RE: New 911 Turbo S Revealed
Discussion
pajsh said:
A pointless exercise unless you are
A) Porsche who need/want to sell more cars and stay in business or
B) You have too much money and need to be one step above everyone else
I love the 911 it's beautiful and clever engineering but all supercars are pretty pointless as anything other than desirable objects. The clever engineering and performance are pure marketing features.
I drive a 3 series in the week on motorways and struggle to get over 70 mph.
I drive a kit car at the weekend and struggle to find decent bendy roads with no potholes that are free of cars that are driven at 40 mph.
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
+1A) Porsche who need/want to sell more cars and stay in business or
B) You have too much money and need to be one step above everyone else
I love the 911 it's beautiful and clever engineering but all supercars are pretty pointless as anything other than desirable objects. The clever engineering and performance are pure marketing features.
I drive a 3 series in the week on motorways and struggle to get over 70 mph.
I drive a kit car at the weekend and struggle to find decent bendy roads with no potholes that are free of cars that are driven at 40 mph.
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
There's only one country in Europe where you legally test out
the 0-200 kph on the public roads.
Elsewhere, it seems to me to be purely a vanity purchase.
Speed limits, police and other road users will see to that.
Lovely car, but it does scream more money than sense.
For the record, if you still want a 911, and you've taken
leave of your senses, then the Sunday Times Motoring
section always has a selection of used 911 at about GBP 40K.
For me, this is about as far as you need to go in motoring.
dcb said:
pajsh said:
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
+1There's only one country in Europe where you legally test out
the 0-200 kph on the public roads.
Elsewhere, it seems to me to be purely a vanity purchase.
Speed limits, police and other road users will see to that.
have either of you even driven a 911 turbo?
Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 10th February 18:53
dcb said:
pajsh said:
A pointless exercise unless you are
A) Porsche who need/want to sell more cars and stay in business or
B) You have too much money and need to be one step above everyone else
I love the 911 it's beautiful and clever engineering but all supercars are pretty pointless as anything other than desirable objects. The clever engineering and performance are pure marketing features.
I drive a 3 series in the week on motorways and struggle to get over 70 mph.
I drive a kit car at the weekend and struggle to find decent bendy roads with no potholes that are free of cars that are driven at 40 mph.
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
+1A) Porsche who need/want to sell more cars and stay in business or
B) You have too much money and need to be one step above everyone else
I love the 911 it's beautiful and clever engineering but all supercars are pretty pointless as anything other than desirable objects. The clever engineering and performance are pure marketing features.
I drive a 3 series in the week on motorways and struggle to get over 70 mph.
I drive a kit car at the weekend and struggle to find decent bendy roads with no potholes that are free of cars that are driven at 40 mph.
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
There's only one country in Europe where you legally test out
the 0-200 kph on the public roads.
Elsewhere, it seems to me to be purely a vanity purchase.
Speed limits, police and other road users will see to that.
Lovely car, but it does scream more money than sense.
For the record, if you still want a 911, and you've taken
leave of your senses, then the Sunday Times Motoring
section always has a selection of used 911 at about GBP 40K.
For me, this is about as far as you need to go in motoring.
... or is it to do with image?
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 10th February 18:55
Silver993tt said:
dcb said:
pajsh said:
A pointless exercise unless you are
A) Porsche who need/want to sell more cars and stay in business or
B) You have too much money and need to be one step above everyone else
I love the 911 it's beautiful and clever engineering but all supercars are pretty pointless as anything other than desirable objects. The clever engineering and performance are pure marketing features.
I drive a 3 series in the week on motorways and struggle to get over 70 mph.
I drive a kit car at the weekend and struggle to find decent bendy roads with no potholes that are free of cars that are driven at 40 mph.
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
+1A) Porsche who need/want to sell more cars and stay in business or
B) You have too much money and need to be one step above everyone else
I love the 911 it's beautiful and clever engineering but all supercars are pretty pointless as anything other than desirable objects. The clever engineering and performance are pure marketing features.
I drive a 3 series in the week on motorways and struggle to get over 70 mph.
I drive a kit car at the weekend and struggle to find decent bendy roads with no potholes that are free of cars that are driven at 40 mph.
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
There's only one country in Europe where you legally test out
the 0-200 kph on the public roads.
Elsewhere, it seems to me to be purely a vanity purchase.
Speed limits, police and other road users will see to that.
Lovely car, but it does scream more money than sense.
For the record, if you still want a 911, and you've taken
leave of your senses, then the Sunday Times Motoring
section always has a selection of used 911 at about GBP 40K.
For me, this is about as far as you need to go in motoring.
... or is it to do with image?
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 10th February 18:55
For me at least anything around 1300-1500kg with less than 200bhp feels painfully slow. 250-300bhp is acceptably driveable.
Silver993tt said:
why didn't you buy a 518 instead of a 530?
I like to spend a lot of time in Europe keeping up with traffic on the autobahn
- usually 130 mph easy cruise ability does it.
The 518 won't do that reasonably.
Silver993tt said:
530 totally unecessary in the UK with a speed limit of 70mph.
Total agreement there. If I was UK only, I'd bemad to get the 530.
Some of us live in the real world, not some fantasy world
where 300 bhp or more is actually useful on a day to day basis.
Still, full points in the Mad Jack McMad competition
to anyone in the UK who buys a new 911 for £120K.
The taxes and running costs on one are silly.
In the price / performance tradeoff, I think there
is a sweet spot in the middle, not at either end.
fbrs said:
dcb said:
pajsh said:
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
+1There's only one country in Europe where you legally test out
the 0-200 kph on the public roads.
Elsewhere, it seems to me to be purely a vanity purchase.
Speed limits, police and other road users will see to that.
have either of you even driven a 911 turbo?
Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 10th February 18:53
I know, what is going on here? You know, some folk buy 911 Turbos due to their utter drivability anywhere, anytime, track or street. A 911 Turbo is still a proper fast car on track. You don't have to have a GT3/RSR etc to have fun with a 911 on a track, you know. Plus, a turbo is much nicer day to day...
Vanity purchase?? FFS, we are talking of a 911 Turbo, not a Ferrari 360/430/458/599 or Lambo etc, etc!
dcb said:
Some of us live in the real world, not some fantasy world
where 300 bhp or more is actually useful on a day to day basis.
It's all relative.
Cars that go fast without trying are less appealing to plenty of people...
You could say a mk1 GT3 would have to be ragged to keep up with a 997 TTS, yeah, on a track. On the road an mk1 GT3 will still be bloody rapid for 95% of the time. Even ambling in 5th/6th on main roads it'll be pushing along most traffic within a few seconds!
I just don't get ALL that performance from an 'excitement' point of view, nor giving it an automatic bloody gearbox (like it needs it with all that torque)
It seems everything has become about numbers. I agree it always has done, but to be honest I've stopped counting.
No doubt the 998 will have 550bhp and 8 gear dsg with a 0-60 launch control of 2.5s that will make any fat or unhealthy owners red-out with the acceleration. So useful for public roads
Give me a GT3 any day for tooling about in, and an RS6 if I REALLY need an every day car that is comfy and also stupidly fast to the point you never go WOT.
Dave
Cars that go fast without trying are less appealing to plenty of people...
You could say a mk1 GT3 would have to be ragged to keep up with a 997 TTS, yeah, on a track. On the road an mk1 GT3 will still be bloody rapid for 95% of the time. Even ambling in 5th/6th on main roads it'll be pushing along most traffic within a few seconds!
I just don't get ALL that performance from an 'excitement' point of view, nor giving it an automatic bloody gearbox (like it needs it with all that torque)
It seems everything has become about numbers. I agree it always has done, but to be honest I've stopped counting.
No doubt the 998 will have 550bhp and 8 gear dsg with a 0-60 launch control of 2.5s that will make any fat or unhealthy owners red-out with the acceleration. So useful for public roads
Give me a GT3 any day for tooling about in, and an RS6 if I REALLY need an every day car that is comfy and also stupidly fast to the point you never go WOT.
Dave
Silver993tt said:
dcb said:
pajsh said:
A pointless exercise unless you are
A) Porsche who need/want to sell more cars and stay in business or
B) You have too much money and need to be one step above everyone else
I love the 911 it's beautiful and clever engineering but all supercars are pretty pointless as anything other than desirable objects. The clever engineering and performance are pure marketing features.
I drive a 3 series in the week on motorways and struggle to get over 70 mph.
I drive a kit car at the weekend and struggle to find decent bendy roads with no potholes that are free of cars that are driven at 40 mph.
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
+1A) Porsche who need/want to sell more cars and stay in business or
B) You have too much money and need to be one step above everyone else
I love the 911 it's beautiful and clever engineering but all supercars are pretty pointless as anything other than desirable objects. The clever engineering and performance are pure marketing features.
I drive a 3 series in the week on motorways and struggle to get over 70 mph.
I drive a kit car at the weekend and struggle to find decent bendy roads with no potholes that are free of cars that are driven at 40 mph.
Wonderful technology but if you can't use it, pointless.
There's only one country in Europe where you legally test out
the 0-200 kph on the public roads.
Elsewhere, it seems to me to be purely a vanity purchase.
Speed limits, police and other road users will see to that.
Lovely car, but it does scream more money than sense.
For the record, if you still want a 911, and you've taken
leave of your senses, then the Sunday Times Motoring
section always has a selection of used 911 at about GBP 40K.
For me, this is about as far as you need to go in motoring.
... or is it to do with image?
Edited by Silver993tt on Wednesday 10th February 18:55
dcb said:
Silver993tt said:
why didn't you buy a 518 instead of a 530?
Silver993tt said:
530 totally unecessary in the UK with a speed limit of 70mph.
Total agreement there. If I was UK only, I'd bemad to get the 530.
Some of us live in the real world, not some fantasy world
where 300 bhp or more is actually useful on a day to day basis.
Edited by Davey S2 on Wednesday 10th February 22:32
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From what I have read the GTR is utter reliable and there has been the odd scare story but in general they have proved to be very robust.
Alas my experiences of porsche turbos is somewhat different.My 996 tt was parked up in my garage and the engine caught on fire,the car was 1 month out of warranty and had 6000 mile son it,and you know what porsche did for me...nothing .( numerous 996 tt have done the same ,there is a fault on the car which porsche do not admit to.)
Muggins here then ordered a new 997tt when they came out,I had the car 8 months of which 5 months it was off the road with an electrical fault .Having left the car with Porsche Bolton to rectify whilst i holidayed for 4 weeks,I came back to find that not only had porsche sent the wrong wiring loom over,but the genius's at the porsche garage had no courtesy car for me to use.
I have had numerous porsches over the years,loved the 996tt and 997 carrera S (series 1) ,the 997 is a bit remote and lacks any character,a phenomenal car,but it just does not feel 100k's worth.Porsche have had me down at silverstone testing all their new models and I found them to far too diluted,punting a 997 c2s round the circuit ..all i wanted to do was jump in the r8.
The 997tt and gtr are both blunt instruments,they are amongst the very quickest roadf cars you can buy regardless of cost,but they are both a bit remote , and lacking a bit of character.That being said I would consider a gtr ,and were it not for porsche customer service I would probably still be driving a 997tt,although I am glad now I ended up with the audi.
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Frankie - Can you pls expand on the self-combusting 996tt's.... exactly what caused your fire ?? You say its happened to "numerous other 6tt's" but this is the first I've ever heard of this phenomina... and I know enough about the car !!
Feel free to PM me if you don't wanna thread hijack.
From what I have read the GTR is utter reliable and there has been the odd scare story but in general they have proved to be very robust.
Alas my experiences of porsche turbos is somewhat different.My 996 tt was parked up in my garage and the engine caught on fire,the car was 1 month out of warranty and had 6000 mile son it,and you know what porsche did for me...nothing .( numerous 996 tt have done the same ,there is a fault on the car which porsche do not admit to.)
Muggins here then ordered a new 997tt when they came out,I had the car 8 months of which 5 months it was off the road with an electrical fault .Having left the car with Porsche Bolton to rectify whilst i holidayed for 4 weeks,I came back to find that not only had porsche sent the wrong wiring loom over,but the genius's at the porsche garage had no courtesy car for me to use.
I have had numerous porsches over the years,loved the 996tt and 997 carrera S (series 1) ,the 997 is a bit remote and lacks any character,a phenomenal car,but it just does not feel 100k's worth.Porsche have had me down at silverstone testing all their new models and I found them to far too diluted,punting a 997 c2s round the circuit ..all i wanted to do was jump in the r8.
The 997tt and gtr are both blunt instruments,they are amongst the very quickest roadf cars you can buy regardless of cost,but they are both a bit remote , and lacking a bit of character.That being said I would consider a gtr ,and were it not for porsche customer service I would probably still be driving a 997tt,although I am glad now I ended up with the audi.
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Frankie - Can you pls expand on the self-combusting 996tt's.... exactly what caused your fire ?? You say its happened to "numerous other 6tt's" but this is the first I've ever heard of this phenomina... and I know enough about the car !!
Feel free to PM me if you don't wanna thread hijack.
Always amazes me how many people slate PORSCHE AND FERRARI on here, its beautifully built no doubt, shatteringly fast, and looks pretty horny to me. whats not to like??? This is supposed to be a car nuts website isnt it??? What is up with all the haters, i could not afford the wheel nuts on this thing, but i will still be a happy bunny when i eventually see one blast by. Everyone has different tastes i know, but allot of the comments seem just a little bitter. 
Edited by SCREWBOY on Wednesday 10th February 22:31
dcb said:
I like to spend a lot of time in Europe
keeping up with traffic on the autobahn
- usually 130 mph easy cruise ability does it.
Some of us live in the real world, not some fantasy world
where 300 bhp or more is actually useful on a day to day basis.
Galaxy Bob said:
The problem with this car is that it is an S.
When people ask what car you drive you will answer A 911 Turbo S.
To which they will reply, Turbo S? how is that different to a Turbo?
You will then go off on one explaining this, which you will, half way through they will have hanged themselves from the nearest light fitting.
yeah, i imagine that must be the biggest problem facing the owners of a £120K supercar, what a drag...When people ask what car you drive you will answer A 911 Turbo S.
To which they will reply, Turbo S? how is that different to a Turbo?
You will then go off on one explaining this, which you will, half way through they will have hanged themselves from the nearest light fitting.
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