RE: Mercedes E-cell: The Electric SLS

[bigburd]

Spotted it today o

We were driving down the Atlantic Road in Norway on the PH/PN Viking Tour - I cannot believe Harsh and Pete didn't tell us about this gem before we started the tour ... Thanks to the kind chaps from Mercedes/AMG etc

[Mr Gear]

bigburd said:

Spotted it today o

We were driving down the Atlantic Road in Norway on the PH/PN Viking Tour - I cannot believe Harsh and Pete didn't tell us about this gem before we started the tour ... Thanks to the kind chaps from Mercedes/AMG etc

TOP WORK THAT MAN! Good to see under the bonnet

[NWVT]

Me also on the tour in Norway and that car is pure sex and I have lots of photos to upload at some stage nice work ian

[bigburd]

Yeah an in the foot well of the passenger seat is a big red STOP button

Nick Williams has some better pics and we also have some video as well but think they will be winging their way to PH Towers directly

[traffman]

That car is crying out for a digital recording of a phat v12.

You just cant whoosh along in that IT NEEDS VOLUME DAMMIT!

[VerySideways]

And a little video from today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QebhskAoG2A

[soad]

Looks cracking, and I normally loathe those electric motors.

Top spotting- great photos, cheers for the video link too.

[hairykrishna]

Parrot of Doom said:

I think we'll see electric cars take off the moment someone invents a battery that can be recharged in seconds, and not hours.

I don't think such a thing is all that far away. Imagine filling your car up with electricity, at a fuel station, in 5 minutes. I'd definitely have an electric car that could do that.

A battery pack that can receive >50kWh of charge in 5 minutes is a very long way away. How you even deliver that sort of power to the car in a safe manner is far from a trivial exercise.

[s2art]

hairykrishna said:

Parrot of Doom said:

I think we'll see electric cars take off the moment someone invents a battery that can be recharged in seconds, and not hours.

I don't think such a thing is all that far away. Imagine filling your car up with electricity, at a fuel station, in 5 minutes. I'd definitely have an electric car that could do that.

A battery pack that can receive >50kWh of charge in 5 minutes is a very long way away. How you even deliver that sort of power to the car in a safe manner is far from a trivial exercise.

Well, maybe. The latest high tech flywheel systems have the potential. If they can move on to carbon nanotube based flywheels at a sane cost it may well be possible.

[GTRene]

great spot, nice car...this way they can do more with suspension and airflow and other things.
ofcorse we miss the V8 sound, but its a nice EV car.

[hairykrishna]

s2art said:

hairykrishna said:

Parrot of Doom said:

I think we'll see electric cars take off the moment someone invents a battery that can be recharged in seconds, and not hours.

I don't think such a thing is all that far away. Imagine filling your car up with electricity, at a fuel station, in 5 minutes. I'd definitely have an electric car that could do that.

A battery pack that can receive >50kWh of charge in 5 minutes is a very long way away. How you even deliver that sort of power to the car in a safe manner is far from a trivial exercise.

Well, maybe. The latest high tech flywheel systems have the potential. If they can move on to carbon nanotube based flywheels at a sane cost it may well be possible.

Really? I didn't think anyone built a car sized system that gets anywhere near that charge rate. What's are the current cutting edge specs? Carbon nanotube systems are decades away is my bet.

[s2art]

hairykrishna said:

s2art said:

hairykrishna said:

Parrot of Doom said:

I think we'll see electric cars take off the moment someone invents a battery that can be recharged in seconds, and not hours.

I don't think such a thing is all that far away. Imagine filling your car up with electricity, at a fuel station, in 5 minutes. I'd definitely have an electric car that could do that.

A battery pack that can receive >50kWh of charge in 5 minutes is a very long way away. How you even deliver that sort of power to the car in a safe manner is far from a trivial exercise.

Well, maybe. The latest high tech flywheel systems have the potential. If they can move on to carbon nanotube based flywheels at a sane cost it may well be possible.

Really? I didn't think anyone built a car sized system that gets anywhere near that charge rate. What's are the current cutting edge specs? Carbon nanotube systems are decades away is my bet.

I think the work done by Lawrence Livermore has produced flywheels with similar energy densities to lithium batteries, using carbon fibre flywheels. Big advantage is their charge/discharge rates (minutes) and longevity (decades). Also they are more efficient at approx 90-95% of input charge, do not need cooling and are not harmed by deep discharge.
Potential disadvantages are that the bearings may not be strong enough to handle being rotated (gyroscopic effects), but this maybe just a matter of developing one to suit automobile applications.

[JonnyVTEC]

s2art said:

hairykrishna said:

Parrot of Doom said:

I think we'll see electric cars take off the moment someone invents a battery that can be recharged in seconds, and not hours.

I don't think such a thing is all that far away. Imagine filling your car up with electricity, at a fuel station, in 5 minutes. I'd definitely have an electric car that could do that.

A battery pack that can receive >50kWh of charge in 5 minutes is a very long way away. How you even deliver that sort of power to the car in a safe manner is far from a trivial exercise.

Well, maybe. The latest high tech flywheel systems have the potential. If they can move on to carbon nanotube based flywheels at a sane cost it may well be possible.

We've covered thats thats a far less likely solution in the other thread. Same loads on the grid to spin the thing up aswell.

Is the cost of a carbon nanotube flywheel the prohibiting factor or is it more that they don't actually exist outside a textbook?

Sorted the graph reading out yet ? :P

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Tuesday 22 June 19:14

[s2art]

JonnyVTEC said:

s2art said:

hairykrishna said:

Parrot of Doom said:

I think we'll see electric cars take off the moment someone invents a battery that can be recharged in seconds, and not hours.

I don't think such a thing is all that far away. Imagine filling your car up with electricity, at a fuel station, in 5 minutes. I'd definitely have an electric car that could do that.

A battery pack that can receive >50kWh of charge in 5 minutes is a very long way away. How you even deliver that sort of power to the car in a safe manner is far from a trivial exercise.

Well, maybe. The latest high tech flywheel systems have the potential. If they can move on to carbon nanotube based flywheels at a sane cost it may well be possible.

We've covered thats thats a far less likely solution in the other thread. Same loads on the grid to spin the thing up aswell.

Is the cost of a carbon nanotube flywheel the prohibiting factor or is it more that they don't actually exist outside a textbook?

Sorted the graph reading out yet ? :P

Edited by JonnyVTEC on Tuesday 22 June 19:14

Yes thanks. Lots of people working with nanotubes, but as yet too expensive to use in a flywheel. Needs R&D to find ways of mass producing them cheaply. Still, even the carbon fibre ones have the potential to replace batteries, with big advantages in charge up times.

[Jigsjigz]

as long as it goes over
100miles in 1 charge of no more then 3hours
Does 0-60 in less then 8 seconds
Goes over 80mph
and dont handle like a truck and look like a smart car im happy

Give me 1 ill test it all yearlong.

[traffman]

Whats a Carbon Nano tube?

[ukwill]

Galsia said:

That colour doesn't help with what is an already revolting looking car.

There's simply no accounting for taste.

[Benjman]

traffman said:

Whats a Carbon Nano tube?

Carbon nano tubes are small tubes made from pure carbon, similar to a carbon fiber. The difference is the tubular shape with a diameter of approx. 25 nm and wall thickness of approx. 0,35 nm. The physical properties are better than a similar fiber and has even less weight.



OK, quit teacher mode.
First of all, it is nearly impossible to ruin the SLS. But - please don't get me wrong - it's the wrong way to start the electric drive revolution. Who want's to buy a performance car which you can enjoy for about 30 mins before running out of juice. I would instantly buy a small electric car, as long as it is a proper car and reasonable priced (and I don't want to hear any G-Wiz argument now, I'm talking about a PROPER car, not a pain in the ).
There are so many things, we could do with crude oil. But we are simply burning it. I mean, in winter you don't take all your bucks out of the wallet to make a proper fire, do you? Why do with a precious good like oil.

I'm a petrolhead through and through, and because of that I want to enjoy a V8 in a few years, too. But for all day use, the electric drive is a great alternative.

Edited by Benjman on Tuesday 22 June 21:17

[Matt Harper]

JumpinJack said:

JonnyVTEC said:

Mr Gear said:

nsmith1180 said:

TheRoadWarrior said:

JumpinJack said:

I've never understood why none of these electric cars don't incorporate solar panels anywhere? Shirley it would help?! But obviously have a knock on it's apperance.

...Help with what exactly? Running the interior light?!


A solar panel the size of the roof would probably deliver a couple of amps at best in ideal conditions.. these motors are using hundreds of amps.

Every little helps said the man as he pissed in the sea. But i see where you are coming from, the panel would probably only just produce enough juice to move its additional weight over CF panels.

If you left it parked in the sun all day it would probably provide a significant extra charge for the drive home. But there is a weight penalty and it would do little to boost actual range whilst driving.

If you lives 4 miles away, had 8 hours of full mid summer sunlight and 8 square meters of roof and bonnet.... maybe? Weight penalty?!?! Next to nothing, serious cost though and for little gain. Such a charge would cost 10p off the grid.

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT!!!! jesus... I only suggested it. I don't even fg like electric cars!

Doesn't the solar roof on the current Toyota Prius provide enough power to run the A/C? They claim so in their TV ads.....

[Killer2005]

I actually really like that colour, however I'd need it to sound like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBq3eUJyjjs