RE: M6 Production Ends

[sootyrumble]

huge said:

Mr_B said:

huge said:

madala said:

....thanks gawd for that....what a 'feck ugly stupid piece of crap.......

This is a (or used to be) a website for petrolheads......not dheads ...run along

This is a ( or used to be ) a website where people could speak their mind and give an opinion. Not every comment needs to be praise or has to go along with your view of a car.

I agree....my point was
1..."ugly"....fair enough.....everyone is entitled to their opinion as to the looks of the any car.
2...."stupid"......5 ltr V10...?....200mph.....astonishing grip levels and supercar-frightening pace (EVO)
3...."piece of crap"...build quality/structural integrity etc etc....plus see 2 above

opinions are one thing,as is disagreement......ill-thought out comment and short-sightedness are another thing completely.

My two pennies here goes :-)
1..."ugly"....fair enough.....everyone is entitled to their opinion as to the looks of the any car. Nuff said its damn ugly
2...."stupid"......5 ltr V10...?....200mph.....astonishing grip levels and supercar-frightening pace (EVO) for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight
3...."piece of crap"...build quality/structural integrity etc etc....plus see 2 above Build Quality and structural integrity unfortunately are two words missing from the BMW design brief in recent years as all the quality polls have shown and on the M5 and M6 the rear diffs had a habit of popping under hard driving

[Mermaid]

isee said:

.. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

Really? what sort of prices do these fetch compared to the 3.0 Coupes that preceded?

[Lost soul]

Mermaid said:

isee said:

.. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

Really? what sort of prices do these fetch compared to the 3.0 Coupes that preceded?

You mean the model before , the CS ?

[Mermaid]

Lost soul said:

Mermaid said:

isee said:

.. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

Really? what sort of prices do these fetch compared to the 3.0 Coupes that preceded?

You mean the model before , the CS ?

Yes the E9? model. What's a pristine M635csi worth?

[huge]

sootyrumble said:

not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

maybe you are a better driver...or he was sliding about on all that oil that RX8's are famous for using/leaving behind/losing ?

[sootyrumble]

isee said:

sootyrumble said:

The biggest fault with the M6 was the M5 it was more practical just as fast, and only weighs circa 90 kg more, and i think looks a lot better. Sorry to see the engine go but the 6 Series was the equivelant of Princess Fergie can waft around and make all the right noises but is butt ugly and an embarressment to ride :-)

As someone who owned both, I disagree. Their biggest problem is th gear saying that. Once I upgraded from M5 to M6, the difference in roadholding and precision was surprising! The M6 is a scalpel when the M5 is a folding knife in comparison.

Also I always thought that the 6-series were one of the best looking cars on the road. I still do!

I am sad and happy that the current M6 is finished. I will try and hang on to my M6 through my life (as opposed to chopping it in for something else) as I really see their desirability coming back in a big way. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

I think you miss my point compared to the M5 the M6 may be a scapel but if you want a superfast coupe with good dynamics then the Jaguar XKR beats the M6 in every aspect, sublime gearbox, uber power, comfort and better road holding. The M5 makes sense as a superfast touring car big boot plenty of space inside its a brilliant car and concept i have allways loved the M5's, but the M6 is not the best in class by a long way even though it has the best engine there are several better cars, it just seems to be trying to be to many things and so never quite acheives greatness at anything:
Maserrati - Gran Turismo yum yum
Jaguar - XKR
Aston Martin - DB9
Mercedes - SL65 (Preferably a black please)
BMW - M5 LOL

[Lost soul]

Mermaid said:

Lost soul said:

Mermaid said:

isee said:

.. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

Really? what sort of prices do these fetch compared to the 3.0 Coupes that preceded?

You mean the model before , the CS ?

Yes the E9? model. What's a pristine M635csi worth?

I think the CS's are starting to be worth big money , the M635SCi's are not far behind

I guess the CS's will will alway be worth more just on rarity , and the original CSL must be mega money now

[sootyrumble]

huge said:

sootyrumble said:

not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

maybe you are a better driver...or he was sliding about on all that oil that RX8's are famous for using/leaving behind/losing ?

Touche LOL :-)

Seriously though it was a country B road, and from what i saw the car looked like it was going to bounce into a ditch any second the guy must have had balls of steel to keep chasing me it was all over the place

[Gummy Sagoo]

Never really got on with the M6. I felt the car was too complicated to withstand a good flogging round a race circuit (underbraked and would rapidly develop gearbox faults) and not smooth enough or rangy enough to make a convincing GT car. It's a shame because, as others have alluded to, parts of it were brilliant. I just don't think it ever gelled into a cohesive proposition for many. It's a pity BMW couldn't have signed off with a limited run M6 CSL with a manual box, bigger brakes, standard damping and a bunch of lightweight bits.

Edited by Gummy Sagoo on Friday 23 July 10:10

[Mermaid]

Lost soul said:

Mermaid said:

Lost soul said:

Mermaid said:

isee said:

.. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

Really? what sort of prices do these fetch compared to the 3.0 Coupes that preceded?

You mean the model before , the CS ?

Yes the E9? model. What's a pristine M635csi worth?

I think the CS's are starting to be worth big money , the M635SCi's are not far behind

I guess the CS's will will alway be worth more just on rarity , and the original CSL must be mega money now

Some E9 CSL's have gone for £100k, the M635 ? £20k, £25k..
AFAIK both of these were Karmann designs, not Bangled. And before the computer took over.

[ManOpener]

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

[isee]

sootyrumble said:

isee said:

sootyrumble said:

The biggest fault with the M6 was the M5 it was more practical just as fast, and only weighs circa 90 kg more, and i think looks a lot better. Sorry to see the engine go but the 6 Series was the equivelant of Princess Fergie can waft around and make all the right noises but is butt ugly and an embarressment to ride :-)

As someone who owned both, I disagree. Their biggest problem is th gear saying that. Once I upgraded from M5 to M6, the difference in roadholding and precision was surprising! The M6 is a scalpel when the M5 is a folding knife in comparison.

Also I always thought that the 6-series were one of the best looking cars on the road. I still do!

I am sad and happy that the current M6 is finished. I will try and hang on to my M6 through my life (as opposed to chopping it in for something else) as I really see their desirability coming back in a big way. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

I think you miss my point compared to the M5 the M6 may be a scapel but if you want a superfast coupe with good dynamics then the Jaguar XKR beats the M6 in every aspect, sublime gearbox, uber power, comfort and better road holding. The M5 makes sense as a superfast touring car big boot plenty of space inside its a brilliant car and concept i have allways loved the M5's, but the M6 is not the best in class by a long way even though it has the best engine there are several better cars, it just seems to be trying to be to many things and so never quite acheives greatness at anything:
Maserrati - Gran Turismo yum yum
Jaguar - XKR
Aston Martin - DB9
Mercedes - SL65 (Preferably a black please)
BMW - M5 LOL

I think this is why it is great that we all have different tastes.
I will tell you why i would prefer my M6 over all teh crs in that list:

Maserati: too slow in comparison, and even more compromised in the corners, - not a fan

Jaguar: (correct me if I am wrong, but the engine is jsut an update of the one they used for the last 10 years and it does not compete in straigh line acceleration. I also am still not convinced by the build quality and after sales support infrastructure

Aston Martin DB9- would have one in a heartbeat but they are in a very different price bracket and have their own competition there.

Merc: I might have considered it agaisnt an M6 convertible, but as I have a coupe as my only car I feel that jsut like the 911, it's not practical enough for my lifestyle to be my only car, yet a full on saloon or estate is an overkill in practicality stakes for me as well as being a lot less pretty.

BMW M5: As above, overkill in practicality and is not as good looking, noticeably less precise int he twists


Again, all IMHO, and I guess it just goes to highlight that different people have differnt tastes and priorities

[E21_Ross]

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

agree. around a track/when really pushing on through corners and straights there is no comparison. the M6 will easily beat the RX8. you were pushing really hard, he was probably relaxed, out of M mode just wafting along in total comfort and silence

[isee]

E21_Ross said:

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

agree. around a track/when really pushing on through corners and straights there is no comparison. the M6 will easily beat the RX8. you were pushing really hard, he was probably relaxed, out of M mode just wafting along in total comfort and silence

I am sure there are a lot of audi and bmw 3litre turbo diesel class drivers out there who are telling their mates in the pub how they left my m6 for dead too...

[jellison]

Good Stuff - One less Fat Porker round my way - the chavs will love these.

[sootyrumble]

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

Power has very little use if you can't get it down ;-) and the RX8 is one of the best handling cars around, and the power delivery is different to most other cars. Oh and it only weighs 1310kg which is very good for its size :-P

[isee]

sootyrumble said:

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

Power has very little use if you can't get it down ;-) and the RX8 is one of the best handling cars around, and the power delivery is different to most other cars. Oh and it only weighs 1310kg which is very good for its size :-P

Also when in my M5 on a very twisty road up in Scotland and in my BMW m5, I struggled to keep up with a











LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!


Does that mean:
a. the Disco is a faster or a better handling car
b. I was totally unfamiliar with the road
c. st driver
d. b and c

Edited by isee on Friday 23 July 10:24

[ManOpener]

sootyrumble said:

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

Power has very little use if you can't get it down ;-) and the RX8 is one of the best handling cars around, and the power delivery is different to most other cars. Oh and it only weighs 1310kg which is very good for its size :-P

I'm not denying the quality of the handling in an RX8, I just struggle to believe that a car with more than twice the power and a much smaller percentage more weight would loose out, even if it is more of a GT than a full-on sports car. I mean, the Z4M coupe is much quicker than an RX8 around the twist, and I don't see BMW letting their little coupe outgun their big one...

[sootyrumble]

E21_Ross said:

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

agree. around a track/when really pushing on through corners and straights there is no comparison. the M6 will easily beat the RX8. you were pushing really hard, he was probably relaxed, out of M mode just wafting along in total comfort and silence

Hahaha if it rolls and slides like that when wafting along its no comfortable cruiser, on the straights it has huge pace but in the corners it had no chance at all it was bouncing of the road over the potholes and undulations, it was on the back roads between Tring and Leighton Buzzard and those are rough old roads indeed if anyone has driven down there will know

[sootyrumble]

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

Power has very little use if you can't get it down ;-) and the RX8 is one of the best handling cars around, and the power delivery is different to most other cars. Oh and it only weighs 1310kg which is very good for its size :-P

I'm not denying the quality of the handling in an RX8, I just struggle to believe that a car with more than twice the power and a much smaller percentage more weight would loose out, even if it is more of a GT than a full-on sports car. I mean, the Z4M coupe is much quicker than an RX8 around the twist, and I don't see BMW letting their little coupe outgun their big one...

Ummmm i think round a track the Z4M may well be quicker as on the Top Gear power laps it was quicker than an M5 and a little slower than the new M3.