RE: Driven: Porsche 911 GT3 RS
Discussion
Anh said:
woppum said:
Anh said:
New money for old rope at the end of the day.
the offer still stands to have mine for free. ......Not!
But hey, "it is a Porsche" so it is a marketing catch-all that justifies it.
Regards,
Anh
Really, you would. It's like a 911 distilled into its purest form.
Anh said:
104k for stripped down 60k car, you choose, you lose.
Where did you get the figure of £60K from??Other than the body shape it shares virtually nothing with a £60K Carrera
A replacement engine on the Gen 1 996 GT3 was over £40K about 10 years ago so the unit in the latest car is going to easily top £50K.
You're really quite ignorant about the facts on this car arent you?
sleep envy said:
Funny how 911 threads always manage to draw in the trolls
It seems weird to me, how so many 'petrolheads' seem to have such a deep-seated loathing for the 911.Be interested to know how many of the 'haters' who contribute to threads like this have ever driven one.
To each his own and all that - I get that. There just seems to be a disproportionate amount of hatred for this vehicle. It's not rational.
I don't think its a deep seated loathing of 911s more like a deep seated loathing of the owners. I get it all the time and I have never seen the inside of trading floor nor do I own red braces and wear a pin striped suit.
Personally anyone that slags of this car is either a complete f
king idiot that knows nothing about it or is simpley envious of people who have worked hard enough to own one.
Personally anyone that slags of this car is either a complete f
king idiot that knows nothing about it or is simpley envious of people who have worked hard enough to own one.tomw2000 said:
There just seems to be a disproportionate amount of hatred for this vehicle. It's not rational.
Your right, it isn't rational that some seem to get so het up about a bloody car.Its quite funny though, when they make complete arses out of themselves, by trying to convince the world how shyte it is with uninformed made-up b
ks. I think its the old trap of comparing linear performance numbers to the price . Therefore a ZO6 is more raw performance, (or a GT-R) for the price than a GT3 RS.
All true. What it ignores is the subjective stuff. I have no animus to people who make different choices to mine, and if my pure objective is to get the fastest car on the planet for the money, I might make a different choice.
However, the RS represents a superb subjective experience. I have had many. many performance cars and have driven a lot more. I was not looking for a pure racing car, but a car I could have a lot of fun with on track days. I am too big to drive a Caterham or Lotus, and I also want to use the car from time to time for road use without excessive compromise. I agree that it is very odd how strong the opinions and generalizations are.I bought my first used 911S at 25, and have had maybe 60 cars since, (possibly more). Lancias, Jags, M Cars,Supras and all sorts of stuff. I suppose that means I had my mid life crisis at 24
.
To me, based on personal experience with other RS owners, they are a varied lot, and there not a lot of "look at me" stuff. In fact, I suspect a GT-R will get more attention, and certainly almost any Italian exotic will do the job.By and large they seem to be regular blokes,who just want to enjoy a bit of harmless performance driving.
The internet is an interesting place for people to vent, I suppose, but I wonder if these folks have ever taken one of these things on a track or run it at speed. My RS.1 had been on Spa, the Nordschleife,Sears Point, Mosport, Virginia International raceway and other places. In every one of them I come across Porsche owners of new and old cars out there for the sheer fun of it. My new one will do others . Not sure why my particular choice is any worse than those of people who make different decisions. Strange.
All true. What it ignores is the subjective stuff. I have no animus to people who make different choices to mine, and if my pure objective is to get the fastest car on the planet for the money, I might make a different choice.
However, the RS represents a superb subjective experience. I have had many. many performance cars and have driven a lot more. I was not looking for a pure racing car, but a car I could have a lot of fun with on track days. I am too big to drive a Caterham or Lotus, and I also want to use the car from time to time for road use without excessive compromise. I agree that it is very odd how strong the opinions and generalizations are.I bought my first used 911S at 25, and have had maybe 60 cars since, (possibly more). Lancias, Jags, M Cars,Supras and all sorts of stuff. I suppose that means I had my mid life crisis at 24
.To me, based on personal experience with other RS owners, they are a varied lot, and there not a lot of "look at me" stuff. In fact, I suspect a GT-R will get more attention, and certainly almost any Italian exotic will do the job.By and large they seem to be regular blokes,who just want to enjoy a bit of harmless performance driving.
The internet is an interesting place for people to vent, I suppose, but I wonder if these folks have ever taken one of these things on a track or run it at speed. My RS.1 had been on Spa, the Nordschleife,Sears Point, Mosport, Virginia International raceway and other places. In every one of them I come across Porsche owners of new and old cars out there for the sheer fun of it. My new one will do others . Not sure why my particular choice is any worse than those of people who make different decisions. Strange.
Davey S2 said:
Anh said:
104k for stripped down 60k car, you choose, you lose.
Where did you get the figure of £60K from??Other than the body shape it shares virtually nothing with a £60K Carrera
A replacement engine on the Gen 1 996 GT3 was over £40K about 10 years ago so the unit in the latest car is going to easily top £50K.
You're really quite ignorant about the facts on this car arent you?
The difference is they took a batch of normal 911's, installed a batch of engines with its engine mangagement fuel and ignition mapping, porting and camshafts for its torque band shifted further up the RPM range for more peak power, stripped off all the creature comforts, bolted in a roll cage and slapped an additional 90% towards the retail price to market it as some race car or "homologation" special for racing only as a marketing excerise to yet sell more 60k 911's and 30k Boxsters...
Porsche are clever as they know there are enough people who have the money to buy into that bulls
t, simply because Porsche simply cant afford to built a really fast car from the ground up since the Carrera GT.Regards,
Anh
Anh said:
Davey S2 said:
Anh said:
104k for stripped down 60k car, you choose, you lose.
Where did you get the figure of £60K from??Other than the body shape it shares virtually nothing with a £60K Carrera
A replacement engine on the Gen 1 996 GT3 was over £40K about 10 years ago so the unit in the latest car is going to easily top £50K.
You're really quite ignorant about the facts on this car arent you?
The difference is they took a batch of normal 911's, installed a batch of engines with its engine mangagement fuel and ignition mapping, porting and camshafts for its torque band shifted further up the RPM range for more peak power, stripped off all the creature comforts, bolted in a roll cage and slapped an additional 90% towards the retail price to market it as some race car or "homologation" special for racing only as a marketing excerise to yet sell more 60k 911's and 30k Boxsters...
Porsche are clever as they know there are enough people who have the money to buy into that bulls
t, simply because Porsche simply cant afford to built a really fast car from the ground up since the Carrera GT.Regards,
Anh
ewenm said:
Why do you care? You prefer the GTR, that's fine, hooray! But why be so negative about the GT3 RS? Most people can appreciate that others have different priorities in their car choices and accept those choices. A few (and the internet seems to attract them) decide they have to be derisory about others' choices. It's just childish. Why not appreciate that we have the CHOICE between many fantastic cars in this increasingly sterile world?
I dont really care at all, all I said was that this GT3-RS will sell to middle aged men as they are the ones who generally have the money to buy the expensive club racer toy. It is raw, stripped down and overpriced version of a 60k rear engined car. There is nothing special about it if you look beyond the porsche marketing and brochure propaganda.It is the nerds on this forum who are getting hot under the collar and decided to talk about the GTR, I dont even own the Nissan GTR, and never even mentioned that car until this post. The GTR has nothing to do with this thread, if they feel that insecure to associate my opinions with the GTR, that is their problem.
Regards,
Anh
Edited by Anh on Thursday 25th February 17:35
Anh said:
I dont really care at all, all I said was that this GT3-RS will sell to middle aged men as they are the ones who generally have the money to buy the expensive club racer toy.
Well you clearly do care about it, otherwise you simply wouldn't be posting. And what's the issue about middle aged men? Who else buys most of the fast/expensive cars, apart from footballers and the odd internet wizard or very fortunate inheritee? And since when has any fast car not been a toy?
heebeegeetee said:
Anh said:
I dont really care at all, all I said was that this GT3-RS will sell to middle aged men as they are the ones who generally have the money to buy the expensive club racer toy.
Well you clearly do care about it, otherwise you simply wouldn't be posting. And what's the issue about middle aged men? Who else buys most of the fast/expensive cars, apart from footballers and the odd internet wizard or very fortunate inheritee? And since when has any fast car not been a toy?
Anh said:
ewenm said:
There is nothing special about it if you look beyond the porsche marketing and brochure propaganda.
Regards,
Anh
You appear to be the only one who thinks that though. I havent seen any test of the car which has given it anything other than 5 stars. The consensus is that compared with other cars like the gallardo and 458 its also a complete bargain. Regards,
Anh
Edited by Anh on Thursday 25th February 17:35
Davey S2 said:
You appear to be the only one who thinks that though. I havent seen any test of the car which has given it anything other than 5 stars. The consensus is that compared with other cars like the gallardo and 458 its also a complete bargain.
A steel bodied mass produced coupe at £104k, it is no bargain.It is the job of the marketing and sales man to persuade you that it is.
Regards,
Anh
Anh said:
Davey S2 said:
You appear to be the only one who thinks that though. I havent seen any test of the car which has given it anything other than 5 stars. The consensus is that compared with other cars like the gallardo and 458 its also a complete bargain.
A steel bodied mass produced coupe at £104k, it is no bargain.It is the job of the marketing and sales man to persuade you that it is.
Regards,
Anh
Weird that the gen 1 car made Evo car of the year, among many other accolades.Guess those journalists are just impressed by the hype too. Five stars in Autocar also, the fools.
Anh said:
Davey S2 said:
You appear to be the only one who thinks that though. I havent seen any test of the car which has given it anything other than 5 stars. The consensus is that compared with other cars like the gallardo and 458 its also a complete bargain.
A steel bodied mass produced coupe at £104k, it is no bargain.It is the job of the marketing and sales man to persuade you that it is.
Regards,
Anh
No more than the Lambo and Ferrari utilise mass produced bits and bobs and charge considerably more...but then they're bought by middel aged men too...and more often then not beguiled by marketing, hype and propoganda...am I close?
Anh said:
Davey S2 said:
You appear to be the only one who thinks that though. I havent seen any test of the car which has given it anything other than 5 stars. The consensus is that compared with other cars like the gallardo and 458 its also a complete bargain.
A steel bodied mass produced coupe at £104k, it is no bargain.It is the job of the marketing and sales man to persuade you that it is.
Regards,
Anh
Well their marketing dept must be brilliant if they have managed to presuade all the expreienced car mag hacks who have driven it and raved about it.
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