RE: Geneva Special: Ferrari's Hybrid Future
Discussion
V88Dicky said:
CO2 is a non-problem, and when all four wheels of the AGW bandwagon have finally come off and it goes flying off the cliff, we will be left with a world where the internal combustion engine has been pensioned off way before its time, and any surviving engines will be turbo four pots. 
Definitely is a non-problem. C02 isn't pollution, just because a car has a high C02 rating doesn't mean it's a heavy polluter. A big modern petrol v8 for example has extremely low emissions, same as a tiny petrol engine in fact. All engines have to meet the same euro4 or euro5 emission regs. I'm not sure how diesel cars meet these regs though, I see a lot of modern diesels chucking out loads of soot. The government should tax cars on how bad the particulate emissions are not harmless c02 emissions. I think the term being green has been hijacked by the whole global warming thing though, so lots of important environmental issues are being ignored.Edited by wigsworld on Thursday 4th March 20:15
Roberty said:
Fidgits said:
The problem is, so many people actually believe it...
Some a little too much: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southame...
To be honest if the rest of the true believers followed suite it might actually help!Some a little too much: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southame...
cars have always sold on account of their headline figures, all that's changed through the years is which figure buyers focus on. It used to be 0-60, cc, peak BHP or lb/ft now it's mpg and Co2.
Car manufacturers have always found ways of getting better at the tests used to get these figures but the figures can hide the truth or at least bend it so the figure look better than real world attributes.
Engines that give good peak BPH but little else, close ratio gearboxes for faster acceleration but rubbish top speed. Like wise the tests for mpg and co2 can be cheated. After the government changed the road tax bandings how many manufacturers released slight revisions to drop a band, are these cars really any better for the enviroment in real world conditions?
How many manufacturers have recently replaced larger capacity engines with smaller turbo charged ones, the turbos give better headline enviro figures yet similar 0-60 and power output yet in real world driving are they realler that much more economical.
I'm not adverse to change, just want driving to be fun and not to be missled by headline figures that suggest something is better than what it is.
Car manufacturers have always found ways of getting better at the tests used to get these figures but the figures can hide the truth or at least bend it so the figure look better than real world attributes.
Engines that give good peak BPH but little else, close ratio gearboxes for faster acceleration but rubbish top speed. Like wise the tests for mpg and co2 can be cheated. After the government changed the road tax bandings how many manufacturers released slight revisions to drop a band, are these cars really any better for the enviroment in real world conditions?
How many manufacturers have recently replaced larger capacity engines with smaller turbo charged ones, the turbos give better headline enviro figures yet similar 0-60 and power output yet in real world driving are they realler that much more economical.
I'm not adverse to change, just want driving to be fun and not to be missled by headline figures that suggest something is better than what it is.
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Both go look up the vibrational modes of CO2 and CH4
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What you really need to do is look more clearly yourself, and this time instead of looking at the graph from a distance and compare the effects of tens of thousands of years, look more closely. If you are as clever as you clearly want to be seen, notice the correlation between the two and deduce another theory. (Try opening your mind a little)
Then you will see what is really happening. Ask a scientist if you cant work it out, or come back and se me for your next lesson.
I have an idea......
The polar caps are melting, which they have always done for millions of years at constant time intervals, but this time we plant the trees on the whole of the newly thawed Antarctic region. This should be enough trees to keep the (very misinformed) CO2 brigade at bay.
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Both go look up the vibrational modes of CO2 and CH4
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What you really need to do is look more clearly yourself, and this time instead of looking at the graph from a distance and compare the effects of tens of thousands of years, look more closely. If you are as clever as you clearly want to be seen, notice the correlation between the two and deduce another theory. (Try opening your mind a little)
Then you will see what is really happening. Ask a scientist if you cant work it out, or come back and se me for your next lesson.
I have an idea......
The polar caps are melting, which they have always done for millions of years at constant time intervals, but this time we plant the trees on the whole of the newly thawed Antarctic region. This should be enough trees to keep the (very misinformed) CO2 brigade at bay.
Edited by sl55amg on Saturday 6th March 20:16
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Mr Gear said:
^ Wow, do you really believe that?
Yes, it's called history. You kinda have to believe it. Ever heard of an ice age? (apart from the film with the mammoth in it).It helps being a geologist but I'm sure you've already made your own mind up. It doesn't matter what has actually happened over the last one hundred million years, I'm sure your opinion has much more fact based information than mine.
edited to mention.....
If the tech in this car makes it lighter and yet more powerful, is that not a good thing. Oh yes, and the centre of gravity is lowered, therefore I'd guess better handling. Seems that the green thing may actually end up doing us all a favour in the long run, with early tech already boosting power outputs. There can only be progress from here. Lighter cars with more grunt, nice.
Edited by sl55amg on Sunday 7th March 21:20
Agent Orange said:
Enough of this lofty chit chat 
What I want to know is where are the photos of the bright red Ferrari trigeneration engines?
As this got raised in the Lotus thread here:What I want to know is where are the photos of the bright red Ferrari trigeneration engines?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I re-read this original thread and found a picture of the engines Ferrari use.
Typical journalistic hyperbole, Ferrari didn't built the engines, but used a bought in power generation solution from this company:
http://www.margen.it/news/impianto-di-trigenerazio...
And painted the engines corporate red.
They look suspiciously like MTU V20 8000 lpg/diesel Marine engines.
So here, after an 11 year wait, is your picture:
You are welcome.
Terminator X said:
WTF have we gone back in time?!
TX.
"Holy thread resurrection Batman" right!TX.
The Ferrari EV thread was linked in the Lotus thread, so I read it, then wanted to know more about the Ferrari Trigenerazione engines and googled it. Found the info I needed and decided to answer his question, to be fair after 11 years he probably forgot all about it!
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