RE: Porsche Reveals Hybrid 918 Spyder

[Agoogy]

35secToNuvolari said:

I enjoyed the surprise of this car as well.

I like that they changed the angle of the roll bar from what's on the Carrera GT.

Thats it, aesthetically, in a nutshell.. amazing what that detail can do...the curves are more pronounced too...but that single angle has a massive impact...

[OlberJ]

Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?

[Streetrod]

OlberJ said:

Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?

I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers later

[xblade]

A car that I never knew I had been waiting so eagerly for, all that remains is a 40th anniversary 918 1-2-3 clean up at Le Mans to resurrect the legacy, and grandaddy 917 would give more than his balsa wood knob to have that look...

[evile]

Streetrod said:

OlberJ said:

Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?

I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers later

It's been confirmed in an Chris Harris interview on evo mag's website. A Carrera GT tub was used for the prototype. Porsche could develop a new tub if the 918 goes into production. However, using the Carrera GT tub should lower their development costs. They already have all the tooling. This will allow the to focus resources on other technologies. I have attached a link to the interview:

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/249202/geneva_vi...

Edited by evile on Thursday 4th March 12:44

[Streetrod]

evile said:

Streetrod said:

OlberJ said:

Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?

I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers later

It's been confirmed in an Chris Harris interview on evo mag's website. A Carrera GT tub was used for the prototype. Porsche could develop a new tub if the 918 goes into production. However, using the Carrera GT tub should lower their development costs. They already have all the tooling. This will allow the to focus resources on other technologies. I have attached a link to the interview:

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/249202/geneva_vi...

Edited by evile on Thursday 4th March 12:44

I stand corrected. Watching Harris in that video I thought he was going to wet himself

[havoc]

chuntington101 said:

Havoc, you might want to take a look at the Rotrex style of supercharger. They work a little like a belt driven turbo. This give you more boost the higher the RPM. I have heard great things about them being used on bike engines and the Honda KA20s. also you can use a conventional Air to air intercooler rather than the more complex air to water.

Can you see direct injection and fuels like E85 bringing back the classic N/A, and turbo for that mater, engines?....

I had heard about them, but I've not experienced one.

E85 - personally I think that is one of the worst ideas, environmentally speaking, that anyone has had - lets transfer some of the world's fuel demand to crops. Which given the huge level of demand has natually led to third-world countries with lots of spare land (currently RAINFOREST) converting that spare land to oil-palm cultivation!
(Put more succinctly - those political c**ts forcing biofuels on people are doing more to harm our biosphere than S.American cattle-ranchers and loggers combined!!!)

DI - maybe, but don't those engines sound boring?!? Same evolution as carbs to EFI though I guess...

In reality I can't see anything short of a reversal of the current policies on emissions bringing back n/a performance engines into the mainstream. BMW have already started moving to FI...if Honda do the same then ring the bell, time's up!

[YAD061]

Holy crap! that's a Porsche?! beeeeyutifull

[Anh]

havoc said:

In reality I can't see anything short of a reversal of the current policies on emissions bringing back n/a performance engines into the mainstream. BMW have already started moving to FI...if Honda do the same then ring the bell, time's up!

Turbocharged engines are awesome, try to step out of your comfort zone and drive a car with a straight 6 turbocharged or a V8 turbocharged engine.

Turbos do not hide the character of an engine and can in many ways add character, you can still easily feel the difference between a high revving turbo engine to an engine with huge low to mid range grunt, turbos do not dictate power delivery and engine behavior alone.

Regards,

Anh

[havoc]

Anh said:

havoc said:

In reality I can't see anything short of a reversal of the current policies on emissions bringing back n/a performance engines into the mainstream. BMW have already started moving to FI...if Honda do the same then ring the bell, time's up!

Turbocharged engines are awesome, try to step out of your comfort zone and drive a car with a straight 6 turbocharged or a V8 turbocharged engine.

Turbos do not hide the character of an engine and can in many ways add character, you can still easily feel the difference between a high revving turbo engine to an engine with huge low to mid range grunt, turbos do not dictate power delivery and engine behavior alone.

Regards,

Anh

Ah bless, you're trying to be confrontational!

Trouble is, you've no idea what sorts of cars I've already driven...so that comment could be as mis-directed as a US airstrike in Iraq!

[OlberJ]

evile said:

Streetrod said:

OlberJ said:

Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?

I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers later

It's been confirmed in an Chris Harris interview on evo mag's website. A Carrera GT tub was used for the prototype. Porsche could develop a new tub if the 918 goes into production. However, using the Carrera GT tub should lower their development costs. They already have all the tooling. This will allow the to focus resources on other technologies. I have attached a link to the interview:

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/249202/geneva_vi...

Edited by evile on Thursday 4th March 12:44

I guess it could still have a shorter wheel base, as it looks in the pictures.

Would be nice if it's possible for someone to get the wheelbase etc measurements for us.

[Streetrod]

OlberJ said:

evile said:

Streetrod said:

OlberJ said:

Is it actually based on a CGT tub though?

I dont think so as the wheel base and dimensionms are very different. I will post up the numbers later

It's been confirmed in an Chris Harris interview on evo mag's website. A Carrera GT tub was used for the prototype. Porsche could develop a new tub if the 918 goes into production. However, using the Carrera GT tub should lower their development costs. They already have all the tooling. This will allow the to focus resources on other technologies. I have attached a link to the interview:

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/249202/geneva_vi...

Edited by evile on Thursday 4th March 12:44

I guess it could still have a shorter wheel base, as it looks in the pictures.

Would be nice if it's possible for someone to get the wheelbase etc measurements for us.

As has been confirmed it is based on a CGT tub, here are the dimensions:

Carrera GT
Wheelbase 107.5
Length 4,623 mm (182.0 in)[1]
Width 1,930 mm (76 in)[1]
Height 1,168 mm (46.0 in)[1]
Curb weight 1,380 kg (3,000 lb)[1]


918 Spyder
Wheelbase 104.3
Length 177
Width 76
Hight 43
Curbweight 1490

[OlberJ]

Cheers for that StreetRod.

[GTRene]

Streetrod said:

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As has been confirmed it is based on a CGT tub, here are the dimensions:

Carrera GT
Wheelbase 2,730mm( 107.5 in)
Length 4,623 mm (182.0 in)[1]
Width 1,930 mm (76 in)[1]
Height 1,168 mm (46.0 in)[1]
Curb weight 1,380 kg (3,000 lb)[1]


918 Spyder
Wheelbase 104.3 = 2.649mm
Length 177 = 4.495mm
Width 76 = 1.930mm
Hight 43 = 1.092mm
Curbweight 1490

I filled in the mm to get a better overview for us metric peopple
so the 918 Spyder is a bit shorter and just as wide wich is good/nice for looks.

[Anh]

havoc said:

Ah bless, you're trying to be confrontational!

Trouble is, you've no idea what sorts of cars I've already driven...so that comment could be as mis-directed as a US airstrike in Iraq!

Your previous turbo bashing posts in this thread mentioned you drove some Scooby and some Golf GTI to illustrate why you think turbos are not suited for "proper sports cars"

They are both 4 bangers built to a price.


Regards,

Anh

[havoc]

Anh said:

...your turbo bashing posts...

Don't take things personally chap, otherwise you'll be forever fighting on here. I'm just stating I don't like them as much as n/a - and I was saying that in response to someone saying this car 'needed' turbos...which is patent nonsense! WGAF whether the car has 500bhp or 1,500bhp, I'll wager that only a fraction of owners (and a small fraction of PHers) have the ability to properly use even the 500! After that it just becomes pub bragging rights which is IMHO the worst reason to give a car more power...


I've driven plenty of powerful cars - up to c.400bhp, FYI, across a variety of powerplants - V-6 and I-6, V-8, I-4 and I-5; turbo (modern and old-school), s'charged and n/a. And:-
1) I don't personally see any need for big power, not on UK roads...for me it'd just be a temptation to lose my license. My NSX is far too quick and capable for the roads around me, despite being amongst the least powerful of the options I looked at to replace the S2000 - it was a car I've longed for for years and it's not disappointed...certainly no need for any turbos there!

2) The character of a turbo engine don't change just because you've more cubes or more cylinders, same as the delivery of an n/a engine doesn't change. Sure you get engines which deliver power low-down and you get screamers, but that's not what I'm talking about re: "character".

3) The more torque you have, the more 'robust' you need a gearbox to be...and quite frankly there's nothing worse for me than a big, clunky gearbox...that and the poor visibility are the main two things that put me off the C6 'vette.

[Anh]

havoc said:

Anh said:

...your turbo bashing posts...

Don't take things personally chap, otherwise you'll be forever fighting on here. I'm just stating I don't like them as much as n/a - and I was saying that in response to someone saying this car 'needed' turbos...which is patent nonsense! WGAF whether the car has 500bhp or 1,500bhp, I'll wager that only a fraction of owners (and a small fraction of PHers) have the ability to properly use even the 500! After that it just becomes pub bragging rights which is IMHO the worst reason to give a car more power...

I too would pick most N/A engines over a VW 4 banger turbo or a scooby flat 4 turbo, as they are rather dire engines.

However a powerful turbocharged inlne 6, twin turbo V8, or even a twin turbo rotary puts matters into another league, dont take my word for it, go out and drive a car with these engines.


Regards,

Anh

[toovo1985]

Really like it...great design...everyone is staggering at Geneva at the 918. Also good to see that Porsche, like other supercar brands are thinking greener!!!

Just have some suspicion about the fuel consumption of 3l/100km...seems a little bit too optimistic!!! don't you think???

[dinkel]

havoc said:

Anh said:

...your turbo bashing posts...

Don't take things personally chap, otherwise you'll be forever fighting on here. I'm just stating I don't like them as much as n/a - and I was saying that in response to someone saying this car 'needed' turbos...which is patent nonsense! WGAF whether the car has 500bhp or 1,500bhp, I'll wager that only a fraction of owners (and a small fraction of PHers) have the ability to properly use even the 500! After that it just becomes pub bragging rights which is IMHO the worst reason to give a car more power...


I've driven plenty of powerful cars - up to c.400bhp, FYI, across a variety of powerplants - V-6 and I-6, V-8, I-4 and I-5; turbo (modern and old-school), s'charged and n/a. And:-
1) I don't personally see any need for big power, not on UK roads...for me it'd just be a temptation to lose my license. My NSX is far too quick and capable for the roads around me, despite being amongst the least powerful of the options I looked at to replace the S2000 - it was a car I've longed for for years and it's not disappointed...certainly no need for any turbos there!

2) The character of a turbo engine don't change just because you've more cubes or more cylinders, same as the delivery of an n/a engine doesn't change. Sure you get engines which deliver power low-down and you get screamers, but that's not what I'm talking about re: "character".

3) The more torque you have, the more 'robust' you need a gearbox to be...and quite frankly there's nothing worse for me than a big, clunky gearbox...that and the poor visibility are the main two things that put me off the C6 'vette.

Honda boxes are so smooth . . . Agree on the power thingy. There's so much fun to have with 'just' under 300 brake.

[mantra]

Its great to see droolworthy limited edition halo cars in the £500/600k range. It would also be good to see porsche do a car above the 911, at say £140-180k range to take on the MP4-12C/458s (but perhaps that would be trampling on Lambo's toes?)

Also is the 918 meant to show Porsche's new interior design language? if so, a deep sigh and hallelujah