RE: Driven: Audi A1 1.4 TFSI
Discussion
Twincam16 said:
they could have taken the very best from that end of the VAG parts bin, with a 4WD drivetrain, TSI engine as standard and aluminium bodywork keeping the weight down. That short wheelbase coupled with the urgent turbo and low centre of gravity would have resulted in a kind of mini-Group-B tearaway that would 'just happen' to appeal to urbanites as well.
It would end up costing £30k+. Those same urbanites can just get a TT or S3 instead.excel monkey said:
Twincam16 said:
they could have taken the very best from that end of the VAG parts bin, with a 4WD drivetrain, TSI engine as standard and aluminium bodywork keeping the weight down. That short wheelbase coupled with the urgent turbo and low centre of gravity would have resulted in a kind of mini-Group-B tearaway that would 'just happen' to appeal to urbanites as well.
It would end up costing £30k+. Those same urbanites can just get a TT or S3 instead.va1o said:
Clivey said:
Totally agree with you there.
Out of interest, I've just been on their online configurator and specced-up an A3 to the same level as my Citroen C4 - it came out at over £21,000. For a 1.6 diesel!
I don't know about anyone else here, but I can think of hundreds of better ways to spend that kind of money. That could buy you a 996 C2 facelift these days!
£21k list for a well specced 1.6 TDI CR A3 is about what you would expect to pay these days. Remember that price will come down with 4 figure discounts after haggling.Out of interest, I've just been on their online configurator and specced-up an A3 to the same level as my Citroen C4 - it came out at over £21,000. For a 1.6 diesel!
I don't know about anyone else here, but I can think of hundreds of better ways to spend that kind of money. That could buy you a 996 C2 facelift these days!
Go and look at what Ford or VW charge for a Focus or Golf of the same spec, it won't be any cheaper.
Edited by va1o on Tuesday 22 June 19:15
TheRoadWarrior said:
excel monkey said:
Twincam16 said:
they could have taken the very best from that end of the VAG parts bin, with a 4WD drivetrain, TSI engine as standard and aluminium bodywork keeping the weight down. That short wheelbase coupled with the urgent turbo and low centre of gravity would have resulted in a kind of mini-Group-B tearaway that would 'just happen' to appeal to urbanites as well.
It would end up costing £30k+. Those same urbanites can just get a TT or S3 instead.Benjman said:
Just to stop any upcoming confusion:
There will be NO FWD 1 series from BMW. The 1 series will share the platform with the 3 series, and both will stay RWD.
There will be a new model below the 1 series, probably not with the BMW badge, to avoid naming it 0-series.
Well said, seems Autocar are responsible for the misunderstanding as they posted up an inaccurate article claiming BMW are going to simultaneously sell a small FWD 1-series and a bigger RWD 1-series, which is not the case.There will be NO FWD 1 series from BMW. The 1 series will share the platform with the 3 series, and both will stay RWD.
There will be a new model below the 1 series, probably not with the BMW badge, to avoid naming it 0-series.
Froomee said:
I paid just over £16000 for a Focus ST-2 brand new out of the dealership, a friend purchased a new Astra VXR racing for under £18000 can some explain how someone would spend basically the same on an A1 with a mere 120BHP and no options??? I appreciate they are different markets but surely this is a no brainer for most! Im guessing the two cars i mentioned will be worth more in three years too which whould offset the running costs if it's for personal use???
Your comparing the discount price of the Focus you bought with the list price of the Audi.Using just the list prices, a run of the mill Ford Focus 1.8 125 Zetec 5dr Manual Hatch comes in at £19,195.00. The diesel variant (TDCI 110) comes in at £20,195.00. This is before any options.
frosted said:
Because you bought out of date cars that are already worth 10k after 1 month. This is priced as the new fiesta , and I know which one I rather have
Think you will find 2 year old examples with average mileage are Circa £13.5k-£14.5K and a new Focus ST and Astra VXR will not be around until late 2011 at the earliest. Either way new model or old(depending how you view it) given the choice most petrolheads would choose the two cars above for the same money! Motoring press compare cars at their list price which means nothing(certain car manufactuers offer ridiculous discounts if you know where to look) which effectively renders like for like comparisons useless(considering most people purchase a car based on there budget)fact is depreciation will be around £3k over two years for my car or £125 p/m my insurance is £700 per year(£58 p/m) see what A1 you can get on lease for £183 p/m or buy and insure for that money. The fact you did not research your statement and would rather have a fiesta over the two aforementioned cars sums up the validility of your statement especially considering a new fiesta zetec s would have probably cost the same to buy(in depreciation) and insure as my Focus ST . Generally speaking if you are going to be sarcastic make sure you have a basis of intelligence.....Just for your information spending £1200 on my car effectively makes it comparible in performance terms to an S3 and doesn't effect the warranty so go figure??? and considering the size of my car and the options my car has once mountuned my car will then be comparible to an S3 let alone a basic A1 only a lot cheaper.
va1o said:
Froomee said:
I paid just over £16000 for a Focus ST-2 brand new out of the dealership, a friend purchased a new Astra VXR racing for under £18000 can some explain how someone would spend basically the same on an A1 with a mere 120BHP and no options??? I appreciate they are different markets but surely this is a no brainer for most! Im guessing the two cars i mentioned will be worth more in three years too which whould offset the running costs if it's for personal use???
Your comparing the discount price of the Focus you bought with the list price of the Audi.Using just the list prices, a run of the mill Ford Focus 1.8 125 Zetec 5dr Manual Hatch comes in at £19,195.00. The diesel variant (TDCI 110) comes in at £20,195.00. This is before any options.
Benjman said:
300bhp/ton said:
Is it just me, or is this an amazingly, yawn achingly dull car?
I'm definitely with you. It's just another desperate attempt of a german "premium manufacturer" to win some market share in the small hatchback class. It's not only dull but also overpriced.Edited by 300bhp/ton on Tuesday 22 June 13:06
Audi A1
I'm no fan of BMW but to drive a 1-series is anything but dull (in fact, it's the best drive in their range imho).
This Audi is uglier than a Polo, a lot more expensive and from the sound of it not better to drive.
As they said themselves: "We made this audi so that people who couldn't afford one can now"
This car will therefore be bought for the badge, because (imho) that's all it's got going for it.
The BMW 1/Mini also have their fair load of badge snobs but they have other things going for them (being that they are very good to drive).
Audi missed out with this one imho.
ZesPak said:
...Mini also have their fair load of badge snobs but they have other things going for them (being that they are very good to drive)...
Have to disagree with the Mini being good to drive as I don't get on with mine at all and would rate my R56 Cooper (120bhp) below the previous Panda 1.1 in handling terms. Corners that I'd happily take in that at 30mph (on its door handles with all four skinnies howling) I struggle to get round in the Mini mid-20s without the grind of understeer. It's far below the 96 Megane Coupé that I would point at a particularly twisty hill-climb with relish, balancing on the throttle at 50mph, and avoid in the Mini which did little more than make horrid front-end scrabbling grindy noises at 40. The turn in is either sweet or "OMG is the steering wheel even connected" - problem being I have no idea which until in the corner. Then there's the hideous torque steer at over 4K revs in second or third where it tries to throw itself bodily into the near-side hedge (heaven knows what it's like on an S with half the power again!), while utility trenches have to be approached with respect as they totally unsettle the line.As an owner of a new TT, I am totally underwhelmed with Audi quality and the service from Audi Dealers. Audis these days seem to be all brand and no substance, and I wont be falling for it again.
In this segment I would have a DS3 every time. It has style and affordability and will be different once the roads are flooded with A1s.
In this segment I would have a DS3 every time. It has style and affordability and will be different once the roads are flooded with A1s.
sad61t said:
ZesPak said:
...Mini also have their fair load of badge snobs but they have other things going for them (being that they are very good to drive)...
Have to disagree with the Mini being good to drive as I don't get on with mine at all and would rate my R56 Cooper (120bhp) below the previous Panda 1.1 in handling terms. Corners that I'd happily take in that at 30mph (on its door handles with all four skinnies howling) I struggle to get round in the Mini mid-20s without the grind of understeer. It's far below the 96 Megane Coupé that I would point at a particularly twisty hill-climb with relish, balancing on the throttle at 50mph, and avoid in the Mini which did little more than make horrid front-end scrabbling grindy noises at 40. The turn in is either sweet or "OMG is the steering wheel even connected" - problem being I have no idea which until in the corner. Then there's the hideous torque steer at over 4K revs in second or third where it tries to throw itself bodily into the near-side hedge (heaven knows what it's like on an S with half the power again!), while utility trenches have to be approached with respect as they totally unsettle the line.sad61t said:
ZesPak said:
...Mini also have their fair load of badge snobs but they have other things going for them (being that they are very good to drive)...
Have to disagree with the Mini being good to drive as I don't get on with mine at all and would rate my R56 Cooper (120bhp) below the previous Panda 1.1 in handling terms. Corners that I'd happily take in that at 30mph (on its door handles with all four skinnies howling) I struggle to get round in the Mini mid-20s without the grind of understeer. It's far below the 96 Megane Coupé that I would point at a particularly twisty hill-climb with relish, balancing on the throttle at 50mph, and avoid in the Mini which did little more than make horrid front-end scrabbling grindy noises at 40. The turn in is either sweet or "OMG is the steering wheel even connected" - problem being I have no idea which until in the corner. Then there's the hideous torque steer at over 4K revs in second or third where it tries to throw itself bodily into the near-side hedge (heaven knows what it's like on an S with half the power again!), while utility trenches have to be approached with respect as they totally unsettle the line.va1o said:
£21k list for a well specced 1.6 TDI CR A3 is about what you would expect to pay these days. Remember that price will come down with 4 figure discounts after haggling.
Go and look at what Ford or VW charge for a Focus or Golf of the same spec, it won't be any cheaper.]
Audi = VW anyway...the Focus is also very overpriced.Go and look at what Ford or VW charge for a Focus or Golf of the same spec, it won't be any cheaper.]
There are two things I'd like to point-out here: Firstly, you can get a similarly specced brand new Astra, which is a better car, for £16,500 before haggling from a Vauxhall dealer. I suspect the same is true of the Focus. You will not get a brand new A3 Sport from an Audi dealer for anything like that without resorting to sexual favours.
Secondly: Who here would rather spend £21k on a slow-ish A3 3-door when you could buy a one year old, 10k mile 320d Coupé / Merc C220CDI for the same money?
The point I'm trying to make is that £21k for a 1.6 diesel hatch is crazy money - the only people who will pay that are so desperate for a "premium" badge that they don't care that they're getting a car that is firstly very average compared to the competition and secondly so overpriced that they could buy a new-ish luxury motor with the same cash.
I don't really undersatnd the whole "premium" thing. A lady near me had an Astra twintop convertible thingy and recently changed it for a white 1 series convertible. Now, to me, they are both small, ugly cars with no real social standing or acumen for people who can't afford a proper car.
Heaven knows waht it cost though she's clearly not short of a bob or two judging by the house - but I suspect she bought it "because it's a BMW" and not "because I find it amusing".
Heaven knows waht it cost though she's clearly not short of a bob or two judging by the house - but I suspect she bought it "because it's a BMW" and not "because I find it amusing".
Why all this claptrap about the BMW or Audi brands? How many people here would not be seen dead in an Asda t shirt and jeans? Oh no, it has to be Armani (or whatever designer).
People make choices in life, not everyone likes the same things or has the same values. That doesn't mean Audi shouldn't make a car to appeal to a certain demographic. Why can't people understand this? Most people have no clue why an enthusiast would want to drive something like a Caterham 7(noisy, no weather protection, no radio, no airbags...), but that doesn't mean Mr Caterham driver is wrong/a fool.
People make choices in life, not everyone likes the same things or has the same values. That doesn't mean Audi shouldn't make a car to appeal to a certain demographic. Why can't people understand this? Most people have no clue why an enthusiast would want to drive something like a Caterham 7(noisy, no weather protection, no radio, no airbags...), but that doesn't mean Mr Caterham driver is wrong/a fool.
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