RE: M6 Production Ends
Discussion
10 Pence Short said:
manand38 said:
Some interesting 'Ringy' stats:
8:07.76 152.04 km/h - BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
Doesn't seem very interesting. Different days, different drivers.8:07.76 152.04 km/h - BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg, Prinz Luitpold von Bayern (AutoBild 02/06)
8:13 --- 150.43 km/h - BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/04)
Does anyone actually think 'Ring figures prove anything? It's a bit like Plato and Tiff and believeing you will ever be able to drive at 5/10ths of their ability.
tdm34ds said:
OllieWinchester said:
Knightmorph said:
Still it is a lot of car for under 30k when compared to a ten year old 996 turbo which it will beast in a straight line acceleration.....
Will it?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RTde309nCA
Secondly here a gallardo gets some dry clothes on.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUfJ94aKO0g
I read somewhere that a de-restricted M6 will also slaughter a Nissan GTR by 2-3 seconds to 180mph....not a very relevant statistic in the real world.....but still nice to hear zee Germans giving the Japanese rice cooker a run for its money......
V88Dicky said:
Brian McGee said:
v10, 8000rpm (ish)??, whats not to like.
Nice.But a twin-turbo V8 is hardly going to perform or dare I say it, sound 'less good' is it?
But, in my view the TTV8 will be a much better 'road' engine.
And I agree that I think BMW seriously dropped a huge clanger by not putting the V10 into a R8 rivaling, 'new' M1 supercar
Looks fantastic in white
The gearbox was good too. It was clunky if you didn't lift off changing up or down (I followed Tiff Needell's advice and was making smooth changes from the first gear change).
The iDrive is not that bad either, the only thing I didn't like was the Sat Nav but it literally took less than 2 minutes to set it up correctly.
I don't know why people moan about these car. The M5 cars massive praise yet this gets rubbished despite it being more or less the same car underneath the skin.
Nay, scratch that, I think it's even better than the M6, it looks absolutely mega if you get it in the right colour.
The gearbox was good too. It was clunky if you didn't lift off changing up or down (I followed Tiff Needell's advice and was making smooth changes from the first gear change).
The iDrive is not that bad either, the only thing I didn't like was the Sat Nav but it literally took less than 2 minutes to set it up correctly.
I don't know why people moan about these car. The M5 cars massive praise yet this gets rubbished despite it being more or less the same car underneath the skin.
Nay, scratch that, I think it's even better than the M6, it looks absolutely mega if you get it in the right colour.
Edited by Schermerhorn on Friday 23 July 17:21
LuS1fer said:
Both slower than the Cadillac CTS-V.
Which has 60-odd more HP and weighs about the same. Which in turn, is slower than a 7-year-old M3 with some light wheels and sticky tyres.As you said yourself, 'ring times are only the most basic of indicators towards the road performance of a car.
Edited by ManOpener on Friday 23 July 17:55
sootyrumble said:
E21_Ross said:
plus he's taken a seriously ugly tuned version 
he just thinks his RX8 is quicker than an M6. let him think it if it makes him happy.
he just thinks his RX8 is quicker than an M6. let him think it if it makes him happy.
LOL i never said an RX8 was quicker, i stated an M6 struggled in a particular situation, which was in hard british countryside and how it was not proficient at speed due to the weight etc. as others were making claims about the great handling and prodigious grip, i was very clear about this.
I've driven an RX8 the 230 bhp version....what an absolutely gutless wonder, you had to rev the nuts off it to get it to go, and the sound track...step forward Mr. Dyson.
My 10 year old E39 M5 would be several leagues above it, never mind the V10.
Perhaps the M6 driver was on the phone or some such or maybe he was like the Imprezza driver who pulled in behind me to tell me how over rated M cars were, as I could'nt get away from him.When I let my 2 kids out of the back the penny dropped that I was tiddling along!!!
huge said:
LuS1fer said:
It's a bit like Plato and Tiff and believeing you will ever be able to drive at 5/10ths of their ability.
Is 5/10ths not a 1/2 ?.....sorry,long week.... 
LuS1fer said:
huge said:
LuS1fer said:
It's a bit like Plato and Tiff and believeing you will ever be able to drive at 5/10ths of their ability.
Is 5/10ths not a 1/2 ?.....sorry,long week.... ArmaghMan said:
sootyrumble said:
E21_Ross said:
plus he's taken a seriously ugly tuned version
he just thinks his RX8 is quicker than an M6. let him think it if it makes him happy.
he just thinks his RX8 is quicker than an M6. let him think it if it makes him happy.
LOL i never said an RX8 was quicker, i stated an M6 struggled in a particular situation, which was in hard british countryside and how it was not proficient at speed due to the weight etc. as others were making claims about the great handling and prodigious grip, i was very clear about this.
I've driven an RX8 the 230 bhp version....what an absolutely gutless wonder, you had to rev the nuts off it to get it to go, and the sound track...step forward Mr. Dyson.
My 10 year old E39 M5 would be several leagues above it, never mind the V10.
Perhaps the M6 driver was on the phone or some such or maybe he was like the Imprezza driver who pulled in behind me to tell me how over rated M cars were, as I could'nt get away from him.When I let my 2 kids out of the back the penny dropped that I was tiddling along!!!
sootyrumble said:
huge said:
Mr_B said:
huge said:
madala said:
....thanks gawd for that....what a 'feck ugly stupid piece of crap.......
This is a (or used to be) a website for petrolheads......not d
heads ...run along1..."ugly"....fair enough.....everyone is entitled to their opinion as to the looks of the any car.
2...."stupid"......5 ltr V10...?....200mph.....astonishing grip levels and supercar-frightening pace (EVO)
3...."piece of crap"...build quality/structural integrity etc etc....plus see 2 above
opinions are one thing,as is disagreement......ill-thought out comment and short-sightedness are another thing completely.
1..."ugly"....fair enough.....everyone is entitled to their opinion as to the looks of the any car.
Nuff said its damn ugly2...."stupid"......5 ltr V10...?....200mph.....astonishing grip levels and supercar-frightening pace (EVO)
for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight3...."piece of crap"...build quality/structural integrity etc etc....plus see 2 above
Build Quality and structural integrity unfortunately are two words missing from the BMW design brief in recent years as all the quality polls have shown and on the M5 and M6 the rear diffs had a habit of popping under hard driving
sootyrumble said:
isee said:
sootyrumble said:
The biggest fault with the M6 was the M5 it was more practical just as fast, and only weighs circa 90 kg more, and i think looks a lot better. Sorry to see the engine go but the 6 Series was the equivelant of Princess Fergie can waft around and make all the right noises but is butt ugly and an embarressment to ride :-)
As someone who owned both, I disagree. Their biggest problem is th gear saying that. Once I upgraded from M5 to M6, the difference in roadholding and precision was surprising! The M6 is a scalpel when the M5 is a folding knife in comparison.Also I always thought that the 6-series were one of the best looking cars on the road. I still do!
I am sad and happy that the current M6 is finished. I will try and hang on to my M6 through my life (as opposed to chopping it in for something else) as I really see their desirability coming back in a big way. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.
Maserrati - Gran Turismo yum yum
Jaguar - XKR
Aston Martin - DB9
Mercedes - SL65 (Preferably a black please)
BMW - M5 LOL
Have you ever owned a powerful sports car? It just amazes me that people who drive round in ordinary cars seem to be able to pass judgements like this....crazy.
sootyrumble said:
ArmaghMan said:
sootyrumble said:
E21_Ross said:
plus he's taken a seriously ugly tuned version
he just thinks his RX8 is quicker than an M6. let him think it if it makes him happy.
he just thinks his RX8 is quicker than an M6. let him think it if it makes him happy.
LOL i never said an RX8 was quicker, i stated an M6 struggled in a particular situation, which was in hard british countryside and how it was not proficient at speed due to the weight etc. as others were making claims about the great handling and prodigious grip, i was very clear about this.
I've driven an RX8 the 230 bhp version....what an absolutely gutless wonder, you had to rev the nuts off it to get it to go, and the sound track...step forward Mr. Dyson.
My 10 year old E39 M5 would be several leagues above it, never mind the V10.
Perhaps the M6 driver was on the phone or some such or maybe he was like the Imprezza driver who pulled in behind me to tell me how over rated M cars were, as I could'nt get away from him.When I let my 2 kids out of the back the penny dropped that I was tiddling along!!!
Take a look at this video....can't keep up with an RX8 eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUfJ94aKO0g
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 24th July 01:13
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 24th July 01:14
Wills2 said:
sootyrumble said:
ArmaghMan said:
sootyrumble said:
E21_Ross said:
plus he's taken a seriously ugly tuned version
he just thinks his RX8 is quicker than an M6. let him think it if it makes him happy.
he just thinks his RX8 is quicker than an M6. let him think it if it makes him happy.
LOL i never said an RX8 was quicker, i stated an M6 struggled in a particular situation, which was in hard british countryside and how it was not proficient at speed due to the weight etc. as others were making claims about the great handling and prodigious grip, i was very clear about this.
I've driven an RX8 the 230 bhp version....what an absolutely gutless wonder, you had to rev the nuts off it to get it to go, and the sound track...step forward Mr. Dyson.
My 10 year old E39 M5 would be several leagues above it, never mind the V10.
Perhaps the M6 driver was on the phone or some such or maybe he was like the Imprezza driver who pulled in behind me to tell me how over rated M cars were, as I could'nt get away from him.When I let my 2 kids out of the back the penny dropped that I was tiddling along!!!
Take a look at this video....can't keep up with an RX8 eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUfJ94aKO0g
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 24th July 01:13
Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 24th July 01:14
But seriously, this V10 was a great engine and it's sad to see it go. But the M6 is not so great at all. It has a lot of grunt on a straight line, but on a twisty B-road it's lost. It's neither about power nor power/weight ratio. Mass obeys the law of physics, and even a million billion bhp can't beat physics. I once did a testdrive on the RX8. It's correct that it's not the torqiest engine, but the acceleration is very smooth compared to an engine with reciprocating pistons . The center of gravity is very low and the weight distribution is very good.
And for this case, the
Some unfortunate ignorance going on here.
I shook the old girl down last night, initially warming juices with a gentle saunter up the Buglefuglestrasse and then reverting to a short ribbon of B road purity; it was unbridled, essence of GT magnificence, distilled. What in the name of Bonepart's balls are the detractors wittering on about?
The comments about the new 500 horse XK-R's superiority are ridiculous - the two cars are remarkably similar ito an overall handling repertoire and whether in B road or 'bahn conditions, any differentials are academic for a majority of scenarios, although, having punted along said 'bahns in the company of various junior and not so junior supercars (early Gallardos and Murkatroidia, F360, X50) and matched/prevailed/just about nosed it at the very highest reaches, the conclusion must once more be that there is something very understated about German horses.*
I'm afraid the stock DB9 - as achingly gorgeous as she is - falls away quickly, ito overall dynamics. (*Alpina's B5 was another case in point where a stated 493 brake was clearly absurdly low; even your limiter-faulty e39 M5 can perform age and on-paper figure-defying schnellerific handling/thumping aerobatics which slap time foursquare in the chops with the contemptuous swipe of an angered, Bavarian kipper.)
Back to those pesky B roads and if you switch into the e63s wallowiest damper setting it is remarkable how faithful things are for clean, technical progress or more lurid rump twitch in the traversing thereover: where only Steve Sutcliffe (out of all the testers [because he ran one a while]) discovered, the M6 - and this is a critical difference to the saloon which is, to some extent, understandably being touted in preference - is actually a significantly wieldier thug to chuck than El e60.
I think people have also spectacularly overlooked the raison d'etre of a sporting GT which the M6 most emphatically is. Of course these things tend to be a bit big and yes, an Aerial Atom will dust it coming out of Bets-y-Coed - blimey! Has Cybil Fawlty vacated the contestant's seat in the Bleedin' Obvious edition of Mastermind?
Still, let not reality or experience sully the analysis!
I shook the old girl down last night, initially warming juices with a gentle saunter up the Buglefuglestrasse and then reverting to a short ribbon of B road purity; it was unbridled, essence of GT magnificence, distilled. What in the name of Bonepart's balls are the detractors wittering on about?
The comments about the new 500 horse XK-R's superiority are ridiculous - the two cars are remarkably similar ito an overall handling repertoire and whether in B road or 'bahn conditions, any differentials are academic for a majority of scenarios, although, having punted along said 'bahns in the company of various junior and not so junior supercars (early Gallardos and Murkatroidia, F360, X50) and matched/prevailed/just about nosed it at the very highest reaches, the conclusion must once more be that there is something very understated about German horses.*
I'm afraid the stock DB9 - as achingly gorgeous as she is - falls away quickly, ito overall dynamics. (*Alpina's B5 was another case in point where a stated 493 brake was clearly absurdly low; even your limiter-faulty e39 M5 can perform age and on-paper figure-defying schnellerific handling/thumping aerobatics which slap time foursquare in the chops with the contemptuous swipe of an angered, Bavarian kipper.)
Back to those pesky B roads and if you switch into the e63s wallowiest damper setting it is remarkable how faithful things are for clean, technical progress or more lurid rump twitch in the traversing thereover: where only Steve Sutcliffe (out of all the testers [because he ran one a while]) discovered, the M6 - and this is a critical difference to the saloon which is, to some extent, understandably being touted in preference - is actually a significantly wieldier thug to chuck than El e60.
I think people have also spectacularly overlooked the raison d'etre of a sporting GT which the M6 most emphatically is. Of course these things tend to be a bit big and yes, an Aerial Atom will dust it coming out of Bets-y-Coed - blimey! Has Cybil Fawlty vacated the contestant's seat in the Bleedin' Obvious edition of Mastermind?
Still, let not reality or experience sully the analysis!
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