RE: EU Kills 1.8-litre Lotuses

[BBS-LM]

When you put this article online did you intentionally make the paragraphs different sizes. And why?

[jcev39]

Lets just clarify a few things here:

1) As others have said Euro Standards for emissions do not include anything on CO2.
2) Euro 4 emissions standards requires less than 100 mg/km of HC, 80mg/km NOx and 1000 mg/km of CO. Euro 5 requires less than 100 mg/km of HC (with a limit of 68 mg/km Non-Methane HC), 60mg/km NOx and 1000 mg/km of CO. This is NOT a big increase in stringency at all! NOx shouldn't be an issue for gasoline engines and the aftertreatment technology (3-way cats) is more than capable of sorting this out.
3) Durability requirements have increased for Euro 5 and I believe there is now a requirement for deterioration factors to be used (so you can't just pass the test with a brand new engine which then fails 10mins later - hardly a serious increase in stringency).

I'm no fan of the EU - they deserve a good kicking for so many things - but it seems a bit much to blame them for this! I suspect that the biggest issue is likely to be one of electronics. One area where the new standards do up the bar is in On-Board Diagnostics which Toyota may simply not be supporting with this engine (the engine is getting pretty old now). As for the next Elise / Exige, it would seem sensible for Lotus to use the next generation of the Toyota engine.

Hope this informs...

JohnE

[mackie1]

BBS-LM said:

When you put this article online did you intentionally make the paragraphs different sizes. And why?

Wierd. Is the on a Mac? I'd forgotten how ropey the font anti-aliasing looks.

[anonymous-user]

B10 said:

MSTRBKR said:

Methane is 20x more harmful to the environment than CO2, that's a fact.

Kill all the cows I say. Milk is disgusting anyway and bacon is a better form of meat. Win win situation.

Go vegan.

Vegan is a mental disorder.

[e635815]

Euro 5 is announced for a long time already... Every car manufacturer wanting to sell cars in Europe knows about the compliance date and must have taken measures to conform to these standards. Hence, Lotus knew long time beforehand that Toyota was going to stop production of their engine and that they had to find a replacement.
It is not a last moment decision taking everybody by surprise. Just wait and see what will pop-up after they have sold the last few Euro 4 cars.

[Mr Gear]

MSTRBKR said:

B10 said:

MSTRBKR said:

Methane is 20x more harmful to the environment than CO2, that's a fact.

Kill all the cows I say. Milk is disgusting anyway and bacon is a better form of meat. Win win situation.

Go vegan.

Vegan is a mental disorder.

And so is thinking like you. Not only is methane emitted by cows comprised of carbon formally existing as atmospheric CO2, it is also unstable and breaks down very rapidly. Unlike CO2 which is stable for eternity.

Are you another person having a tantrum about CO2 in a thread that is about Euro emissions targets?

Edited by Mr Gear on Monday 21st June 13:28

[The Pits]

Shame either way.

It's a great engine and particularly enjoyable in an Elise/Exige.

Whatever they replace it with, I shall be keeping mine until they find an engine that can top 8500rpm.

[ZesPak]

BBS-LM said:

When you put this article online did you intentionally make the paragraphs different sizes. And why?

Html code looks as clean as it can be, so obvious some ropey browser/OS you got there.

Mac?

[german tony]

Damn & blast these treacherous EU bureucrats, how dare they make the place less messy with their evil regulations?

[jbi]

madness... before long we will be fred flintstoning it

[petrolveins]

RobCrezz said:

leon9191 said:

petrolveins said:

Mr Gear said:

petrolveins said:

Mr Gear said:

petrolveins said:

jazzdevil said:

rypt said:

God damn EU regs

+1

The same regs have killed the RX8 too... so who/what is next on the hit-list?

Damn all these cars being killed off before I can afford to own them. Words cannot describe the loathing and hate I have for these cretinous environmentalists. They choose cars because for some reason they are an easy target. Sort out the bigger issues first! I could rant all day, but co2 is something like a 0.04% part of the global warming bks so why focus on that, what about the other 99.6%???? What about planes, power-stations, volcanoes even!

Phewww.... deeep breath and... relax.

You're an idiot. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_sta...

Thanks for that, and yes I have read it, I only chose to mention CO2, I can write an essay on the whole situation if you prefer? My other point about cars being a small part of the problem still also stands. But thanks all the same.

Well since you were talking about the cars being killed off and then went on to talk about CO2, when in fact there is no limit on CO2 in the emissions, I just jumped to a crazy crazy conclusion that you didn't understand what Euro emissions targets were about. Forgive me if what you were actually doing was posting a confusing post that had a rambling point to make.

Edited by Mr Gear on Monday 21st June 12:51

Ok no worries, yeah I can never make clear points about anything global warming related, just makes my blood boil, sorry about that.

why does it make your blood boil?

Global warming... duh dum, tish!

I know that's awful but

A number of reasons, I won't go into here, there's another thread for that somewhere. It's just those that jump on the anti-car wagon and go about preaching the end of the world if you use your car, when they really don't have any of their facts straight. I must say it's a great subject to have very long discussion about. My neighbor for instance is a very interesting man, used to work for Shell, and spends a lot of his time keeping up with developments in everything climate change, some really fascinating stuff that really more people should know before they embarrass each other and chain themselves to Range Rovers. My phyisics teacher is also what one could call a sceptic, and he really knows his stuff, also has some interesting ideas. One for instance is that all this global warming talk was started by Maggie in the 80s so she could try and build some nuclear power-stations and stop relying on coal.

[RobM77]

Graham said:

blimey an elise is 40k these days... and people still think TVR should be able to build a car with a v8 and flog it for less than 30k

The original basic Elise was about £21k, and if you put that into an inflation calculator, such as readily available online, you get about £30k, and the present base model is even less than that I think. Ergo, £40k for a top of the range Elise seems reasonable.

[Lawrence5]

varsas said:

Autocar 2nd June 2010, page 19 seems to suggest Lotus are going to fit the Exige with the Evora's V6 engine. I doubted it at the time but maybe it is all part of this?

Ding - Paris moshow will reveal all

[RobM77]

MSTRBKR said:

B10 said:

MSTRBKR said:

Methane is 20x more harmful to the environment than CO2, that's a fact.

Kill all the cows I say. Milk is disgusting anyway and bacon is a better form of meat. Win win situation.

Go vegan.

Vegan is a mental disorder.

and so is preferring bacon, which is like tangy cardboard, to fillet steak, which is gastronomically amazing

[BBS-LM]

mackie1 said:

BBS-LM said:

When you put this article online did you intentionally make the paragraphs different sizes. And why?

Wierd. Is the on a Mac? I'd forgotten how ropey the font anti-aliasing looks.

MAC, Safari 5.

[vetteheadracer]

So pleased I've just bought bought my Exige.

[BBS-LM]

ZesPak said:

BBS-LM said:

When you put this article online did you intentionally make the paragraphs different sizes. And why?

Html code looks as clean as it can be, so obvious some ropey browser/OS you got there.

Mac?

Odd, I must have a font conflict somewhere.

[Mr Will]

Can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet, but how can you have an RGB special edition available in 4 different colours?

[kambites]

Mr Will said:

Can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet, but how can you have an RGB special edition available in 4 different colours?

It's not. It's available in one colour and various shades of gray.

[ZesPak]

BBS-LM said:

ZesPak said:

BBS-LM said:

When you put this article online did you intentionally make the paragraphs different sizes. And why?

Html code looks as clean as it can be, so obvious some ropey browser/OS you got there.

Mac?

Odd, I must have a font conflict somewhere.

I'm a web developer, and there are two browsers I hate "fine tuning" the websites for:
- IE
- Mac Safari combo

But because of the small target group, I usually don't bother with the latter