RE: Tesla: Charging Anxiety Is 'For The Weak'
Discussion
NoelWatson said:
[quote=ctallchris It's much quicker at the legal side of 60 than most cars (3.7s is comparable to the claimed 0-60 time of a ferrari F50)
But that is a claimed number for the Tesla5 secs according to Autocar
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/RoadTestsData/...
Does it really only do the 1/4 in 18.5 seconds!?
Marf said:
NoelWatson said:
[quote=ctallchris It's much quicker at the legal side of 60 than most cars (3.7s is comparable to the claimed 0-60 time of a ferrari F50)
But that is a claimed number for the Tesla5 secs according to Autocar
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/RoadTestsData/...
Does it really only do the 1/4 in 18.5 seconds!?
cazzer said:
Everyone ignore the issue of where the hell yer gonna plug one of these things in to charge it.
Great if you have a garage.
But if you dont?
There are a lot of terraced houses round here? Are we talkin running a 4 gang out of yer living room window?
What if you live on the 15th floor of a block of flats?
Even more pertinant, a lot of new housing estates have been built with no parkin provision (to try and get people to use public transport). So these people, if they have a car, can't park it anywhere near their house.
I should think if you can't charge it anywhere, then you wouldn't buy one.Great if you have a garage.
But if you dont?
There are a lot of terraced houses round here? Are we talkin running a 4 gang out of yer living room window?
What if you live on the 15th floor of a block of flats?
Even more pertinant, a lot of new housing estates have been built with no parkin provision (to try and get people to use public transport). So these people, if they have a car, can't park it anywhere near their house.
Maybe in the future when they're more common, the government will invest in public roadside charging points, or something.
NoelWatson said:
Marf said:
NoelWatson said:
[quote=ctallchris It's much quicker at the legal side of 60 than most cars (3.7s is comparable to the claimed 0-60 time of a ferrari F50)
But that is a claimed number for the Tesla5 secs according to Autocar
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/RoadTestsData/...
Does it really only do the 1/4 in 18.5 seconds!?
http://green.autoblog.com/2009/08/10/video-tesla-r...
Edited by STOWE on Monday 11th January 17:27
die fahrt said:
cazzer said:
Everyone ignore the issue of where the hell yer gonna plug one of these things in to charge it.
Great if you have a garage.
But if you dont?
There are a lot of terraced houses round here? Are we talkin running a 4 gang out of yer living room window?
What if you live on the 15th floor of a block of flats?
Even more pertinant, a lot of new housing estates have been built with no parkin provision (to try and get people to use public transport). So these people, if they have a car, can't park it anywhere near their house.
I should think if you can't charge it anywhere, then you wouldn't buy one.Great if you have a garage.
But if you dont?
There are a lot of terraced houses round here? Are we talkin running a 4 gang out of yer living room window?
What if you live on the 15th floor of a block of flats?
Even more pertinant, a lot of new housing estates have been built with no parkin provision (to try and get people to use public transport). So these people, if they have a car, can't park it anywhere near their house.
Maybe in the future when they're more common, the government will invest in public roadside charging points, or something.
Dream on.
STOWE said:
NoelWatson said:
Marf said:
NoelWatson said:
[quote=ctallchris It's much quicker at the legal side of 60 than most cars (3.7s is comparable to the claimed 0-60 time of a ferrari F50)
But that is a claimed number for the Tesla5 secs according to Autocar
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/RoadTestsData/...
Does it really only do the 1/4 in 18.5 seconds!?
http://green.autoblog.com/2009/08/10/video-tesla-r...
Edited by STOWE on Monday 11th January 17:27
cazzer said:
die fahrt said:
cazzer said:
Everyone ignore the issue of where the hell yer gonna plug one of these things in to charge it.
Great if you have a garage.
But if you dont?
There are a lot of terraced houses round here? Are we talkin running a 4 gang out of yer living room window?
What if you live on the 15th floor of a block of flats?
Even more pertinant, a lot of new housing estates have been built with no parkin provision (to try and get people to use public transport). So these people, if they have a car, can't park it anywhere near their house.
I should think if you can't charge it anywhere, then you wouldn't buy one.Great if you have a garage.
But if you dont?
There are a lot of terraced houses round here? Are we talkin running a 4 gang out of yer living room window?
What if you live on the 15th floor of a block of flats?
Even more pertinant, a lot of new housing estates have been built with no parkin provision (to try and get people to use public transport). So these people, if they have a car, can't park it anywhere near their house.
Maybe in the future when they're more common, the government will invest in public roadside charging points, or something.
Dream on.
This really is a b
ks press release.It would have taken them at least to weeks with every stop planned to be in a suitable recharging location for the required amount of time before it could go on to its next stop.
Given the asking price for the car Range anxiety is for the weak-in-the-head who buy a Tesla.
ANY other car could have done the trim non-stop given 18drivers to share the driving with.
Hell you can cycle across America faster and greener
Solo racers finish in 9 to 12 days, averaging 250 to 350 miles per day!
http://www.raceacrossamerica.org/raam/raam2.php?N_...
ctallchris said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
IMO the price of Tesla clearly identifies the car as suitable only for the "terminally" stupid.
Not realy - it's cheaper than an XKR as a company car due to low tax. It's much quicker at the legal side of 60 than most cars (3.7s is comparable to the claimed 0-60 time of a ferrari F50) at 109k it is pretty cheap. plus 220 miles of range is a good 4 hours drive check your average speed on your commute I travel 20 miles on the M3 and it takes me the best part of 30 minutes most days. I like to stop well before i have driven for 4 hours. Generally to have a meal and complain about having to drive all the time.NoelWatson said:
ctallchris said:
It's much quicker at the legal side of 60 than most cars (3.7s is comparable to the claimed 0-60 time of a ferrari F50)
But that is a claimed number for the Tesla5 secs according to Autocar
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/RoadTestsData/...
Edited by NoelWatson on Monday 11th January 16:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz23RaVtdqI
GW65 said:
ctallchris said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
IMO the price of Tesla clearly identifies the car as suitable only for the "terminally" stupid.
Not realy - it's cheaper than an XKR as a company car due to low tax. It's much quicker at the legal side of 60 than most cars (3.7s is comparable to the claimed 0-60 time of a ferrari F50) at 109k it is pretty cheap. plus 220 miles of range is a good 4 hours drive check your average speed on your commute I travel 20 miles on the M3 and it takes me the best part of 30 minutes most days. I like to stop well before i have driven for 4 hours. Generally to have a meal and complain about having to drive all the time.
What about the hydrogen fuel cell?
At first glance the Tesla trial appears impressive but only if there was no alternative to the flawed battery route with all its real-life limitations of weight, range, and charge time.
If, like me, you saw the Top Gear program that featured the Honda hydrogen fuel cell cars on trial in California, you might wonder why the industry and our government seem hell-bent on driving us down Electric Avenue? TG thought the hydrogen fuel cell was the greatest advance since the invention of the internal combustion engine, and from what I saw I wouldn't argue. The hydrogen car only emits H20, it can be refuelled instantly just like a petrol/diesel car so range and charging times aren't an issue, and it doesn't have to lug around 0.5 ton of batteries. Sure the infrastructure and production of hydrogen would take some doing but perhaps no more so than all those charging points. L-ion batteries still won't get me from Kent to Yorkshire [approx 300 miles] in one hop at m-way speeds, and would require a recharge of hours en-route. I recollect that TG's Tesla coasted to a halt after a lot less than 200 miles of admittedly enthusiastic driving - how long to re-charge?
Or is it all part of a sinister plan to drive us out of our cars for long journeys?
In my experience all rechargeable batteries degrade, and their ability to retain a charge diminishes at a geometric rate - anyone factored in the environmental impact of replacing 0.5 ton of batteries on a regular basis? [for millions of cars!] They won't be cheap either. I think it was Fifth Gear that tested an electric Smart and its batteries partially discharged themselves over-night!
There seems to have been no recent media coverage of the Honda hydrogen fuel cell trial in California, anyone know what's happening over there?
At first glance the Tesla trial appears impressive but only if there was no alternative to the flawed battery route with all its real-life limitations of weight, range, and charge time.
If, like me, you saw the Top Gear program that featured the Honda hydrogen fuel cell cars on trial in California, you might wonder why the industry and our government seem hell-bent on driving us down Electric Avenue? TG thought the hydrogen fuel cell was the greatest advance since the invention of the internal combustion engine, and from what I saw I wouldn't argue. The hydrogen car only emits H20, it can be refuelled instantly just like a petrol/diesel car so range and charging times aren't an issue, and it doesn't have to lug around 0.5 ton of batteries. Sure the infrastructure and production of hydrogen would take some doing but perhaps no more so than all those charging points. L-ion batteries still won't get me from Kent to Yorkshire [approx 300 miles] in one hop at m-way speeds, and would require a recharge of hours en-route. I recollect that TG's Tesla coasted to a halt after a lot less than 200 miles of admittedly enthusiastic driving - how long to re-charge?
Or is it all part of a sinister plan to drive us out of our cars for long journeys?
In my experience all rechargeable batteries degrade, and their ability to retain a charge diminishes at a geometric rate - anyone factored in the environmental impact of replacing 0.5 ton of batteries on a regular basis? [for millions of cars!] They won't be cheap either. I think it was Fifth Gear that tested an electric Smart and its batteries partially discharged themselves over-night!
There seems to have been no recent media coverage of the Honda hydrogen fuel cell trial in California, anyone know what's happening over there?
kambites said:
halcyongriff500 said:
When Clarkson asked Boris Johnson where the electricity came from - his reply was 'Out of the plug'! So now we know.
TBH I don't know what's involved in the production of hydrogen - anyone care to enlighten us?
Some water and a hell of a lot of energy. TBH I don't know what's involved in the production of hydrogen - anyone care to enlighten us?
Zap the water with the electricity to separate it into H2 and O2.Daniel1 said:
sanctum said:
Now if we had any hard evidence that atmospheric CO2 increase causes Global temperature rise I'd be much more interested in the "what's my carbon footprint" thing. But as we only have evidence (and strong evidence at that) to show that global temperature rise causes atmospheric CO2 increase, then I'll pass on the whole debate.
What is good news is that the Tesla equates to a 120mpg supercar with 0-60 times of around 3.7 seconds. That's something to talk about.
The advance of battery technology for vehicles is also great news. It takes mass market products to drive productionisation of new technologies such as the fast charging battery cells and alternatives to Li-ion such as Li-iron, which hold a greater % of their charge over their life.
The electric vehicle market is a very interesting phenomenon, but not because of the vehicles, because of the technological advances it is bringing to all areas.
what does that mean?What is good news is that the Tesla equates to a 120mpg supercar with 0-60 times of around 3.7 seconds. That's something to talk about.
The advance of battery technology for vehicles is also great news. It takes mass market products to drive productionisation of new technologies such as the fast charging battery cells and alternatives to Li-ion such as Li-iron, which hold a greater % of their charge over their life.
The electric vehicle market is a very interesting phenomenon, but not because of the vehicles, because of the technological advances it is bringing to all areas.
ETA
I know what youre getting at. Its a sort of 'discover things along the way' sort of attitude. That perticuler thought doesnt bother me except there are plenty of other industries that can spend the time looking into battery power. All we'll learn along the way is that they are not suitable for cars. Spending money on hydrogen and its subsiduries would be better places for the car industry to spend its R&D money imo, although im only a regular punter and not anybody qualified.
Edited by Daniel1 on Monday 11th January 16:53
You need a ton of energy to get the hydrogen.
It's really hard to transport.
We would need a whole new infrastructure costing billions.
Fuel cell cars need batteries too.
etc
halcyongriff500 said:
What about the hydrogen fuel cell?
At first glance the Tesla trial appears impressive but only if there was no alternative to the flawed battery route with all its real-life limitations of weight, range, and charge time.
If, like me, you saw the Top Gear program that featured the Honda hydrogen fuel cell cars on trial in California, you might wonder why the industry and our government seem hell-bent on driving us down Electric Avenue? TG thought the hydrogen fuel cell was the greatest advance since the invention of the internal combustion engine, and from what I saw I wouldn't argue. The hydrogen car only emits H20, it can be refuelled instantly just like a petrol/diesel car so range and charging times aren't an issue, and it doesn't have to lug around 0.5 ton of batteries. Sure the infrastructure and production of hydrogen would take some doing but perhaps no more so than all those charging points. L-ion batteries still won't get me from Kent to Yorkshire [approx 300 miles] in one hop at m-way speeds, and would require a recharge of hours en-route. I recollect that TG's Tesla coasted to a halt after a lot less than 200 miles of admittedly enthusiastic driving - how long to re-charge?
Or is it all part of a sinister plan to drive us out of our cars for long journeys?
In my experience all rechargeable batteries degrade, and their ability to retain a charge diminishes at a geometric rate - anyone factored in the environmental impact of replacing 0.5 ton of batteries on a regular basis? [for millions of cars!] They won't be cheap either. I think it was Fifth Gear that tested an electric Smart and its batteries partially discharged themselves over-night!
There seems to have been no recent media coverage of the Honda hydrogen fuel cell trial in California, anyone know what's happening over there?
See above.At first glance the Tesla trial appears impressive but only if there was no alternative to the flawed battery route with all its real-life limitations of weight, range, and charge time.
If, like me, you saw the Top Gear program that featured the Honda hydrogen fuel cell cars on trial in California, you might wonder why the industry and our government seem hell-bent on driving us down Electric Avenue? TG thought the hydrogen fuel cell was the greatest advance since the invention of the internal combustion engine, and from what I saw I wouldn't argue. The hydrogen car only emits H20, it can be refuelled instantly just like a petrol/diesel car so range and charging times aren't an issue, and it doesn't have to lug around 0.5 ton of batteries. Sure the infrastructure and production of hydrogen would take some doing but perhaps no more so than all those charging points. L-ion batteries still won't get me from Kent to Yorkshire [approx 300 miles] in one hop at m-way speeds, and would require a recharge of hours en-route. I recollect that TG's Tesla coasted to a halt after a lot less than 200 miles of admittedly enthusiastic driving - how long to re-charge?
Or is it all part of a sinister plan to drive us out of our cars for long journeys?
In my experience all rechargeable batteries degrade, and their ability to retain a charge diminishes at a geometric rate - anyone factored in the environmental impact of replacing 0.5 ton of batteries on a regular basis? [for millions of cars!] They won't be cheap either. I think it was Fifth Gear that tested an electric Smart and its batteries partially discharged themselves over-night!
There seems to have been no recent media coverage of the Honda hydrogen fuel cell trial in California, anyone know what's happening over there?
XitUp said:
It shows. Hydrogen will never work. Go read up on it and don't listen to Top Gear.
You need a ton of energy to get the hydrogen.
It's really hard to transport.
We would need a whole new infrastructure costing billions.
Fuel cell cars need batteries too.
etc
Could you be any more patronising because im not too good with subtlety?You need a ton of energy to get the hydrogen.
It's really hard to transport.
We would need a whole new infrastructure costing billions.
Fuel cell cars need batteries too.
etc
One of the very few future energy sources for this species is hyrdogen (and its relative energy related concepts) which will, given time, be accessible. Even if not, we can still discover many other energy concepts along the way.
The infrastructure and associated transports are difficult but not impossible. Approach the late 19th century with the same concept as petrol and you get the same arguments. The difference is now we have the management, funding and exeperience of what is involved with making huge transport infrastructures.
And you cannot quote the exact workings of a hydrogen powered car since none of us can see the future, least we forget we are all supposed to be living on the moon, yet i struggle getting connected to the playstation network sometimes.
ETA
and billions is not a scary number. They spent $20 billion on a building in dubai for instance.
Edited by Daniel1 on Monday 11th January 20:16
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