clearance is just wrong. I saw an X6M yesterday (I work opposite a large BMW office) and yes, it's a bonkers thing and I'm glad cars like that exist these days, but it should not be produced before and in preference to a Z4M and a 1 series M; those cars have low CofGs and are smaller, and therefore have a more natural inclination to performance. BMW spending money on producing a "motorsport" version of the X5 is just ridiculous when they're not doing the same of their sports cars like the Z4. If you want comfort first and performance second, I'd reccomend you buy a car like the 645i (funny that!). If you're a driving enthusiast who wants comfort for everyday use then an M car would be suitable.

Edited by RobM77 on Saturday 9th January 14:24

It`s no wonder you strugle to get your Celloin your non M car with the size of your fking head!

Edited by robsti on Sunday 10th January 14:04

Random insults just make you sound like a ten year old bully, all my points above remain true. Nothing I've said above is in any way big headed, because I'm not talking about my cars, my abilities or anything related to me. By the way, my cello fits in my car just fine?! It's not a struggle; I bought the bloody car to carry it around! And my car's non M because I bought it as a cheap to run everyday practical car that was comfy on the motorway, fitted my cello etc. My Elise is my "driver's car".

We started this because you stated that a 400bhp V8 hard top only Z4M would be a "gay" car, and yet somehow an X6M isn't. Firstly, this is supposed to be a forum for petrolheads, and we've got someone like you saying that a 400bhp driver-focused rear drive coupé is "gay", and a big off roader is "not gay". That's the opinion of a 16 year old girl, and you're entitled to it, but please don't start insulting people if they disagree with you.

Edited by RobM77 on Sunday 10th January 14:33

[robsti]

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

ever seen an E30 M3 or an E28 M5? An M5 is never going to be an Atom.

And what the fk is the problem with satnav? It weighs two kg! The GT3 has satnav too.

I think you missed my point about M cars.They are not light weight motorsport cars they are the top of the range BMWs and the X6M is the top of the top of the range like it or loath it its what sells around the world!If I was buying an M car I would want all the creature comforts of a top of the range car because at the end of the day I would be buying a road car first and foremost and a Motorsport inspired car second!

I shan't even bother to respond to your post above about your big diesel snail and the extremely loud moped, they're all the least PH vehicles I can think of, end of story (yes, they win group tests, not for PH or Evo etc, more likely "Saga Magazine" or "Hampshire Now!"); but let's deal with your comments on M cars - M cars are not top of the range BMWs, M cars are high performance BMWs. Yes you can spec comforts, nothing wrong with that, but they're designed for performance first and foremost.

Your other comment confused me too: since when did performance mean a car wasn't designed for the road, and comforts make it more suitable for the road?!! Most performance road cars are not designed with the track or racing in mind (everything from the NSX to the Mclaren F1 - none were designed with racing in mind at all), they were designed as performance road cars that are pleasing to drive for people like us, just like a BMW M car is nowadays. I understand that the days of M cars produced for homologation are over, but they're still performance cars! The very notion of a performance road car with four wheel drive, a near 2 tonne kerb weight and a whole load of ground clearance is just wrong. I saw an X6M yesterday (I work opposite a large BMW office) and yes, it's a bonkers thing and I'm glad cars like that exist these days, but it should not be produced before and in preference to a Z4M and a 1 series M; those cars have low CofGs and are smaller, and therefore have a more natural inclination to performance. BMW spending money on producing a "motorsport" version of the X5 is just ridiculous when they're not doing the same of their sports cars like the Z4. If you want comfort first and performance second, I'd reccomend you buy a car like the 645i (funny that!). If you're a driving enthusiast who wants comfort for everyday use then an M car would be suitable.

Edited by RobM77 on Saturday 9th January 14:24

It`s no wonder you strugle to get your Celloin your non M car with the size of your fking head!

Edited by robsti on Sunday 10th January 14:04

Random insults just make you sound like a ten year old bully, all my points above remain true. Nothing I've said above is in any way big headed, because I'm not talking about my cars, my abilities or anything related to me. By the way, my cello fits in my car just fine?! It's not a struggle; I bought the bloody car to carry it around!

We started this because you stated that a 400bhp V8 hard top only Z4M would be a "gay" car, and yet somehow an X6M isn't. Firstly, this is supposed to be a forum for petrolheads, and we've got someone like you saying that a 400bhp driver-focused rear drive coupé is "gay", and a big off roader is "not gay". That's the opinion of a 16 year old girl, and you're entitled to it, but please don't start insulting people if they disagree with you.

Edited by RobM77 on Sunday 10th January 14:25

From the king of random insults about othere peoples vehicles that`s rich!I am not in any way championing the X6M and just because you get your panties in a bunch over a car you dont own and "BMW will have to bow to your superior wisdom" dont even make, makes you feel good about youself then I`am glad to be of some help!
If 16 year old girls are your thing at least you have got the right cars

[RobM77]

robsti said:

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

ever seen an E30 M3 or an E28 M5? An M5 is never going to be an Atom.

And what the fk is the problem with satnav? It weighs two kg! The GT3 has satnav too.

I think you missed my point about M cars.They are not light weight motorsport cars they are the top of the range BMWs and the X6M is the top of the top of the range like it or loath it its what sells around the world!If I was buying an M car I would want all the creature comforts of a top of the range car because at the end of the day I would be buying a road car first and foremost and a Motorsport inspired car second!

I shan't even bother to respond to your post above about your big diesel snail and the extremely loud moped, they're all the least PH vehicles I can think of, end of story (yes, they win group tests, not for PH or Evo etc, more likely "Saga Magazine" or "Hampshire Now!"); but let's deal with your comments on M cars - M cars are not top of the range BMWs, M cars are high performance BMWs. Yes you can spec comforts, nothing wrong with that, but they're designed for performance first and foremost.

Your other comment confused me too: since when did performance mean a car wasn't designed for the road, and comforts make it more suitable for the road?!! Most performance road cars are not designed with the track or racing in mind (everything from the NSX to the Mclaren F1 - none were designed with racing in mind at all), they were designed as performance road cars that are pleasing to drive for people like us, just like a BMW M car is nowadays. I understand that the days of M cars produced for homologation are over, but they're still performance cars! The very notion of a performance road car with four wheel drive, a near 2 tonne kerb weight and a whole load of ground clearance is just wrong. I saw an X6M yesterday (I work opposite a large BMW office) and yes, it's a bonkers thing and I'm glad cars like that exist these days, but it should not be produced before and in preference to a Z4M and a 1 series M; those cars have low CofGs and are smaller, and therefore have a more natural inclination to performance. BMW spending money on producing a "motorsport" version of the X5 is just ridiculous when they're not doing the same of their sports cars like the Z4. If you want comfort first and performance second, I'd reccomend you buy a car like the 645i (funny that!). If you're a driving enthusiast who wants comfort for everyday use then an M car would be suitable.

Edited by RobM77 on Saturday 9th January 14:24

It`s no wonder you strugle to get your Celloin your non M car with the size of your fking head!

Edited by robsti on Sunday 10th January 14:04

Random insults just make you sound like a ten year old bully, all my points above remain true. Nothing I've said above is in any way big headed, because I'm not talking about my cars, my abilities or anything related to me. By the way, my cello fits in my car just fine?! It's not a struggle; I bought the bloody car to carry it around!

We started this because you stated that a 400bhp V8 hard top only Z4M would be a "gay" car, and yet somehow an X6M isn't. Firstly, this is supposed to be a forum for petrolheads, and we've got someone like you saying that a 400bhp driver-focused rear drive coupé is "gay", and a big off roader is "not gay". That's the opinion of a 16 year old girl, and you're entitled to it, but please don't start insulting people if they disagree with you.

Edited by RobM77 on Sunday 10th January 14:25

From the king of random insults about othere peoples vehicles that`s rich!

By random I meant groundless and without meaning. I've not said anything big headed and you called me big headed. My cello fits in my car just fine, and you laugh about the fact that it doesn't?! Also, I made a perfectly rational post about cars (on a car forum!!) and you choose to swear at me and insult me. Those are groundless or "random" insults. You don't seem to be able to contribute properly to a discussion forum with anything of worth other than comments about which car is gay and which one isn't, and choose to just swear at people instead. Not only are you homophobic, but you're randomly swearing at people who are just trying to have a discussion about cars. That pretty much breaks every rule on here. I can only assume the mods are having a day off!

[robsti]

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

RobM77 said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

robsti said:

Zod said:

Don't be ridiculous, robski. The M5/M6 and M3 have completely bespoke Motorsport engines for the first time in M GmbH's history. They are obviously true M cars.

The engines yes!but when did you last see a motorspot car with all the seats, leather, electric everything, satnav ,cd changer but with some carbon trim to save weight!

Edited by robsti on Wednesday 30th December 22:48

ever seen an E30 M3 or an E28 M5? An M5 is never going to be an Atom.

And what the fk is the problem with satnav? It weighs two kg! The GT3 has satnav too.

I think you missed my point about M cars.They are not light weight motorsport cars they are the top of the range BMWs and the X6M is the top of the top of the range like it or loath it its what sells around the world!If I was buying an M car I would want all the creature comforts of a top of the range car because at the end of the day I would be buying a road car first and foremost and a Motorsport inspired car second!

I shan't even bother to respond to your post above about your big diesel snail and the extremely loud moped, they're all the least PH vehicles I can think of, end of story (yes, they win group tests, not for PH or Evo etc, more likely "Saga Magazine" or "Hampshire Now!"); but let's deal with your comments on M cars - M cars are not top of the range BMWs, M cars are high performance BMWs. Yes you can spec comforts, nothing wrong with that, but they're designed for performance first and foremost.

Your other comment confused me too: since when did performance mean a car wasn't designed for the road, and comforts make it more suitable for the road?!! Most performance road cars are not designed with the track or racing in mind (everything from the NSX to the Mclaren F1 - none were designed with racing in mind at all), they were designed as performance road cars that are pleasing to drive for people like us, just like a BMW M car is nowadays. I understand that the days of M cars produced for homologation are over, but they're still performance cars! The very notion of a performance road car with four wheel drive, a near 2 tonne kerb weight and a whole load of ground clearance is just wrong. I saw an X6M yesterday (I work opposite a large BMW office) and yes, it's a bonkers thing and I'm glad cars like that exist these days, but it should not be produced before and in preference to a Z4M and a 1 series M; those cars have low CofGs and are smaller, and therefore have a more natural inclination to performance. BMW spending money on producing a "motorsport" version of the X5 is just ridiculous when they're not doing the same of their sports cars like the Z4. If you want comfort first and performance second, I'd reccomend you buy a car like the 645i (funny that!). If you're a driving enthusiast who wants comfort for everyday use then an M car would be suitable.

Edited by RobM77 on Saturday 9th January 14:24

It`s no wonder you strugle to get your Celloin your non M car with the size of your fking head!

Edited by robsti on Sunday 10th January 14:04

Random insults just make you sound like a ten year old bully, all my points above remain true. Nothing I've said above is in any way big headed, because I'm not talking about my cars, my abilities or anything related to me. By the way, my cello fits in my car just fine?! It's not a struggle; I bought the bloody car to carry it around!

We started this because you stated that a 400bhp V8 hard top only Z4M would be a "gay" car, and yet somehow an X6M isn't. Firstly, this is supposed to be a forum for petrolheads, and we've got someone like you saying that a 400bhp driver-focused rear drive coupé is "gay", and a big off roader is "not gay". That's the opinion of a 16 year old girl, and you're entitled to it, but please don't start insulting people if they disagree with you.

Edited by RobM77 on Sunday 10th January 14:25

From the king of random insults about othere peoples vehicles that`s rich!

By random I meant groundless and without meaning. I've not said anything big headed and you called me big headed. My cello fits in my car just fine, and you laugh about the fact that it doesn't?! Also, I made a perfectly rational post about cars (on a car forum!!) and you choose to swear at me and insult me. Those are groundless or "random" insults. You don't seem to be able to contribute properly to a discussion forum with anything of worth other than comments about which car is gay and which one isn't, and choose to just swear at people instead. Not only are you homophobic, but you're randomly swearing at people who are just trying to have a discussion about cars. That pretty much breaks every rule on here. I can only assume the mods are having a day off!

Read back your own posts and see who started the insults?

Edited by robsti on Sunday 10th January 15:10

[Lost soul]

Roberty said:

WHY?

why not , i love it

[Robert060379]

"However much you polish a turd it's still a turd".

[Lost soul]

[quote=Robert060379]"However much you polish a turd it's still a turd".[/quote

How original ,, thanks for your input

[RobM77]

Lost soul said:

Robert060379 said:

"However much you polish a turd it's still a turd".

How original ,, thanks for your input

Just what is happening to Pistonheads over the last few weeks? People saying that they'd rather see an X6M because a hard top Z4M with the M3's 400bhp V8 would be "gay", and then when anyone dares to differ they get sworn at; and then on another thread someone has declared that someone with £10k should be a Z3M coupé because "Boxsters are ghey", not because the steering feel's better, or it's more reliable, or faster, more beautiful, or handles better etc, but because a Boxster is "ghey". Where have all the car enthusiasts gone? the literate and intelligent people whose posts I enjoy reading like heebeegee, twincam16, jackal, etc etc?? Everyone on here these days seem to be purely interested in how macho/gay they look in their cars, or how many toys it's got, and then contribute to threads with the language of an under-achieving schoolkid. Such a shame.