RE: Driven: Wiesmann MF5 Roadster
Discussion
Jimbo Deany said:
Comparable to TVR?!?! It's about 3 times their (former) prices for god's sake. Hardly comparable to the affordable British roadsters. I'm sure TVR could have upped their affordability given another £80k per unit. Me? I'd take a Morgan Aero 8. Heritage, racing pedigree, half the price and built in Blighty.
An Aero Eight with a 5.0 V8 tuned to 500 would be best, rather than the V10. I presume you could pull the 4.4 they have and drop a 5.0 in and tweek it pretty easy.jellison said:
Jimbo Deany said:
Comparable to TVR?!?! It's about 3 times their (former) prices for god's sake. Hardly comparable to the affordable British roadsters. I'm sure TVR could have upped their affordability given another £80k per unit. Me? I'd take a Morgan Aero 8. Heritage, racing pedigree, half the price and built in Blighty.
An Aero Eight with a 5.0 V8 tuned to 500 would be best, rather than the V10. I presume you could pull the 4.4 they have and drop a 5.0 in and tweek it pretty easy.@Jellison, I believe the latest Aero already uses the 4.8 V8 from BMW the same as the Wiesmann MF4 GT uses
also a while ago I came across a engine tuner that could get more then 500hp out the bigger and faster made BMW V8 and still NA...I see if I can find that link, then I Post it here.
Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 15th September 19:29
GTRene said:
jellison said:
Jimbo Deany said:
Comparable to TVR?!?! It's about 3 times their (former) prices for god's sake. Hardly comparable to the affordable British roadsters. I'm sure TVR could have upped their affordability given another £80k per unit. Me? I'd take a Morgan Aero 8. Heritage, racing pedigree, half the price and built in Blighty.
An Aero Eight with a 5.0 V8 tuned to 500 would be best, rather than the V10. I presume you could pull the 4.4 they have and drop a 5.0 in and tweek it pretty easy.@Jellison, I believe the latest Aero already uses the 4.8 V8 from BMW the same as the Wiesmann MF4 GT uses
also a while ago I came across a engine tuner that could get more then 500hp out the bigger and faster made BMW V8 and still NA...I see if I can find that link, then I Post it here.
Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 15th September 19:29
When I win the Lotto (have to do it though - it does seem to just be the chav underclass that ever win!), I'll have a Hardtop Aero (can't remember the name) with a 500bhp V8 Beemer.
Transmitter Man said:
Keep it Phil, it's gold and you know it!jellison said:
1395kg - Christ.
Al - Nice 420SEAC (it would not be close to the Wiseman though (if the lump is as it came from the factory).
You cannot compare the two. The TVR is a raceing car fro the road and it is not made to be comfy in any way: I like it! But then, comfy for me is another world.Al - Nice 420SEAC (it would not be close to the Wiseman though (if the lump is as it came from the factory).
The W'mann is so much more a quality product and surely that's where the money went in.
Jon really: a Sagaris is a nice car but absolutely no match for any W'mann.
Jimbo Deany said:
I was meaning the old school Griffiths and Chimeras which were being knocked out for circa £40k+ until (comparatively) recently. The Sagaris is a different kettle of fish but still seems very expensive compared to UK prices.
the pound was very high then...and even such car in NL incl taxes costed about 100.000,-euro in Nl I believe...also the to come TVR Typhoon..2006 see here the Dutch to expect price...180.000,-euro but that car never came sadly.17 nov 2006 ... TVR woordvoerder Jason Oxley geeft aan dat de prijs nog moet komen, maar denk aan een bedrag rond 120.000 Britse pond (zo'n 180.000 euro).
anyway the Wiesmann is so much more car quality not to compare in that way with a TVR, also the chassis is way different, maybe compare that with a Aston Martin special version also alu mono etc...and then the Wiesmann is very rare too.
but I know what you want to say...wish they were cheaper
I wished that too...Edited by GTRene on Friday 17th September 17:22
shouldbworking said:
BILL PAYER said:
Is this colour scheme an attempt at making a normally lovely looking machine appear like it belongs to Noddy ?
Well im sure Stephen Ireland will be thrilled that there was at least one person in the world who looked at his Bentleys colour scheme and thought 'wow, that looks great, I should do that'
I have seen 20+ of these cars in a hotel in Monte Carlo.
They were some sight, in all colours you could imagine.
It was the Fairmount Hotel & they took up the whole front of the hotel.....mind you there was still room for 1 Black 458.
Needless to say I have some nice photos, the other thing that struck me was the strong smell of new leather, since most of the roofs were off , even @ night.....not much crime springs to mind
They were some sight, in all colours you could imagine.
It was the Fairmount Hotel & they took up the whole front of the hotel.....mind you there was still room for 1 Black 458.
Needless to say I have some nice photos, the other thing that struck me was the strong smell of new leather, since most of the roofs were off , even @ night.....not much crime springs to mind
pistonlager said:
JumpinJack said:
Just about sums up footballers! That bird isn't going to look too great either if she has a bump sitting that close to the wheel!
Nah, she has nothing to worry about, her fake tits will absorb most of the impact.Re the colour scheme I can't understand why people get worked up. it's not like this is the ONLY combination. Besides, it's in England colours
Weismann cars appeal to me greatly, as does any car that holds some unique value in this day of cookie-cutter mass production while having very positive attributes. £130k also buys you a Morgan Aero Supersports - but Morgan are missing a trick: despite their its aluminium construction, sublime looks and rarity, the Aero has to make do with BMW's 367bhp V8.
I'd have the Wiesmann, in a decent colour scheme. I prefer the looks and style of the Morgan, but in the drivetrain stakes, it's completely outclassed.
I'd have the Wiesmann, in a decent colour scheme. I prefer the looks and style of the Morgan, but in the drivetrain stakes, it's completely outclassed.
Harry Flashman said:
£130k also buys you a Morgan Aero Supersports - but Morgan are missing a trick: despite their its aluminium construction, sublime looks and rarity, the Aero has to make do with BMW's 367bhp V8.
I'd have the Wiesmann, in a decent colour scheme. I prefer the looks and style of the Morgan, but in the drivetrain stakes, it's completely outclassed.
I suspect that Morgan don't need the extra power in the same way. I'd have the Wiesmann, in a decent colour scheme. I prefer the looks and style of the Morgan, but in the drivetrain stakes, it's completely outclassed.
Comparing the two cars together does give a good example of my one single problem with the Wiesmann, that it is fibreglass. The clarity and crispness of the lines on the Morgan by using aluminium instead of a mould just stand out a mile and IMHO make it look a far more expensive and classy car.
The Wiesmann would move itself into a different visual league by using a metal shell. I just think it would work so much better given the classical look of the car.
I like them - although this one misses the point IMO even disregarding the gross colour combo - but I'm not sure I get the 'it's German so its design and build quality must be fantastic' ethos. In terms of basic exterior and interior design it's about at the level TVR was with their 'S' models - look at that dash, or the integration of external elements like lights, door handles and other adornmemnts for instance - which is fair enough as the basic design is about that old; it just got a load of chintz added over time that to me detracts from its appeal.
As for quality of finish - Sonax uses a 2003 MF3 as a demonstator for their detailing products and has for a good few years now - and looking closely, the paint finish isn't nearly as good as that of my 1993 Chimaera, with clearly visible ripples and sanding marks underneath.
Technically, what sets them apart is the Morganesque aluminium tub construction adopted recently, but OTOH their application of mass production technology is far more wholesale than it was with recentish TVRs, including BMW front struts. Basically, what you get is a re-shelled Beemer. Which is good in many ways, don't get me wrong, but there are limitations to that approach.
As for quality of finish - Sonax uses a 2003 MF3 as a demonstator for their detailing products and has for a good few years now - and looking closely, the paint finish isn't nearly as good as that of my 1993 Chimaera, with clearly visible ripples and sanding marks underneath.
Technically, what sets them apart is the Morganesque aluminium tub construction adopted recently, but OTOH their application of mass production technology is far more wholesale than it was with recentish TVRs, including BMW front struts. Basically, what you get is a re-shelled Beemer. Which is good in many ways, don't get me wrong, but there are limitations to that approach.
jellison said:
Jimbo Deany said:
Comparable to TVR?!?! It's about 3 times their (former) prices for god's sake. Hardly comparable to the affordable British roadsters. I'm sure TVR could have upped their affordability given another £80k per unit. Me? I'd take a Morgan Aero 8. Heritage, racing pedigree, half the price and built in Blighty.
An Aero Eight with a 5.0 V8 tuned to 500 would be best, rather than the V10. I presume you could pull the 4.4 they have and drop a 5.0 in and tweek it pretty easy.Best option is some sort of Alpina tuned lump of the 4.4. or 4.8 - but rather rare, and pricey if you can find one. And you'll still have the cooling issues.
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