RE: Last Post To Sound For Humvee
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beardiebloke said:
Are my maths wrong or does that work out as $467,914 per vehicle??? I hope they get free floor mats and a full tank with that.
These prices often include service and parts and the like, so it's a car plus a multi-year contract for maintenance, training, etc. Still, expensive as hell. It would be interesting to see whether this car can function anywhere other than a wide open desert environment in future engagements (such as small urban areas, serious off road conditions, dense jungle, etc.)
does that include fuel cost?
from: http://green.autoblog.com/2006/10/06/military-want...
" As a result, this is a vehicle that can be used as a general transport, but weighs 2.5 tons (or up to 5 tons if fully armored) but only carries 4 people in base configuration. Even with a diesel engine, the Humvee only gets 4 mpg in urban driving and 8 mpg on the highway. The US defense department spends over $10,000,000,000 a year on fuel cost alone and needs to find ways to reduce its dependence on oil."
If you have ever seen any of the US guys driving this thing in the field, you know why no one else is using it....
It gets stuck absolutely anywhere and everywhere, except on hard ground and with a fuel truck behind it.
from: http://green.autoblog.com/2006/10/06/military-want...
" As a result, this is a vehicle that can be used as a general transport, but weighs 2.5 tons (or up to 5 tons if fully armored) but only carries 4 people in base configuration. Even with a diesel engine, the Humvee only gets 4 mpg in urban driving and 8 mpg on the highway. The US defense department spends over $10,000,000,000 a year on fuel cost alone and needs to find ways to reduce its dependence on oil."
If you have ever seen any of the US guys driving this thing in the field, you know why no one else is using it....
It gets stuck absolutely anywhere and everywhere, except on hard ground and with a fuel truck behind it.
soad said:
beardiebloke said:
Are my maths wrong or does that work out as $467,914 per vehicle???
You're right (i make it a little under $470,000 apiece) about the price! They don't come cheap.I recall a few H1's that were street legal with a 502 cubic inch petrol V8 from the late 90's money boom. H1's have held their value relatively well here in the USA compared to similarly priced sports cars. I could swear I saw a isotope green forest fire H1 that was smaller than standard
There might be a market for a new well designed LM002. Look at those massive engined BMW and Audi suvs at the top of the range. One might want to look at Icon for ideas - icon4x4.com
A couple points...
- the article seems to state that the road-going Hummer H1 has little in common with the HMMWV. The H1 was originally built by AM General, as GM had yet to purchase the rights to the truck. Everything went downhill after the H1 was canned in favour of the (frankly hideous) H2 and H3.
- the article also makes it seem that the new vehicle is MRAP capable wheras the old Humvee wasn't. My father currently works at a defense contractor who developed MRAP and currently retrofits HMMWVs with the system.
Kinda sad to see the old warhorse go; must've been the same for the guys who grew up with the Jeep. Still, I remember seeing news of the US Military searching for a new personnel carrier since the early 2000s. I recall seeing an article on an electric-powered vehicle GM developed to meet the specification based on the Silverado pick-up platform in 2003 I think. Obviously, the gov't didn't choose their proposal.
- the article seems to state that the road-going Hummer H1 has little in common with the HMMWV. The H1 was originally built by AM General, as GM had yet to purchase the rights to the truck. Everything went downhill after the H1 was canned in favour of the (frankly hideous) H2 and H3.
- the article also makes it seem that the new vehicle is MRAP capable wheras the old Humvee wasn't. My father currently works at a defense contractor who developed MRAP and currently retrofits HMMWVs with the system.
Kinda sad to see the old warhorse go; must've been the same for the guys who grew up with the Jeep. Still, I remember seeing news of the US Military searching for a new personnel carrier since the early 2000s. I recall seeing an article on an electric-powered vehicle GM developed to meet the specification based on the Silverado pick-up platform in 2003 I think. Obviously, the gov't didn't choose their proposal.
bobberz said:
- the article seems to state that the road-going Hummer H1 has little in common with the HMMWV.
I think the article may be making the distinction that it's been years since a road approved H1 albeit with all the NHTSA side blinkers, steering locks, backup lights, rear license plate light, and hundreds of other stupid doo dads but the military version has continued to be produced. I mean, well, otherwise they are almost identical minus the gun turrets and creature comforts of the road going. I *think* 2006 was the last year for road/civilian versions of the H1:http://www.insideline.com/hummer/h1-alpha/2006/fir...
The H2 and H3 variants are just GM sh***t. Especially the interiors. It's one thing if an interior is bland in a durable spartan style and another if it's all poor plastic and cheap leather. I will say the H2 and H3 are some wild moving architecture and have some big tow hooks on them. I don't see any private or government organizations using them as fleet vehicles which suggests to me they aren't good at much and or GM doesn't have the manufacturing flexibility to deliver stripped out versions for 2nd party customization. You do see their Chevrolet siblings as fleet vehicles all the time.
I've been out in a stripped out american-military-type Hummer in the dunes at Lancelin here in W.Australia.
Absolutely awesome bit of kit which basically could drive up or down inclines/declines that you wouldnt want to walk down. Massive but with very little room inside due to the transmission tunnel and gearboxes.
Absolutely awesome bit of kit which basically could drive up or down inclines/declines that you wouldnt want to walk down. Massive but with very little room inside due to the transmission tunnel and gearboxes.
Spiritual_Beggar said:
GIRF said:
Oshkosh is a town in Wisconsin and is the location of Oshkosh Defense.
"And in a related story, Military to now get their clothing supply from Oshkosh B'gosh.....though the larger sizes could prove a problem at the factories"Edited by lestag on Tuesday 16th February 08:34
PiB said:
I don't see any private or government organizations using them as fleet vehicles which suggests to me they aren't good at much and or GM doesn't have the manufacturing flexibility to deliver stripped out versions for 2nd party customization. You do see their Chevrolet siblings as fleet vehicles all the time.
you are obviously unaware of the sterling work they do for CSI Miami 
They always looked like a space-inefficient POS to me. What's with the "coupe" back end? It's like a prehistoric X6. Didn't they have trouble trying to stuff the hostages in the back in "Blackhawk Down"?
I noticed this never ending US trend even with WW2 stuff at military shows; the British lorries are typically cab-over type arrangements whereas the huge Yank trucks had tiny canvas covered load areas, half the size for twice the consumption
I noticed this never ending US trend even with WW2 stuff at military shows; the British lorries are typically cab-over type arrangements whereas the huge Yank trucks had tiny canvas covered load areas, half the size for twice the consumption
they hold their value well...
http://www.militarysurplusvehiclesofdallas.com/id7...
http://www.classyauto.com/v/Hummer+H1/53588
http://www.classyauto.com/v/used/Hummer+H1/4x4+Die...
http://www.xhumvee.com/inventory/list/12
much better than the normal ones
http://www.militarysurplusvehiclesofdallas.com/id7...
http://www.classyauto.com/v/Hummer+H1/53588
http://www.classyauto.com/v/used/Hummer+H1/4x4+Die...
http://www.xhumvee.com/inventory/list/12
much better than the normal ones
ctallchris said:
Oddball RS said:
We use landies because they are cheap and fit for European roads and theatres where Humvees are just too wide, sadly they are far from perfect for their current use but thats why they are now being replaced in that role.
Nothing on wheels is as good against IED's as a helicopter though - is it Mr Brown?
Hmm the choice between having a landrover where you can drive it anywhere but it's vunerable to ied's an american best part of half a million ied proof car that has it's wheels blown off and injures it's occupants but leaves them with a chance of rescue or a helicopter which costs millions can be shot down killing all occupants by any muppet with an ak who gets lucky divorces any chance of a relationship with the local population and costs the military budget of a small country to run... possibly we just need some form of balanceNothing on wheels is as good against IED's as a helicopter though - is it Mr Brown?
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