RE: One-Off V8 Atom On Sale In US

[Race2the Redline]

OSGA said:

The Crack Fox said:

I wonder what Ariel make of this ? Someone copying their concept and launching it before them ?

I'd love one

If you read the build diary the project started back in 2006 before Ariel made any announcement about a V8 Atom.

I would love 1 too

I believe Brammo would of made Ariel aware of what Dennis was working on.

R2TR

[GingerWizard]

So Buggatti Veyron, Hennessey Venom, Capro T1, Atom 500, and that CCXR on bio fuel(1054bhp) 0-150mph whos going to win?


I have this feeling the Factory example might be a teeny weeny bit better then this test mule....

[THHLEEDS]

Truly Awesome,

Even with the 100bhp deficit I’d still be mighty miffed if I was waiting for an official one. The cash you could save would pay for an awful lot of track time, hell with that sort of cash you could have your own pit team each track day.

[stephen300o]

I think I would like a bit more aero help with that one.

[nonuts]

That guy is a total genius, I suspect that car is actually better than the 'offical' car will be.

[ArosaMike]

nonuts said:

That guy is a total genius, I suspect that car is actually better than the 'offical' car will be.

I'd strongly agree with that. If you read through his development blog for the car, he highlights the various engineering shortcomings that he came accross and had to fix....like the front uprights that aren't actually strong enough, the front wheel bearings that are unsealed and as a result die after no time at all and the horrendous rocker/damper geometry which puts enough force into the rocker mounds to bend them! There was little he could do about the last one apart from make a modified rocker that reduced the problem somewhat.

I imagine he's selling the Atom to fund his other projects which are fantastic. The detail on them is stunning.

[mickrick]

Jack Frost at Holeshot racing can supply the Hartley H1 (and H2, The 4 pot version)
http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/
Check out John Hartley's website too http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562068.htm

I've found both guys very receptive to enquiries, as I'm planning to put one of these in my Caterham.

Check out the noise this engine makes, it doesn't want to stop revving!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEiN72-0f74

I've also been in touch with Dennis Palatov, a nice guy who's always open with advice.

It's a good price for the Atom, considering the developement and time put into it.

Edited by mickrick on Wednesday 28th April 18:57

[annodomini2]

Gadgeroonie said:

annodomini2 said:

Or is this based on one of those dodgy chinese copies with the 650cc two stroke engine?

have you got a link to this car ?

http://www.nextautos.com/countriesmarkets/china/ho...

[356Speedster]

Dupont666 said:

The Crack Fox said:

I wonder what Ariel make of this ? Someone copying their concept and launching it before them ?

I'd love one

Think you will find that the US one was envisaged first in 11/07/06 a little bit before the offical Atom decision to build a 500.

http://www.dpcars.net/atom.htm

Click on number 2 at the top of the screen

A few things to remember, DP (who is a member of the AAOC, so new of this car is old to us members ) is based on a (US) Brammo Atom 2 chassis and he's had to do a lot of work to get the project finished. He's done a terrific job, but it's not the only bespoke V8 engined Atom out there... a few other folks have done so too using a variety of engines. Weight wise, the article isn't quite right, yes it's lighter than a US (Ecotec) engined Brammo of 2006 vintage, but is actually about the same as a UK Honda engined A2 and heavier than the K-series A1.

The official Atom 500 has been a massive engineering job over the UK Atom 3 and has required huge investment, clearly meaning the higher price tag. As for dates, well, time moves on differently in Somerset, LOL!!

DP has been agreat AAOC member and I look forwards to his next projects!

[robm3]

ArosaMike said:

nonuts said:

That guy is a total genius, I suspect that car is actually better than the 'offical' car will be.

I'd strongly agree with that. If you read through his development blog for the car, he highlights the various engineering shortcomings that he came accross and had to fix....like the front uprights that aren't actually strong enough, the front wheel bearings that are unsealed and as a result die after no time at all and the horrendous rocker/damper geometry which puts enough force into the rocker mounds to bend them! There was little he could do about the last one apart from make a modified rocker that reduced the problem somewhat.

This is also what stood out to me, it looks like Ariel could do a lot worse than contact him directly and discuss the improvements he's made.

And if I was an Atom owner I'd be talking to him about retro-fitting his upgrades.

Hell, I'm even thinking of shipping him my Ultima GTR and seeing what he could do with that, I'd love inboard shocks for example..

[chuntington101]

ArosaMike said:

nonuts said:

That guy is a total genius, I suspect that car is actually better than the 'offical' car will be.

I'd strongly agree with that. If you read through his development blog for the car, he highlights the various engineering shortcomings that he came accross and had to fix....like the front uprights that aren't actually strong enough, the front wheel bearings that are unsealed and as a result die after no time at all and the horrendous rocker/damper geometry which puts enough force into the rocker mounds to bend them! There was little he could do about the last one apart from make a modified rocker that reduced the problem somewhat.

I imagine he's selling the Atom to fund his other projects which are fantastic. The detail on them is stunning.

I think THIS Atom is well over engineered. Like the new fornt upright with the Porsche wheel bearings! i think he actually sells alot of the mods he has done.

Chris.

[BoRED S2upid]

Only 396bhp. No thank you!. Can't this engine be turbo charged? stick a couple of turbos on it and then were talking, a real Mad Max car.

[custardtart]

mickrick said:

Jack Frost at Holeshot racing can supply the Hartley H1 (and H2, The 4 pot version)
http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/
Check out John Hartley's website too http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562068.htm

I've found both guys very receptive to enquiries, as I'm planning to put one of these in my Caterham.

Check out the noise this engine makes, it doesn't want to stop revving!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEiN72-0f74

I've also been in touch with Dennis Palatov, a nice guy who's always open with advice.

It's a good price for the Atom, considering the developement and time put into it.

Edited by mickrick on Wednesday 28th April 18:57

Good to hear they're responsive as i've plans to fit the full fat 500bhp version into an elise chassis If you do put one into your caterham then stick it up on here somewhere, would be very interesting reading. I've seen the one on the Hartley website.

[Dupont666]

If I could release the money from my account and it wasnt all tied up I would be straight across there buying this... cue 30mins after buying it I put it in a hedge... but fk me it would be a good 30mins..

[p1doc]

very nice-wonder if they would build it and ship it to uk...almost same price as my murt!
martin

[Pixel-Snapper]

Jesus, mary and Joseph.....

I did a lap in a Atom 300 round bedford and almost went blind. God knows what would happen in that monster!!!!!!!!1

[BigBen]

robm3 said:

ArosaMike said:

nonuts said:

That guy is a total genius, I suspect that car is actually better than the 'offical' car will be.

I'd strongly agree with that. If you read through his development blog for the car, he highlights the various engineering shortcomings that he came accross and had to fix....like the front uprights that aren't actually strong enough, the front wheel bearings that are unsealed and as a result die after no time at all and the horrendous rocker/damper geometry which puts enough force into the rocker mounds to bend them! There was little he could do about the last one apart from make a modified rocker that reduced the problem somewhat.

This is also what stood out to me, it looks like Ariel could do a lot worse than contact him directly and discuss the improvements he's made.

And if I was an Atom owner I'd be talking to him about retro-fitting his upgrades.

Hell, I'm even thinking of shipping him my Ultima GTR and seeing what he could do with that, I'd love inboard shocks for example..

Ariel undoubtedly speak to him he is not unknown in Ariel circles. The Atom was a test muel for his engine which will ultimatly be fitted in his own DP1 sports car.

If you look at the shortcomings you list they really apply to cars being driven on track on slicks where the forces on wheel bearings are much higher. Also the Brammo cars were not built exactly to UK tollerances / quality. The new US builder, TMI seem to be doing a much better job.

Ben

[arun1uk]

"400hp @ 10,000 RPM"

MENTAL!! This thing is going to sound amazing. I know it's 2 bike engines, but ensuring reliable running at 10k rpm is fantastic stuff.

[nonuts]

arun1uk said:

"400hp @ 10,000 RPM"

MENTAL!! This thing is going to sound amazing.

Take a look around his site, there are a number of videos, it's brilliant!

[mickrick]

custardtart said:

mickrick said:

Jack Frost at Holeshot racing can supply the Hartley H1 (and H2, The 4 pot version)
http://www.holeshot-racing.co.uk/
Check out John Hartley's website too http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562068.htm

I've found both guys very receptive to enquiries, as I'm planning to put one of these in my Caterham.

Check out the noise this engine makes, it doesn't want to stop revving!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEiN72-0f74

I've also been in touch with Dennis Palatov, a nice guy who's always open with advice.

It's a good price for the Atom, considering the developement and time put into it.

Edited by mickrick on Wednesday 28th April 18:57

Good to hear they're responsive as i've plans to fit the full fat 500bhp version into an elise chassis If you do put one into your caterham then stick it up on here somewhere, would be very interesting reading. I've seen the one on the Hartley website.

I don't think John has managed 500 hp yet, with the first 3.0 engine.
But I'm sure he'll get there. Jack almost certainly will get the best out of it, as he assembles the engines himself, using the Hartley bottom ends, and his own top ends.
He's planning on building a twin turbo version.
Me, I'm going to be happy with the 2.8 and circa 400hp. Plenty in a 575 kg car.