RE: Dagger GT Tilts At 300MPH Barrier
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TonyHetherington said:
G_T said:
300mph in a road car...
How many horses does that require then? Thousands?
Just read the title, huh? How many horses does that require then? Thousands?
Yes 2000 sounds about right.... At least I wasn't the first person to say it was pointless and/or will never happen!
This is what I hope the Zonda C9 will look like. Are you looking Horacio?
That aside - if it was so easy-peesy to make a car a, do 300 mph sustainably...b, whilst holding a shape that looks this bloody good... and c, also maintaining a unit cost less than half a million dollars then just what actually is the Bugatti Veyron?!
Where will the necessary 16 radiators fit to stop it melting all over the road?
What will it weigh considering the drive train will need to handle truck-torque?
And what the hell does a 500mph-rated tyre look like anyway?
I'll personally conclude that seeing will be believing - but, let's not detract from that stunning design.
If they want to just sell that sexy chassis with an established drive-train then bring it on.
That aside - if it was so easy-peesy to make a car a, do 300 mph sustainably...b, whilst holding a shape that looks this bloody good... and c, also maintaining a unit cost less than half a million dollars then just what actually is the Bugatti Veyron?!
Where will the necessary 16 radiators fit to stop it melting all over the road?
What will it weigh considering the drive train will need to handle truck-torque?
And what the hell does a 500mph-rated tyre look like anyway?
I'll personally conclude that seeing will be believing - but, let's not detract from that stunning design.
If they want to just sell that sexy chassis with an established drive-train then bring it on.
Publicity stunt.
"Look, you could have 2000bhp and do 300mph. Or you could have a dragster version complete with parachutes. Or you could have a land speed version with 500mph tyres. But yes of course we'll do you one with an Ls9 sir, please sign here..."
And now they've got our attention....
"Look, you could have 2000bhp and do 300mph. Or you could have a dragster version complete with parachutes. Or you could have a land speed version with 500mph tyres. But yes of course we'll do you one with an Ls9 sir, please sign here..."
And now they've got our attention....
Can't argue with what's been said; that is a very fine looking car. However I would put money on the car being pretty near undrivable with that kind of power and presumably it's not 4WD, which would also make the 0-60 time look pretty unbelievable without recourse to drag slicks. Why can't they stuff a tuned Alpha v6 in it? Give it 400-500 bhp and leave it at that. Work on the suspension, spend some time making the car drive as well as it looks.
I don't imagine that, with most cars, adding more power beyond about 600-700bhp is going to improve the 0-60 time either, surely it's traction limited? And they might want to put a roof on the thing before going for 300mph.
I don't imagine that, with most cars, adding more power beyond about 600-700bhp is going to improve the 0-60 time either, surely it's traction limited? And they might want to put a roof on the thing before going for 300mph.
I'm sure they would sell loads more cars if they had 500-600bhp and forgot about all the top speed bulls
t. It will eat up so much development money to get the thing to do 300mph, that they go bust before they finish it. The design looks great so build the base model and think about the 300 million mph model later.
IIRC the first Pagani Zonda only had 400 bhp. Mr Pagani didn't say "Hey dudes lets beat the Nurburgring lap record with 750bhp car that will do xxxmph" They made a car that worked and kept improving it.
t. It will eat up so much development money to get the thing to do 300mph, that they go bust before they finish it. The design looks great so build the base model and think about the 300 million mph model later.IIRC the first Pagani Zonda only had 400 bhp. Mr Pagani didn't say "Hey dudes lets beat the Nurburgring lap record with 750bhp car that will do xxxmph" They made a car that worked and kept improving it.
Edited by markCSC on Wednesday 7th July 13:14
The 'routinely built racing engine' sounds an awful lot like a supercharged pro-mod dragster engine (or similar)... build for withstanding 5 or 6 seconds at full power. That's with open headers too. I don't see how it could get near 2000 hp with road-car reliability and silencers. I'm not sure how it would count as a road car running on Nitromethane or alcohol race fuel either
There's no way it would put that power through two relatively narrow road tyres effectively... unless it had Veyron-like active aerodynamics and suspension. (quite pricey to develop)
the shape doesn't look particularly suited to going 200mph let alone 300... they're not seriously going to leave the roof off and have all those drag-inducing holes all over it?
on the plus side, it is a lot prettier than the usual kit-car bks these US tuners turn out
There's no way it would put that power through two relatively narrow road tyres effectively... unless it had Veyron-like active aerodynamics and suspension. (quite pricey to develop)
the shape doesn't look particularly suited to going 200mph let alone 300... they're not seriously going to leave the roof off and have all those drag-inducing holes all over it?
on the plus side, it is a lot prettier than the usual kit-car b
ks these US tuners turn outjains15 said:
Publicity stunt.
"Look, you could have 2000bhp and do 300mph. Or you could have a dragster version complete with parachutes. Or you could have a land speed version with 500mph tyres. But yes of course we'll do you one with an Ls9 sir, please sign here..."
And now they've got our attention....
Exactly."Look, you could have 2000bhp and do 300mph. Or you could have a dragster version complete with parachutes. Or you could have a land speed version with 500mph tyres. But yes of course we'll do you one with an Ls9 sir, please sign here..."
And now they've got our attention....
The way I read it was that they are going to get a base car, produce one version that will do 300mph, produce another that will do 0-60 in 1.5s and then other versions for road and track. As far as I'm concerned the road version they pump out will probably not be able to do 300mph and 0-60 in 1.5s.
Well, if a bloke in a shed can turn a 1972 Vauxhall Victor into a 2,200hp beast that does 0-60 in 1 second, surely this is possible! Though I don't think the Victor managed much more than 190mph - but it's hardly areodynamic!
If they can do it in Veyron style luxury however, I doubt very much!
If they can do it in Veyron style luxury however, I doubt very much!
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