RE: Porsche Reveals Hybrid 918 Spyder
Discussion
It's retarded.
If you are serious about CO2 emmsions then DO NOT buy a 500 bhp performance car with an electric motor added as an afterthought, buy a stupid prius or walk.
I think in years to come that 'hybrids' are going to be seen as as both a technological dead end, and as vanity boubles for self-conciously 'eco friendly' rich idiots who heat their mansions from coal powered power stations and don't know it.
If you are serious about CO2 emmsions then DO NOT buy a 500 bhp performance car with an electric motor added as an afterthought, buy a stupid prius or walk.
I think in years to come that 'hybrids' are going to be seen as as both a technological dead end, and as vanity boubles for self-conciously 'eco friendly' rich idiots who heat their mansions from coal powered power stations and don't know it.
SmoothRB said:
It's retarded.
If you are serious about CO2 emmsions then DO NOT buy a 500 bhp performance car with an electric motor added as an afterthought, buy a stupid prius or walk.
I think in years to come that 'hybrids' are going to be seen as as both a technological dead end, and as vanity boubles for self-conciously 'eco friendly' rich idiots who heat their mansions from coal powered power stations and don't know it.
No your retarded. The point is car manufacturers are being forced to meet a certain C02 output and MPG output average across the range.If you are serious about CO2 emmsions then DO NOT buy a 500 bhp performance car with an electric motor added as an afterthought, buy a stupid prius or walk.
I think in years to come that 'hybrids' are going to be seen as as both a technological dead end, and as vanity boubles for self-conciously 'eco friendly' rich idiots who heat their mansions from coal powered power stations and don't know it.
No one realistically thinks this car is going to do 75mpg BUT it potentially can plus it can do 25km on battery alone. This satisfies the EU directives and allows the owner to have a 710 bhp car...what don't you get about that? IT's an ingenious solution to an unavoidable restriction being placed on manufacturers problem. I doubt any of the potential owners if they've, put them selfs in the position to buy a 300k car, are stupid enough to think this a green car..
Dagnut said:
SmoothRB said:
It's retarded.
If you are serious about CO2 emmsions then DO NOT buy a 500 bhp performance car with an electric motor added as an afterthought, buy a stupid prius or walk.
I think in years to come that 'hybrids' are going to be seen as as both a technological dead end, and as vanity boubles for self-conciously 'eco friendly' rich idiots who heat their mansions from coal powered power stations and don't know it.
No your retarded. The point is car manufacturers are being forced to meet a certain C02 output and MPG output average across the range.If you are serious about CO2 emmsions then DO NOT buy a 500 bhp performance car with an electric motor added as an afterthought, buy a stupid prius or walk.
I think in years to come that 'hybrids' are going to be seen as as both a technological dead end, and as vanity boubles for self-conciously 'eco friendly' rich idiots who heat their mansions from coal powered power stations and don't know it.
No one realistically thinks this car is going to do 75mpg BUT it potentially can plus it can do 25km on battery alone. This satisfies the EU directives and allows the owner to have a 710 bhp car...what don't you get about that? IT's an ingenious solution to an unavoidable restriction being placed on manufacturers problem. I doubt any of the potential owners if they've, put them selfs in the position to buy a 300k car, are stupid enough to think this a green car..
Drive a luxury performance car with a 500 bhp internal combusion engine and save the planet?
It is idiotic and hypocritical. If anyone buys this and things they are aquiring a good conscience they are idiots.If Porsche were serious about the environment they would NOT be making luxery Performance cars. Do you know the impact that just MAKING this car has on the environment!? They would be making small, light, economy cars with hybrids or electric motors.
It's all just a posture.
Edited by SmoothRB on Friday 5th March 09:09
SmoothRB said:
Dagnut said:
SmoothRB said:
It's retarded.
If you are serious about CO2 emmsions then DO NOT buy a 500 bhp performance car with an electric motor added as an afterthought, buy a stupid prius or walk.
I think in years to come that 'hybrids' are going to be seen as as both a technological dead end, and as vanity boubles for self-conciously 'eco friendly' rich idiots who heat their mansions from coal powered power stations and don't know it.
No your retarded. The point is car manufacturers are being forced to meet a certain C02 output and MPG output average across the range.If you are serious about CO2 emmsions then DO NOT buy a 500 bhp performance car with an electric motor added as an afterthought, buy a stupid prius or walk.
I think in years to come that 'hybrids' are going to be seen as as both a technological dead end, and as vanity boubles for self-conciously 'eco friendly' rich idiots who heat their mansions from coal powered power stations and don't know it.
No one realistically thinks this car is going to do 75mpg BUT it potentially can plus it can do 25km on battery alone. This satisfies the EU directives and allows the owner to have a 710 bhp car...what don't you get about that? IT's an ingenious solution to an unavoidable restriction being placed on manufacturers problem. I doubt any of the potential owners if they've, put them selfs in the position to buy a 300k car, are stupid enough to think this a green car..
Drive a car w/ a luxury performance car with a 500 bhp internal combusion engine and save the planet?
It is idiotic and hypocritical. If anyone buys this and things they are aquiring a good conscience they are idiots.If Porsche were serious about the environment they would NOT be making luxery Performance cars. Do you know the impact that just MAKING this car has on the environment!? They would be making small, light, economy cars with hybrids or electric motors.
It's all just a posture.
There's no such thing as an environmentally friendly car. Even a G-wiz fails to be that. At best, you can have a car that is less bad, but never can you have one that is good for the environment.
If people are going to buy big-power cars, at least this Porsche won't be wasting fuel if they are crawling in traffic or on short runs. There's no reason this can't have an electric "cruise-assist" where it uses minimal fuel while maintaining a constant 70mph either.
It also has the advantage of having less impact on city-centre air-quality. Even if they only ever make 5 of these, it's a useful demonstration of what can be done.
If people are going to buy big-power cars, at least this Porsche won't be wasting fuel if they are crawling in traffic or on short runs. There's no reason this can't have an electric "cruise-assist" where it uses minimal fuel while maintaining a constant 70mph either.
It also has the advantage of having less impact on city-centre air-quality. Even if they only ever make 5 of these, it's a useful demonstration of what can be done.
Edited by Mr Gear on Friday 5th March 09:15
It seems like performance car makers can't win. If they make a hybrid/ev performance car then its a vanity car so show that they care (918). If they carry on with what they have done, but make a small car model to bring the emissions down then they devalue the brand (Cygnet). The emissions level of this new law is below the emissions level of a supercar, so whats the option to be legal and not lose brand integrity?
Mr Gear said:
There's no such thing as an environmentally friendly car. Even a G-wiz fails to be that. At best, you can have a car that is less bad, but never can you have one that is good for the environment.
Cars like this consume A LOT of resources just to make.It's dirty on the environment even before you put a gallon of fuel in it.
ajprice said:
It seems like performance car makers can't win. If they make a hybrid/ev performance car then its a vanity car so show that they care (918). If they carry on with what they have done, but make a small car model to bring the emissions down then they devalue the brand (Cygnet). The emissions level of this new law is below the emissions level of a supercar, so whats the option to be legal and not lose brand integrity?
Go all electric then.SmoothRB said:
Mr Gear said:
There's no such thing as an environmentally friendly car. Even a G-wiz fails to be that. At best, you can have a car that is less bad, but never can you have one that is good for the environment.
Cars like this consume A LOT of resources just to make.It's dirty on the environment even before you put a gallon of fuel in it.
SmoothRB said:
Mr Gear said:
There's no such thing as an environmentally friendly car. Even a G-wiz fails to be that. At best, you can have a car that is less bad, but never can you have one that is good for the environment.
Cars like this consume A LOT of resources just to make.It's dirty on the environment even before you put a gallon of fuel in it.
Also to concentrate on a cars on the road environmental impact is to exclude its true dust to dust impact. Some make great shakes about the likes of a Prius, but in reality a Prius is more damaging over its complete life time than a top of the range Range Rover. If fact the most environmentally friendly car you can buy is a Jeep when you look at its entire lifetime impact.
The point of the 918 is that not only does it showcase technology which will eventually filter down to lesser models but it shows that you can have you cake and eat it too.
I personally don’t doubt the MPG figures that Porsche have quoted, yes you would have to drive like a nun on the way to church, but how often are cars likes this going at full chat anyway?
This car might well spend most of its time cruising the kings Road on its batteries alone, how is that a bad thing?
Streetrod said:
Also to concentrate on a cars on the road environmental impact is to exclude its true dust to dust impact. Some make great shakes about the likes of a Prius, but in reality a Prius is more damaging over its complete life time than a top of the range Range Rover. If fact the most environmentally friendly car you can buy is a Jeep when you look at its entire lifetime impact.
Unless you can show me a link that has some believable figures from reliable sources that proves this, I call shenanigans on this "fact".SmoothRB said:
Do you know the impact that just MAKING this car has on the environment!?
Good point, no, we don't..........do you? I imagine it'll be made from fronds of mildew bonded together with tadpole tears, the electric motor (built in the caves of Nithandrill by elves from bits of tree shed by the tree tribe of Tahoouine) will be powered by the energy of mating Unicorns. So every one's a winner really...especially the Unicorns who get to have great sex and experience the added bonus of saving mankind from destruction.
the simple truth is that petrol will run out at some point
we dont know the full truth behind carbon/man made global warming, but car propulsion will need to change for either or both reasons
the first ever petrol car wasn't great was it, it took years of development before we had fast/econimical/reliable/pretty cars
the same goes with eco cars, they started out crap, then we had the tesla, looks good, goes fast, runs out of juice before you get to tesco
the 918 is proof that we are moving forward and we can still have passion for speed and performace and looks.
it's not in anyway retarded, it is hope and it is progress, and also, possibly the best looking porsche of all time.
we dont know the full truth behind carbon/man made global warming, but car propulsion will need to change for either or both reasons
the first ever petrol car wasn't great was it, it took years of development before we had fast/econimical/reliable/pretty cars
the same goes with eco cars, they started out crap, then we had the tesla, looks good, goes fast, runs out of juice before you get to tesco
the 918 is proof that we are moving forward and we can still have passion for speed and performace and looks.
it's not in anyway retarded, it is hope and it is progress, and also, possibly the best looking porsche of all time.
SmoothRB said:
Streetrod said:
SmoothRB said:
Mr Gear said:
There's no such thing as an environmentally friendly car. Even a G-wiz fails to be that. At best, you can have a car that is less bad, but never can you have one that is good for the environment.
Cars like this consume A LOT of resources just to make.It's dirty on the environment even before you put a gallon of fuel in it.
SmoothRB said:
SmoothRB said:
Streetrod said:
SmoothRB said:
Mr Gear said:
There's no such thing as an environmentally friendly car. Even a G-wiz fails to be that. At best, you can have a car that is less bad, but never can you have one that is good for the environment.
Cars like this consume A LOT of resources just to make.It's dirty on the environment even before you put a gallon of fuel in it.
Mr Gear said:
Streetrod said:
Also to concentrate on a cars on the road environmental impact is to exclude its true dust to dust impact. Some make great shakes about the likes of a Prius, but in reality a Prius is more damaging over its complete life time than a top of the range Range Rover. If fact the most environmentally friendly car you can buy is a Jeep when you look at its entire lifetime impact.
Unless you can show me a link that has some believable figures from reliable sources that proves this, I call shenanigans on this "fact".http://www.hybridcars.com/environment-stories/dust...
http://www.hybridcars.com/forums/dust-dust-automot...
http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-1...
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