What to do with a drowned Range Rover?

What to do with a drowned Range Rover?

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300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

191 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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10JH said:
ZOLLAR said:
Some insurance companies wont immediately notice fronting if parents say their children have access to other cars aswell, possibly this could the case?? op does your brother have access to other cars if so unlikley insurer will go down the fronted route.
Yeah he does. I think some people are getting confused with what fronting is.

Having spoken to my Dad, the main reason he doesn't want to go down the insurance route is that he doesn't think that they would pay out.

Land Rover have also advised him that the insurance are unlikely to pay out as he was doing something stupid and as it was on a beach. I don't know if the slipway says private access only (or whaterber) or not though.

Plus if they did pay out, he pays a huge amount in insurance every year, so a premium rise would cost him a lot.
Let me know wink

Happy Eater

438 posts

196 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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please please someone photoshop it into a Bobtail.
I would be the bees knees with the offroad bunch.

koolchris99

11,302 posts

180 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Tony*T3 said:
MiniMan64 said:
Superficial said:
koolchris99 said:
weird noone has mentioned that your dad is fronting on his insurance...

naughty
How so?
Errr because he is.

OP states that his father is insuring a car for his brother and his sister to drive in his name with them as named drivers. That is fronting and that is illegal.

And as for the people telling the OP to claim on the insurance, I cannot possibly see how they would pay out in a million years, they'd laugh you off phone line.
Do you normaly accuse people of fraud on a public forum without actually knowing the facts? Because that can end up in court too, you know?


As long as he was genuinly an occasional driver and it wasnt really his car registered in his fathers name then its simply not fronting. As its stated he has his own car and its highly unlikly that a 17 year old would really be the main driver of a Range Rover then I'd suiggest your accusation is a little short on facts.

Sounds to me from what I've read posted above that he borrowed (with consent) his fathers vehicle, and was fully covered by insurance. The police did after all attend, and they aren't know to not stick their bloody noses in, are they?
i was more looking at this one:

He said that because he insures both my brother (17) and sister (20) on other cars through his name that he reckons the insurance would take a big knock. Plus the excess was £1000.

maybe they have 4 cars in the family, the RR, and 3 others, which are the childrens car, and he is insuring the lot on his name.. isnt that fronting?

i have no idea really, most people i know are on their parents insurance on their cars.

GaryJ8

156 posts

182 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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koolchris99 said:
Tony*T3 said:
MiniMan64 said:
Superficial said:
koolchris99 said:
weird noone has mentioned that your dad is fronting on his insurance...

naughty
How so?
Errr because he is.

OP states that his father is insuring a car for his brother and his sister to drive in his name with them as named drivers. That is fronting and that is illegal.

And as for the people telling the OP to claim on the insurance, I cannot possibly see how they would pay out in a million years, they'd laugh you off phone line.
Do you normaly accuse people of fraud on a public forum without actually knowing the facts? Because that can end up in court too, you know?


As long as he was genuinly an occasional driver and it wasnt really his car registered in his fathers name then its simply not fronting. As its stated he has his own car and its highly unlikly that a 17 year old would really be the main driver of a Range Rover then I'd suiggest your accusation is a little short on facts.

Sounds to me from what I've read posted above that he borrowed (with consent) his fathers vehicle, and was fully covered by insurance. The police did after all attend, and they aren't know to not stick their bloody noses in, are they?
i was more looking at this one:

He said that because he insures both my brother (17) and sister (20) on other cars through his name that he reckons the insurance would take a big knock. Plus the excess was £1000.

maybe they have 4 cars in the family, the RR, and 3 others, which are the childrens car, and he is insuring the lot on his name.. isnt that fronting?

i have no idea really, most people i know are on their parents insurance on their cars.
So if you din't actually know if it was fronting or not why did you make that your only contribution to the thread?

I can see where the OP is coming from by not claiming on the insurance, Dad would lose his NCB, son would have had a write off claim, ruining both their insurance prices for a while..

Bill

52,803 posts

256 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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koolchris99 said:
i have no idea really
Well, stop digging that hole then wink

off_again

12,338 posts

235 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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loafer123 said:
off_again said:
Very unlikely. The risk is that the water has caused structural damage....
There's alot of sense talked in this thread, but "structural damage"? It was salt water, not a bath of acid?!
Yep, but I am not talking about rotting through in a week or something. Think of it in a few years. Warm summers, cold winters - expanding and contracting. Small hole here, water ingress there.... probably would be fine for a couple of years. But after a bit, its going to start causing a problem. Given that Rangies are one of the longer lasting cars around, think about what it will be like in 10 years.

Tony*T3

20,911 posts

248 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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koolchris99 said:
Tony*T3 said:
MiniMan64 said:
Superficial said:
koolchris99 said:
weird noone has mentioned that your dad is fronting on his insurance...

naughty
How so?
Errr because he is.

OP states that his father is insuring a car for his brother and his sister to drive in his name with them as named drivers. That is fronting and that is illegal.

And as for the people telling the OP to claim on the insurance, I cannot possibly see how they would pay out in a million years, they'd laugh you off phone line.
Do you normaly accuse people of fraud on a public forum without actually knowing the facts? Because that can end up in court too, you know?


As long as he was genuinly an occasional driver and it wasnt really his car registered in his fathers name then its simply not fronting. As its stated he has his own car and its highly unlikly that a 17 year old would really be the main driver of a Range Rover then I'd suiggest your accusation is a little short on facts.

Sounds to me from what I've read posted above that he borrowed (with consent) his fathers vehicle, and was fully covered by insurance. The police did after all attend, and they aren't know to not stick their bloody noses in, are they?
i was more looking at this one:

He said that because he insures both my brother (17) and sister (20) on other cars through his name that he reckons the insurance would take a big knock. Plus the excess was £1000.

maybe they have 4 cars in the family, the RR, and 3 others, which are the childrens car, and he is insuring the lot on his name.. isnt that fronting?

i have no idea really, most people i know are on their parents insurance on their cars.
Its only fronting if the Kids are the real owners of these cars and the main drivers. This has not been implied as far as I can see. If they are occasional drivers of their father's cars and insured as such then its not fronting. Simple. Otherwise, why would insurance comapnies still allow people to be named drivers (and charge a premium for exactly that privaledge)?

I'd suggest that any father that can consider disposing of a Range Rover in this way probably owns the Range Rover, and not his 17 year old son. If he has 5 cars that are his, and the 17 year old is named on all 5, then yes he's an occasionalydriver as covered by the policies. If however the 17 year old has a Citreon Saxo registered in his own name that his Dad doesn't own, or drive, and he's covered by his Dads insurance, then that would be fronting.

I'm a named driver on around 8 different car policies. I dont own any of those cars and only drive them rarely. Am I fronting insurance? No.





Edited by Tony*T3 on Friday 5th March 12:18

UncappedTag

2,102 posts

186 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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What other vehicles is your dad insured on that would put the excess through the roof?

Back to your bro, got his nuts wet in more ways than one.

Your dad seems to be taking it well, I would be livid.

iggletiggle

1,380 posts

186 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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slightly off topic here but ..

can anyone remember the batch of BMWs that got water logged on their way over on a boat?

From memory they were never recorded by insurance, sold at auction and repaired and sold back into the market place unrecorded. 5 Series i think they were.. possible sold by a trader in Norfolk after the repair but cant remember for certain..

Bill

52,803 posts

256 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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iggletiggle said:
slightly off topic here but ..

can anyone remember the batch of BMWs that got water logged on their way over on a boat?

From memory they were never recorded by insurance, sold at auction and repaired and sold back into the market place unrecorded. 5 Series i think they were.. possible sold by a trader in Norfolk after the repair but cant remember for certain..
There were some BM bikes last year (IIRC) in Cornwall.

iggletiggle

1,380 posts

186 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Bill said:
iggletiggle said:
slightly off topic here but ..

can anyone remember the batch of BMWs that got water logged on their way over on a boat?

From memory they were never recorded by insurance, sold at auction and repaired and sold back into the market place unrecorded. 5 Series i think they were.. possible sold by a trader in Norfolk after the repair but cant remember for certain..
There were some BM bikes last year (IIRC) in Cornwall.
yeah these were cars though, about 10yrs ago from memory..

perdu

4,884 posts

200 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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mat13 said:
Would have been fun trying to recover it, I for one would have had a go but I think most people wouldn't have wanted to risk becoming stuck themselves. Also to pull that car at you would need at least ten ton rated recovery straps, not something many people have in their vehicles.
Hmm

I always carry a couple of those in my Midget, but thinking about it I don't think I would have tried to pull that one out.

It's a terrible shame though, what a sad sight.

And give it a few weeks and there'll be summat else sitting on the sandy mud, just the same.

cynical? moi? too true...


christofmccracke

881 posts

201 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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fraud: say it was stolen?

ZOLLAR

19,908 posts

174 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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christofmccracke said:
fraud: say it was stolen?
yeah and admit it on a public forum rolleyes

amir_j

3,579 posts

202 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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christofmccracke said:
fraud: say it was stolen?
Yes that would be fraud, thank you for your statement

Dave^

7,372 posts

254 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Happy Eater said:
please please someone photoshop it into a Bobtail.
I would be the bees knees with the offroad bunch.
A very quick, very rough effort...



hehe

Happy Eater

438 posts

196 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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excellent cheers

OP - make it black - put a lift kit and some mud terrains on it,

stick that image on ebay when you sell it.

Pearcyy

375 posts

172 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Run it through one of the universal salvage online auctions, stuff is going for mental money on there lately.

Oakey

27,592 posts

217 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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10JH said:
ZOLLAR said:
Some insurance companies wont immediately notice fronting if parents say their children have access to other cars aswell, possibly this could the case?? op does your brother have access to other cars if so unlikley insurer will go down the fronted route.
Yeah he does. I think some people are getting confused with what fronting is.

Having spoken to my Dad, the main reason he doesn't want to go down the insurance route is that he doesn't think that they would pay out.

Land Rover have also advised him that the insurance are unlikely to pay out as he was doing something stupid and as it was on a beach. I don't know if the slipway says private access only (or whaterber) or not though.

Plus if they did pay out, he pays a huge amount in insurance every year, so a premium rise would cost him a lot.
You said earlier:

10JH said:
I've questioned this with my Dad as well. He said that because he insures both my brother (17) and sister (20) on other cars through his name that he reckons the insurance would take a big knock
These 'other cars' he insures your brother and sister on, would this include your brothers Jazz? Do your brother and sister have their own policies or not? If so I can't understand why he's paying 'a huge amount in insurance every year' just so they can be named drivers on other vehicles, especially if he's not even going to attempt to claim if there's an 'incident'

chrissyr32

736 posts

184 months

Friday 5th March 2010
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Pardon the pun guys.....BUT theres somethng very fishy about this post!!!!!!!

The OP also says that because he enquired about making a claim about a keyed car..that counted as a claim????

Cant be correct can it???