RE: R8 Spyder To Cost £112k

[Johnpidge]

I'll have mine in black with black leather please!

[Loki660]

edinph said:

So, only me that thinks this is an unbalanced design? Ooooooops.

No, it does look odd with no roof and the colour...hmmm a lot to be desired I prefer silver.

[Tallbut Buxomly]

SCREWBOY said:

edinph said:

So, only me that thinks this is an unbalanced design? Ooooooops.

I love the R8 its stunning, but this looks a little arse heavy to me too, not bad but not even close to a Gallardo, 50 grand cheaper!! but not as pretty!

Agreed but i think thats simply due to the engine packaging and cooling requirements otherwise it would have a flatter rear deck.

[big dub]

Beirut Taxi said:

Any pics of it from the back?

[steelej]

nickpan said:

Podie said:

steelej said:

But 112 grand for an Audi, holy crap!

John.

I'm clearly missing something here...

There's always someone on here who has to moan about the price as if they're about to walk into the dealership tomorrow and buy one.

Of course £112k sounds expensive to the average Joe (me being one of them) but if you're in the financial position to actually buy one, £112k probably quite reasonable given the stunning car you're getting.

I agree with others - Targa version would be great!

It's not just about the badge or that fact that average Joe thinks 112k is expensive, it's to do with the ridiculous prices these main stream manufacturers are charging for cars, I don't think the R8 is "worth" 112k when you look at what you can get from the used Ferrari or Lamborghini market(and Audi owning Lambo is irrelevant, Fiat own Ferrari let's not forget), and anyone here who says they'd rather own an audi than a Ferrari or Lamborghini should have their user accounts banned from this site , If I was going to spend 112k tomorrow it would not be on a brand new Audi that's just madness, it's up there with 350k for a Lexus. In a year or two these will be in the used market at their correct price point and at that point I'm sure it'll be worth it.

I don't consider myself a badge snob, but the brand does play a part, Skoda, VW and Seat, all pretty much the same cars but at different price points. If Audi were to look at this thread they'd be rubbing their hands thinking we can charge these guys whatever we like and they'll just pay it....

I really think the people who are in a position to buy will think very long and hard about putting out 112k on this car. I know there are rich people around who could afford this easily but they're not daft.

John.

Edited by steelej on Monday 25th January 15:39

[Fire99]

It's not doing it for me. The R8, in all its guises, leaves me cold unfortunately. Next!

[markoc]

Not as hot on the rear as the front 3/4 profile, probably a grower though. That said, I'm not a potential customer so it matters not. As has rightly been pointed out , it is a lot of car for 111k. It would be even better for 80K...

[SirClarke]

steelej said:

nickpan said:

Podie said:

steelej said:

But 112 grand for an Audi, holy crap!

John.

I'm clearly missing something here...

There's always someone on here who has to moan about the price as if they're about to walk into the dealership tomorrow and buy one.

Of course £112k sounds expensive to the average Joe (me being one of them) but if you're in the financial position to actually buy one, £112k probably quite reasonable given the stunning car you're getting.

I agree with others - Targa version would be great!

I don't think the R8 is "worth" 112k when you look at what you can get from the used Ferrari or Lamborghini market

Surely that quote could be changed to read the same for any new car though?

steelej said:

I don't think the r8 any new car is "worth" £112k it's rrp when you look at what you can get from the used Ferrari or Lamborghini car market

That post (in my opinion) does make you sound like a bit of a badge snob as well.

Personally I think the R8 looks like any other Audi and I wouldn't even consider one (should I ever be in a position to) when there are so many more interesting alternatives. Why they decided to make a supercar which looks so similar and takes so many Audi brand image, design cues from the rest of the range is beyond me.

The Lexus on the other hand looks great, sounds fantastic and by all accounts is exceptionally fast. Sadly it's also massively overpriced but they'll probably still sell them all.


Edited because I my sentences made no sense

Edited by SirClarke on Monday 25th January 17:13

[steelej]

SirClarke said:

That post (in my opinion) does make you sound like a bit of a badge snob as well.

Your post make a lot of sense, a lot of new cars aren't worth it, but at least with Ferrari and Lambo depreciation was minimal(up until the last 18months of course)

And if I was a real badge snob a few years back when I was looking at a Jag XKR or an Aston V8 Vantage I wouldn't have bought the XKR

But like I said, the Brand is a factor in any buying decision so it has to be taken into account when something is priced or something is bought, I think Audi are a bit deluded with this one.

John.

[NotNormal]

Stunning, for me the sideblades never really worked on the hardtop. Now there gone it really does make the overall package look very sweet indeed. Particularly like there solution for removing heat out the top of the engine bay whilst keeping the looks as well (I think - as saying that I do wonder when typing this where the roof is stored )

Whether your a badge snob or not you can't deny its a good looking car so as cars in this bracket are mostly an emotive decision that will certainly be in Audi's favour.

Edited by NotNormal on Monday 25th January 16:07

[Belfast Boy]

grahamr88 said:

I think I'll wait for the Skoda version...

Me too, at least it wont look like a stretched TT

[DMC2]

steelej said:

nickpan said:

Podie said:

steelej said:

But 112 grand for an Audi, holy crap!

John.

I'm clearly missing something here...

There's always someone on here who has to moan about the price as if they're about to walk into the dealership tomorrow and buy one.

Of course £112k sounds expensive to the average Joe (me being one of them) but if you're in the financial position to actually buy one, £112k probably quite reasonable given the stunning car you're getting.

I agree with others - Targa version would be great!

It's not just about the badge or that fact that average Joe thinks 112k is expensive, it's to do with the ridiculous prices these main stream manufacturers are charging for cars, I don't think the R8 is "worth" 112k when you look at what you can get from the used Ferrari or Lamborghini market(and Audi owning Lambo is irrelevant, Fiat own Ferrari let's not forget), and anyone here who says they'd rather own an audi than a Ferrari or Lamborghini should have their user accounts banned from this site , If I was going to spend 112k tomorrow it would not be on a brand new Audi that's just madness, it's up there with 350k for a Lexus. In a year or two these will be in the used market at their correct price point and at that point I'm sure it'll be worth it.

I don't consider myself a badge snob, but the brand does play a part, Skoda, VW and Seat, all pretty much the same cars but at different price points. If Audi were to look at this thread they'd be rubbing their hands thinking we can charge these guys whatever we like and they'll just pay it....

I really think the people who are in a position to buy will think very long and hard about putting out 112k on this car. I know there are rich people around who could afford this easily but they're not daft.

John.

Edited by steelej on Monday 25th January 15:39

Sorry. But comparing the cost of a new car to a second hand car is a bit daft. £112k for a new Audi, £160k for a new Lambo and £190 for a new Fezza.

Any new car looks expensive compared to something that is second hand. A three year old 430 Spyder is about 90k, this Audi in 3 years will cost about 60k.

[TheOrangePeril]

Podie said:

steelej said:

But 112 grand for an Audi, holy crap!

John.

I'm clearly missing something here...

Rather have Gallardo

[mikEsprit]

ScottishSamurai said:

Agreed, looks fantastic. glad they didn't try to keep the carbon panels as they would look akward on this!

I was just going to say that they should have figured out a way to integrate the panels because it is such a distinctive feature of the R8.

[Streetrod]

steelej said:

nickpan said:

Podie said:

steelej said:

But 112 grand for an Audi, holy crap!

John.

I'm clearly missing something here...

There's always someone on here who has to moan about the price as if they're about to walk into the dealership tomorrow and buy one.

Of course £112k sounds expensive to the average Joe (me being one of them) but if you're in the financial position to actually buy one, £112k probably quite reasonable given the stunning car you're getting.

I agree with others - Targa version would be great!

It's not just about the badge or that fact that average Joe thinks 112k is expensive, it's to do with the ridiculous prices these main stream manufacturers are charging for cars, I don't think the R8 is "worth" 112k when you look at what you can get from the used Ferrari or Lamborghini market(and Audi owning Lambo is irrelevant, Fiat own Ferrari let's not forget), and anyone here who says they'd rather own an audi than a Ferrari or Lamborghini should have their user accounts banned from this site , If I was going to spend 112k tomorrow it would not be on a brand new Audi that's just madness, it's up there with 350k for a Lexus. In a year or two these will be in the used market at their correct price point and at that point I'm sure it'll be worth it.

I don't consider myself a badge snob, but the brand does play a part, Skoda, VW and Seat, all pretty much the same cars but at different price points. If Audi were to look at this thread they'd be rubbing their hands thinking we can charge these guys whatever we like and they'll just pay it....

I really think the people who are in a position to buy will think very long and hard about putting out 112k on this car. I know there are rich people around who could afford this easily but they're not daft.

John.

Edited by steelej on Monday 25th January 15:39

John, I respect your opinion but would like to take you up on a couple of points.

First off you compare the price of a new R8 with a second hand Lambo or Ferrari, why? Why not compare with the new prices? If we all did that you could compare anything which makes no sense.

Remember that the Gallardo which is essentially an R8 underneath will cost you £60K more. And to imply that to buy the Audi over a Lambo or a Ferrari should get you banned is arrogance in the extreme.

Some of use do not want to own a current Lambo or a Ferrari as we prefer the looks and the way the R8 drives over these two alternatives. I also found in a back to back comparison that the R8 to be quicker from point A to B on the road .

Is the Spyder worth £111k? The answer would have to be yes considering how many have been preordered.

From my point of view a Lambo or Ferrari would be the predictable choice, I feel the R8 is the better choice

[Streetrod]

In case you guys are wondering what it looks like with the roof up...






Oh and my money is going on a Coupe in this colour:

[UH-Matt]

Drove an r8 (hard top) today and was rather underwhelmed, felt far too refined and quiet.... I would pay extra for a more raw experience, hence the r8 is not for me, nice looking car though.

[steelej]

Streetrod said:

John, I respect your opinion but would like to take you up on a couple of points.

First off you compare the price of a new R8 with a second hand Lambo or Ferrari, why? Why not compare with the new prices? If we all did that you could compare anything which makes no sense.

Remember that the Gallardo which is essentially an R8 underneath will cost you £60K more. And to imply that to buy the Audi over a Lambo or a Ferrari should get you banned is arrogance in the extreme.

Some of use do not want to own a current Lambo or a Ferrari as we prefer the looks and the way the R8 drives over these two alternatives. I also found in a back to back comparison that the R8 to be quicker from point A to B on the road .

Is the Spyder worth £111k? The answer would have to be yes considering how many have been preordered.

From my point of view a Lambo or Ferrari would be the predictable choice, I feel the R8 is the better choice

Hi Streetrod,

Te R8 isn't a Gallardo though no matter what people say is underneath, and when I'm comparing new to used prices it is relevant due to the fact that for 112k it opens up a whole world of other possibilities in very high end marques, an almost new(09)low miles 430 Spider can be had for 119k, obviously older is cheaper. I know what I'd rather have.

My comment about being banned was a joke, hence the smilie after the comment

From what I'm hearing here people are saying the Audi Brand is as prestigious as Ferrari, Lambo or Aston and commands a price point to suit, I do not believe that is the case. If this car was 80k it would be a great price point, at 112k it's just too much. When most people do look at the option of new Audi or lightly used Ferrari/Lambo/Aston most will go for the latter, not all but most.

John.

Edited by steelej on Monday 25th January 17:36

[SCREWBOY]

First roof up pictures i have seen, looks Damn nice but i still feel that roof down there is something not quite right about the design. It just some how does not quite work, still i would not be devastated if somebody gave me one!

[havoc]

steelej said:

SirClarke said:

That post (in my opinion) does make you sound like a bit of a badge snob as well.

Your post make a lot of sense, a lot of new cars aren't worth it, but at least with Ferrari and Lambo depreciation was minimal(up until the last 18months of course)

And if I was a real badge snob a few years back when I was looking at a Jag XKR or an Aston V8 Vantage I wouldn't have bought the XKR

But like I said, the Brand is a factor in any buying decision so it has to be taken into account when something is priced or something is bought, I think Audi are a bit deluded with this one.

John.

I wouldn't say Ferrari or Lambo depreciation is minimal - look at 575s or 612s! Or Simon George's Murci. As SOON as you start to put any significant miles on a Ferrari or Lambo (and I'm talking more than 3k p.a.), they plummet in value because "the market" (sic) wants low-milers.

I would suggest the R8 will behave more like the 911 historically has, in that it'll be tolerant of higher average mileages while still maintaining a decent %age.



As for your earlier comment about "buyers not being fools" - compare this with a £150k Gallardo. Even if the Gallardo retains 70% at 3 years and this 55% (extreme percentages, likely to be a lot closer together), they will both have cost £50k in depreciation. So there's no 'saving' by buying the more established supercar brand...