RE: Subaru Reveals All-New Boxer Engine
Discussion
yes but thats a small price to pay for when you drive it, do you notice how small it feels when driving, sports tourer looks much better than the saloon as well, the spec b is just awesome
hora said:
Legacy Sports Tourer owner here too. Love it. Bloody long mind which is annoying with the new house 
As stated before a 10% improvement isn't really good enough. The fuel consumption on my STI when I had it was woeful and this was back when fuel was still relatively cheap. Not that it bothered me too much as it was my weekend car but I can see how 15mpg average might grate for some and as for whoever said Subaru engines were bullet proof 
I never had problems with mine as I always look after my cars well but when I was an owner and frequented Scoobynet often, the amount of people asking about engines rebuilds on the forum was a joke, almost as bad as TVR's
I never had problems with mine as I always look after my cars well but when I was an owner and frequented Scoobynet often, the amount of people asking about engines rebuilds on the forum was a joke, almost as bad as TVR's
Edited by Guvernator on Friday 24th September 10:30
Ninjaboy said:
GravelBen said:
It will be interesting to see how it goes - they've gone to a longer stroke and smaller bore which I hope doesn't make the performance versions less rev-happy.
Sounds like they are still pushing for the mass market again by trying to make it more torquey, usually if they want to get more out the engine the bore goes up and the stroke down. You harly see any new impreza's on the road so i don't think its what people want.yeah the Legacy just hangs in there, i have even spun my integrale whilst pushing just a little to hard whilst the Legacy just soldiers on
the Legacy is a much overlooked car that i believe is far better than all german rivals that the masses seem to buy, i am positive that if they drove a Legacy they would throw the passat or 3 series back at the dealer,
and you get all the extras as standard, my diesel has full leather, massive sunroof, sat nav, blue tooth, ac, heated seats, electric seats, folding heated mirrors, and it wont faulter when we have a little snow ice or heavy rain, and 50 mpg!!
the Legacy is a much overlooked car that i believe is far better than all german rivals that the masses seem to buy, i am positive that if they drove a Legacy they would throw the passat or 3 series back at the dealer,
and you get all the extras as standard, my diesel has full leather, massive sunroof, sat nav, blue tooth, ac, heated seats, electric seats, folding heated mirrors, and it wont faulter when we have a little snow ice or heavy rain, and 50 mpg!!
hora said:
sledge68 said:
yes but thats a small price to pay for when you drive it, do you notice how small it feels when driving, sports tourer looks much better than the saloon as well, the spec b is just awesome
I had my Forester alarmingly sideways- more than my two MX5's. I also had a 4-wheel drift into a bend on ice on Christmas day over the tops. No alarm....the Legacy though- its like bloody glue. hora said:
Legacy Sports Tourer owner here too. Love it. Bloody long mind which is annoying with the new house
Subarus may not be the most effiecent cars in the world, but in terms of gerenal reliability they are far better than the likes of BMW, Audi, Volvo.
I am chopping in my XC90 for a Tribeca next week. Over the year i have still calculated that a Petrol Tribeca will be cheaper to run than a Diesel XC90.
XC90 gets no more than 26Mpg. Tribeca will be around 17Mpg. But the big difference is servicing. over 3 years of ownership and 6k miles per year. The Volvo servicing comes out to be £2200 at main dealer. where the subaru comes out to be £700 at the main dealer. I do not expect anything to go wrong with the subaru but running a XC90 is like running a TVR expect another £1000 worth of repairs come service time!
I am glad that Dubaru are sticking to there roots and updating the Boxer Engine.
I am chopping in my XC90 for a Tribeca next week. Over the year i have still calculated that a Petrol Tribeca will be cheaper to run than a Diesel XC90.
XC90 gets no more than 26Mpg. Tribeca will be around 17Mpg. But the big difference is servicing. over 3 years of ownership and 6k miles per year. The Volvo servicing comes out to be £2200 at main dealer. where the subaru comes out to be £700 at the main dealer. I do not expect anything to go wrong with the subaru but running a XC90 is like running a TVR expect another £1000 worth of repairs come service time!
I am glad that Dubaru are sticking to there roots and updating the Boxer Engine.
Ninjaboy said:
Sounds like they are still pushing for the mass market again by trying to make it more torquey, usually if they want to get more out the engine the bore goes up and the stroke down. You harly see any new impreza's on the road so i don't think its what people want.
I think the reason you don't see many Imprezas about is because they look like s
t and they aren't very good either. I do think it is great that they are sticking with the boxer engine but until they get some decent designers in they are on the path to bankruptcy.
The last Legacy was a sweet handling car with a combination of good handling and good ride quality that few mid size cars could match. It looked pretty good too. However fuel economy was rubbish until they introduced the diesel boxer engine, by which time the design (and in particular the interior) had dated.
So once they'd got the engine right all they had to do was update the design and up the interior quality. Then they go and produce the monstrosity that is the latest Legacy. It is just gross and so it won't sell. Like I said "a path to bankruptcy". What a shame.
stevieb said:
Subarus may not be the most effiecent cars in the world, but in terms of gerenal reliability they are far better than the likes of BMW, Audi, Volvo.
I am chopping in my XC90 for a Tribeca next week. Over the year i have still calculated that a Petrol Tribeca will be cheaper to run than a Diesel XC90.
XC90 gets no more than 26Mpg. Tribeca will be around 17Mpg. But the big difference is servicing. over 3 years of ownership and 6k miles per year. The Volvo servicing comes out to be £2200 at main dealer. where the subaru comes out to be £700 at the main dealer. I do not expect anything to go wrong with the subaru but running a XC90 is like running a TVR expect another £1000 worth of repairs come service time!
I am glad that Dubaru are sticking to there roots and updating the Boxer Engine.
There speaks a man who hasn't factored in depreciation! A Tribeca - you're brave!I am chopping in my XC90 for a Tribeca next week. Over the year i have still calculated that a Petrol Tribeca will be cheaper to run than a Diesel XC90.
XC90 gets no more than 26Mpg. Tribeca will be around 17Mpg. But the big difference is servicing. over 3 years of ownership and 6k miles per year. The Volvo servicing comes out to be £2200 at main dealer. where the subaru comes out to be £700 at the main dealer. I do not expect anything to go wrong with the subaru but running a XC90 is like running a TVR expect another £1000 worth of repairs come service time!
I am glad that Dubaru are sticking to there roots and updating the Boxer Engine.
Well, the wife and I own both a Tribeca and a 2008 UK STi so we must be a complete gluttons of punishment.
The Tribeca makes a fantastic second hand buy (I wouldn't consider one new due to depreciation) - oodles of kit, great engine, handling and it's someting different from all the XC90's and X5's running around here. Don't go by the pro-euro coverage, try one and be suprised.....
As for the comment regarding Evo's being better, it's horses for courses - perhaps we should comment on the strength of Evo diffs/gearboxes (something the STi has no issue with). Chocolate pistons is not relevant anymore tbh
The current STI 2.5 issues related to an initial map fault (fixed by reflash) and poor quality bores on the 2.5 (chasing emissions figures and less oil consumption) causing pistons to nip in the bores.
I will say that my 2008 STi has had more positive reaction than my 22B and with a few subtle tweaks is a much under-rated car for sure.
The Tribeca makes a fantastic second hand buy (I wouldn't consider one new due to depreciation) - oodles of kit, great engine, handling and it's someting different from all the XC90's and X5's running around here. Don't go by the pro-euro coverage, try one and be suprised.....
As for the comment regarding Evo's being better, it's horses for courses - perhaps we should comment on the strength of Evo diffs/gearboxes (something the STi has no issue with). Chocolate pistons is not relevant anymore tbh
The current STI 2.5 issues related to an initial map fault (fixed by reflash) and poor quality bores on the 2.5 (chasing emissions figures and less oil consumption) causing pistons to nip in the bores.
I will say that my 2008 STi has had more positive reaction than my 22B and with a few subtle tweaks is a much under-rated car for sure.
hora said:
Doshy said:
red_slr said:
Hope they have the issues sorted as the current 2.5 engines are a no good for a Subaru, they used to be bullet proof, not anymore.
Well said. Having just spent £3k on a seized engine I completely agree. Due to usual Subaru oil pump problems and the need for a new radiator the oil was being boiled but not showing on any lights on the dash. It was explained fully to me by the guys at API engines but I'm not the most mechanically minded. API were fantastic BTW. Drives like new now and all is well.
To try and reduce the pain I pretended that when I picked it up it was a car that i'd just bought for £3k and that made me feel much better.......
khooni said:
red_slr said:
Hope they have the issues sorted as the current 2.5 engines are a no good for a Subaru, they used to be bullet proof, not anymore.
so right. the current STi engines are fragile compared to Lancer Evos in so many ways. I really hope they fix this. sledge68 said:
hi , i have owned two Subarus in recent years and am a complete convert, the first was a legacy GTB twin turbo, which had bundles of torque alebit when the second turbo woke up, and it handled like a small car, the front felt planted which is why they stick to the boxer as all the heavy parts are lower down, wish i had never sold that car as it was excellent, however i got a new job and they would pay for any car i wanted, but it had to be diesel, now i have the new Legacy sports tourer diesel for work, which again is excellent, quite smooth economical, excellent handling and build quality, at the time i had a company choice of an A4 or BMW 3 series, the Legacy is far better looking than both and i argue better built, all the A4s have been back or broken and the 3 series are forever going wrong, not the Legacy.
I have also bought an older 54 plate Legacy 3.0 spec B sports tourer, beast in sheeps clothing!!!!!
always dislikes japanese cars and prefered italian, with a string of alfas, lancias, fiats, but this brand Subaru just have something very special so i am glad they are sticking to a boxer.
+1I have also bought an older 54 plate Legacy 3.0 spec B sports tourer, beast in sheeps clothing!!!!!
always dislikes japanese cars and prefered italian, with a string of alfas, lancias, fiats, but this brand Subaru just have something very special so i am glad they are sticking to a boxer.
On my second Impreza wagon. Can't see me changing for anything else short of an R33GTR. Love the sound and the power delivery. Love the bonnet with the holes and scoops. Am told that the owner of a primary school should have something more 'respectable', but can't think of anything to beat it for the money
Beefmeister said:
I know it isn't a very PH way of looking at things, but surely only improving economy and emissions by 10& is pretty piss-poor.
Given the advances BMW and VAG are making in their engines, i think someone with the might of Fuji Heavy Industries could do a little better.
Unless the economy and emissions are massively improved over the current engines, i can't see Toyota going ahead with having it in one of their cars.
Agree with this. A new engine should be a great leap into the future for a company designed to last a good few years of production and development. I am guessing they have taken the basic concept as far as they can or they have left a lot up their sleeve for easy updates in a year or two.Given the advances BMW and VAG are making in their engines, i think someone with the might of Fuji Heavy Industries could do a little better.
Unless the economy and emissions are massively improved over the current engines, i can't see Toyota going ahead with having it in one of their cars.
jdcampbell said:
stevieb said:
Subarus may not be the most effiecent cars in the world, but in terms of gerenal reliability they are far better than the likes of BMW, Audi, Volvo.
I am chopping in my XC90 for a Tribeca next week. Over the year i have still calculated that a Petrol Tribeca will be cheaper to run than a Diesel XC90.
XC90 gets no more than 26Mpg. Tribeca will be around 17Mpg. But the big difference is servicing. over 3 years of ownership and 6k miles per year. The Volvo servicing comes out to be £2200 at main dealer. where the subaru comes out to be £700 at the main dealer. I do not expect anything to go wrong with the subaru but running a XC90 is like running a TVR expect another £1000 worth of repairs come service time!
I am glad that Dubaru are sticking to there roots and updating the Boxer Engine.
There speaks a man who hasn't factored in depreciation! A Tribeca - you're brave!I am chopping in my XC90 for a Tribeca next week. Over the year i have still calculated that a Petrol Tribeca will be cheaper to run than a Diesel XC90.
XC90 gets no more than 26Mpg. Tribeca will be around 17Mpg. But the big difference is servicing. over 3 years of ownership and 6k miles per year. The Volvo servicing comes out to be £2200 at main dealer. where the subaru comes out to be £700 at the main dealer. I do not expect anything to go wrong with the subaru but running a XC90 is like running a TVR expect another £1000 worth of repairs come service time!
I am glad that Dubaru are sticking to there roots and updating the Boxer Engine.
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