RE: Lotus Reveals Exos T125 Hardcore Track Car
Discussion
Scuffers said:
Mag1calTrev0r said:
Which would be a valid thing to say... however...
Consider the TopGear episode where Hammond took the Renault F1 car round the track. He couldn't drive it quick enough to make it driveable (if that makes sense!), I reckon this Lotus will be driveable (jump in and drive) so will appeal to the rich guy who just wants to turn up and drive it without having to be concerned about getting everything ready and fannying around with an entire pit crew.
It's a 'convenient F1 car'
How can you possibly say that?Consider the TopGear episode where Hammond took the Renault F1 car round the track. He couldn't drive it quick enough to make it driveable (if that makes sense!), I reckon this Lotus will be driveable (jump in and drive) so will appeal to the rich guy who just wants to turn up and drive it without having to be concerned about getting everything ready and fannying around with an entire pit crew.
It's a 'convenient F1 car'
it's not even turned a wheel yet, but you seem to know that it will be easy to drive?
I know we are just having fun talking about this car but do people genuinely not understand how many people there are who have the money to buy one of these without having to think twice and still buy Shoemakers' championship winning Ferrari, run in any racing season they wish and have their plane meet them anywhere they want, when they want to take them to one of their superyachts?
Not one of the buyers will be thinking in the same way as a typical PHer, there is no need to compromise, no need to worry about what you wouldn't be buying if you bought this car.
f
kers. 
Not one of the buyers will be thinking in the same way as a typical PHer, there is no need to compromise, no need to worry about what you wouldn't be buying if you bought this car.
f
kers. Forget the T125, what about Lotus's other supercar reveal this week, its been busy testing round Hethel. The top F1 guy's have been on the case too as it has KERS.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10836132
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10836132
ij99 said:
Forget the T125, what about Lotus's other supercar reveal this week, its been busy testing round Hethel. The top F1 guy's have been on the case too as it has KERS.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10836132
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10836132
article said:
However, for engineers at Lotus, who are more accustomed to working with ultra-light cars such as the 1.1 tonne Lotus Elise,
ij99 said:
Forget the T125, what about Lotus's other supercar reveal this week, its been busy testing round Hethel. The top F1 guy's have been on the case too as it has KERS.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10836132
Lotus has never just been about building cars. they have some pretty intresting engineering efforts goign on behind closed doors! can anyone remeber the veriable compresion 2 stroke engine lotus where developing? they said it had the potencial to run on vertually any grade fuel! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10836132
Chris.
RobM77 said:
DonkeyApple said:
chuntington101 said:
I would love one..... however for the money i would look to buy a second hand F1 chassis and stick a half decent engine and box in there. Should beable to build one for alot less than 600K!
Chris.
Indeed, but then you wouldn't meet the other 24 wealthy owners at the 5 European bespoke tracdays and so miss out on increasing your business, doing new business and thus making far more than the poxy $1m the toy cost. Chris.
The buyers of these cars will almost certainly be very keen to exploit the new social connections the purchase will bring.
The only downside to racing an old F1 car is that you actually have to race.
Some successful businessmen may not like being beaten, and some may just not enjoy chasing lap times, and would rather just get a kick out of driving the car; both of which are fair enough. Personally, I love the engineering side of racing and the competition, and there would be something missing if I mingled in a marquee drinking non alchoholic cocktails and caviar nibbles before blasting round a track in a T125 on a standard setup without being timed. I'd far rather turn up at a track bleary eyed at 8am, eat some toast in an oily lorry and then not only enjoy the driving, but enjoy developing both the car and my driving to go faster.
Chris.
chuntington101 said:
RobM77 said:
DonkeyApple said:
chuntington101 said:
I would love one..... however for the money i would look to buy a second hand F1 chassis and stick a half decent engine and box in there. Should beable to build one for alot less than 600K!
Chris.
Indeed, but then you wouldn't meet the other 24 wealthy owners at the 5 European bespoke tracdays and so miss out on increasing your business, doing new business and thus making far more than the poxy $1m the toy cost. Chris.
The buyers of these cars will almost certainly be very keen to exploit the new social connections the purchase will bring.
The only downside to racing an old F1 car is that you actually have to race.
Some successful businessmen may not like being beaten, and some may just not enjoy chasing lap times, and would rather just get a kick out of driving the car; both of which are fair enough. Personally, I love the engineering side of racing and the competition, and there would be something missing if I mingled in a marquee drinking non alchoholic cocktails and caviar nibbles before blasting round a track in a T125 on a standard setup without being timed. I'd far rather turn up at a track bleary eyed at 8am, eat some toast in an oily lorry and then not only enjoy the driving, but enjoy developing both the car and my driving to go faster.
Chris.
DonkeyApple said:
What you don't get is that the company must only make cheap cars for a handfull of enthusiasts living on a bankrupt island off the North coast of Europe.
It is unacceptable that a company should reckognise that there are over 1 billion up and coming, monied people who don't live in a 2 up 2 down the Luftwaffe missed and that any car company looking to expand and grow should contemplate saying hello to these people and building a product for them.
No. The map of the world is pink and all British companies should consider it an honour to die on their arse supplying a few cars to a small number of people who can't afford them.
I'm very late, but this deserved another quote and another " It is unacceptable that a company should reckognise that there are over 1 billion up and coming, monied people who don't live in a 2 up 2 down the Luftwaffe missed and that any car company looking to expand and grow should contemplate saying hello to these people and building a product for them.
No. The map of the world is pink and all British companies should consider it an honour to die on their arse supplying a few cars to a small number of people who can't afford them.
"Seriously guys....it's legendary? Unique (in the world of new cars you can buy) and fapping gorgeous!
"It's too fast! (for track days)" Yep, thats what puts me off a car- being too fast.
"It looks too much like an F1 car!" (Oh because thats whats wrong with cars!)
"They already have an F1 team!" (BTW Lotus F1 and actual "lotus, Hethel" are pretty far removed. The F1 team essentially just has the branding)
"It's too expensive!"
"They won't let it on track!"- Yeah like arabs with £600k track cars go on normal track days! Jees...
The 7 exists- if you love that, go and buy an R500 and knock your socks off! If you however want your own Track day-if-ied F1 car then hear it is. And made by (IMHO) one of the most revolutionary companies out there.
I'll have 2 please- in green/ yellow.
"It's too fast! (for track days)" Yep, thats what puts me off a car- being too fast.
"It looks too much like an F1 car!" (Oh because thats whats wrong with cars!)
"They already have an F1 team!" (BTW Lotus F1 and actual "lotus, Hethel" are pretty far removed. The F1 team essentially just has the branding)
"It's too expensive!"
"They won't let it on track!"- Yeah like arabs with £600k track cars go on normal track days! Jees...
The 7 exists- if you love that, go and buy an R500 and knock your socks off! If you however want your own Track day-if-ied F1 car then hear it is. And made by (IMHO) one of the most revolutionary companies out there.
I'll have 2 please- in green/ yellow.
Edited by Si_man306 on Friday 13th August 13:48
Edited by Si_man306 on Friday 13th August 13:50
The McLaren F1, The Jaguar XJ220, The Veyron..........and you can probably add lots more have all been net losers of money for their companies. Because you can sell a few hundred of something does not mean it is a good commercial idea.
It remains to be seen with this project which it seems is now underway, but it also risks losing yet more money.
It remains to be seen with this project which it seems is now underway, but it also risks losing yet more money.
RTH said:
The McLaren F1, The Jaguar XJ220, The Veyron..........and you can probably add lots more have all been net losers of money for their companies. Because you can sell a few hundred of something does not mean it is a good commercial idea.
It remains to be seen with this project which it seems is now underway, but it also risks losing yet more money.
You don't know if they were money losers. In the absolutel simplest terms then the projects probably ran at a loss but these companies never built these cars to make a direct return, it was allways about increasing the profile and prestige of the company and selling more conventional units.It remains to be seen with this project which it seems is now underway, but it also risks losing yet more money.
I'm sure that several of these companies have made a clear increase in profit as a direct result of their car.
This is really basic business stuff chaps.
Lotus have woken up to the fact that they can combine their heritage, their expertise and their new client contacts via the Ferrari chap to roll out 25 specialist vehicles into the most important sales bracket on the planet.
This whole project has one significant objective and that will be to make the Esprit look cheap in comparison when it launches.
If Lotus came straight out with a £100k+ car after 2 decades of fundamentally selling sub £30 cars to normal people they wouldn't get very far. Their standard client base cant afford to buy the Esprit in sufficient numbers to be a business plan. This track car gets them into the sights of the real money and effectively opens the door.
Why do people think that a company such as Lotus won't have thought all of this out and have an actual reason to build and sell these cars?
M400 NBL said:
A billionaire could buy every one and it wouldn't bother him (doubt it would be a woman) any more than a weekly shop does the average PH'er.
true, but you might want to consider said billionaire can afford to sue the living st out of Lotus if it does not meet his expectations (or worse still, it kills him and the estate sue)Scuffers said:
M400 NBL said:
A billionaire could buy every one and it wouldn't bother him (doubt it would be a woman) any more than a weekly shop does the average PH'er.
true, but you might want to consider said billionaire can afford to sue the living st out of Lotus if it does not meet his expectations (or worse still, it kills him and the estate sue)
and your point is?
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff