RE: Driven: BMW 1 Series M Coupé

[Speed_Demon]

nickpan said:

inkiboo said:

Fittster said:

inkiboo said:

Oh god I am so massively bored with everyone on PH going on about weight. If you want a car with a decent interior, good sound isolation and enhanced safety equipment then it is going to weigh more than the previous generation car.

If you don't want all that, buy a Lotus Elise.

No room for improved engineering or light weight materials?

Which would no doubt cost more and then we'd get posts along the lines of "OH MY GOD IT IS SO EXPENSIVE I AM NOT GOING TO BUY ONE INSTEAD I WILL GET A THREE YEAR OLD M3 BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER BUY NEW ANYWAY"

+1.

Also - sure this has been discussed to death but their unwillingness to adopt the M1 name suggest there's a BMW supercar in the pipeline?

Unfortunately I think that is unlikely due to the economic climate. Not where they are gonna make there money. It would be nice though.

[Mermaid]

chippy17 said:

inkiboo said:

Oh god I am so massively bored with everyone on PH going on about weight. If you want a car with a decent interior, good sound isolation and enhanced safety equipment then it is going to weigh more than the previous generation car.

If you don't want all that, buy a Lotus Elise.

Porsche seem to manage it...why can't BMW

this car should weigh 1350-1400 not 1500

So how much does a small run 2 seater £120k 997GT3RS weigh? I thought it was about 1375kg*. And AFAIK the 997 GT2RS weighs the same despite carbon fibre bonnet etc...

As with people, it's not at all easy to lose weight.

*adjustable carbon fibre wing, a plastic engine cover, and a lightweight plastic rear window

Edited by Mermaid on Tuesday 12th October 13:23

[alock]

Dagnut said:

Am I the only one who thinks the wheels are too big? I think they look ridiculous. Why not just fit 18's they are plenty big enough for a car that size

The wheel, tyre, arch combination gives it a euro look that I can't stand. It makes it look like the rear has been dropped too low and the tyres are stretched:



I suppose it's the next phase in the 'M'arketing divisions downward spiral.
1) 'M' badges on all models
2) X5M & X6M
3) Pre-chav'd M1

[Spiritual_Beggar]

CliveM said:

Any car that's described as a compromise due to the sign of the times is a bit of a disappointment. That it's an M car is an even bigger disappointment.
1500 kg?!?!?! Is that really the best that they could do? I'll have an M3 thanks, despite wanting a smaller car than that.

My sentiments exactly!

Sounds heavy, and I know turbos have less lag, and are more efficient these days, but frankly this needed to be N/A to really get me excited (even though I knew it never would be).

Price will be interesting. At circa £40k, there isn't really much about this car that really grabs my attention.

Still, keeping an open mind, and will wait for official details frm the release. It does look quite good though.

[Mermaid]

aeropilot said:

As the next M3 will go down to a TT 6 cyl, so the next gen 1M will get a TT 4 cyl..... apprentley.

Does make you think how advanced the Audi RS2 was in 1995 with it's 2.2 litre 5 pot Turbo producing 315ps.

[ewenm]

TheRoadWarrior said:

inkiboo said:

Oh god I am so massively bored with everyone on PH going on about weight. If you want a car with a decent interior, good sound isolation and enhanced safety equipment then it is going to weigh more than the previous generation car.

If you don't want all that, buy a Lotus Elise.

Better get your skates on if you want a lightweight Elise... the way lotus are going, looks like the next one will be heavier than the BMW.

New Elise is supposedly ~1095kg, so still 400kg lighter than the 1M. But don't let facts get in the way of your post

[Andysywv]

This really isn't what that tii liveried showcar promised to be, I'm still optimistic that BMW will eventually offer something lighter and simpler. I really don't see why an 'M' version has to be faster than a 135i on the motorway, but I would happily buy an M version which was more spartan and less powerful - can we ditch the turbos please ? An M car you drive on the torque ?! Not in my garage.

[ManOpener]

Mermaid said:

aeropilot said:

As the next M3 will go down to a TT 6 cyl, so the next gen 1M will get a TT 4 cyl..... apprentley.

Does make you think how advanced the Audi RS2 was in 1995 with it's 2.2 litre 5 pot Turbo producing 315ps.

Even moreso when you think that that engine in its 20v form had been in production since 1983 or thereabouts...

[Mermaid]

Andysywv said:

This really isn't what that tii liveried showcar promised to be, I'm still optimistic that BMW will eventually offer something lighter and simpler. I really don't see why an 'M' version has to be faster than a 135i on the motorway, but I would happily buy an M version which was more spartan and less powerful - can we ditch the turbos please ? An M car you drive on the torque ?! Not in my garage.

Buy a used M3 CSL at £30k, simples

It will probably never get better than that.

[CRACKIE]

Oi average bloke ~ who's eaten all the pies ???
"The 1 Series M Coupé should weigh about 1500kg, and to put that into perspective, it’s the weight of an average bloke less than the current M3 Coupé."
That makes average bloke 125kg doesn't it??

[Escort Si-130]

I hate the standard 1 series asa car, but have to love it in this coupe form and M powered.

[the-photographer]

Audi TTRS 1450 + 75 = 1525 / 335bhp (manual)

Cayman S 1425 kg / 295bhp (manual)

370z 1496 + 75 = 1571 kg / 323bhp (manual)

BMW 135i 1530 kg / 302bhp (manual)

BMW Z4 sDrive35is 1600 kg / 340bhp (7-speed DSG)

BWM 335i M Sport 1600kg / 306bhp (manual)

M3 Coupe 1655kg / 420bhp (manual)

Ariel Atom 456 + 75 = 531 kg / 245-300 bhp (manual)

Audi S3 1515 + 75 = 1590 / 261bhp (auto)

Caparo T1 689kg / 575bhp (manual)

Lotus Exige S 935 + 75 = 1010kg / 220bhp (manual & ac marked as an option)

Mercedes Benz SLK 350 1505kg / 305hp (auto 7 tronic

Mercedes Benz SLK 55AMG 1575kg / 360hp (auto 7 tronic)

BMW 1-M 1500kg / 350hp(manual - numbers to be confirmed)

Car	Weight KG (inc driver)
Atom	531
Caparo T1	689
Lotus Exige S	1010
Cayman S	1425
BMW 1 Series M Coupe	1500 TBC
SLK 350	1505
Audi TTRS	1525
BMW 135i	1530
370z	1571
SLK 55AMG	1575
S3	1590
BMW Z4 sDrive35is	1600
BMW 335i M Sport	1600
BMW M3 Coupe	1655

[daz4m]

It looks nice but I'm struggling to see why anyone would buy this car over the E92 M3.

The weight differential isn't going to sway you and if cost is the issue, buy a 'nearly new' E92 for similar money.

I guess it's benefits are the fuel economy and the tuning benefits which will probably end up cancelling each other out.

[Dagnut]

Have to agree with inkiboo, it's the same st every time a car is released. Just accept that cars are heavier now and people who want lightweight specials are in the minority. Lexus couldn't even get the £350,000 LFA under 1500kg. Mainstream lightweight cars are gone, thing of the past

[pilchardthecat]

Dagnut said:

Have to agree with inkiboo, it's the same st every time a car is released. Just accept that cars are heavier now and people who want lightweight specials are in the minority. Lexus couldn't even get the £350,000 LFA under 1500kg. Mainstream lightweight cars are gone, thing of the past

It's not the weight for me, it's the crappy engine.

[bmthnick1981]

Dagnut said:

Have to agree with inkiboo, it's the same st every time a car is released. Just accept that cars are heavier now and people who want lightweight specials are in the minority. Lexus couldn't even get the £350,000 LFA under 1500kg. Mainstream lightweight cars are gone, thing of the past

Renault seem to be managing to produce some mainstream light cars though? I'm thinking phase 2 clio 172 cup which had thinner glass, no abs(!), etc etc to reduce weight. Then there was the R.26.R (or whatever it was called) Megane which was also quite light...

[Dagnut]

pilchardthecat said:

Dagnut said:

Have to agree with inkiboo, it's the same st every time a car is released. Just accept that cars are heavier now and people who want lightweight specials are in the minority. Lexus couldn't even get the £350,000 LFA under 1500kg. Mainstream lightweight cars are gone, thing of the past

It's not the weight for me, it's the crappy engine.

But it's the same thing with emissions, BMW's hands are tied, the car HAS to meet certain standards or it won't be sold.
OK we all know in reality this car won't be any more economical and the testing is biased but again BMW's hands are tied. BMW IMO held on to the N/A approach as long as possible, You all act like M engineers are turning there back on you, do you honestly think that guys who created the E46 CSl aren't complaining themselves at these regulations? These are the sh!tty times we live in to produce a high volume performance car.

[daz4m]

bmthnick1981 said:

Dagnut said:

Have to agree with inkiboo, it's the same st every time a car is released. Just accept that cars are heavier now and people who want lightweight specials are in the minority. Lexus couldn't even get the £350,000 LFA under 1500kg. Mainstream lightweight cars are gone, thing of the past

Renault seem to be managing to produce some mainstream light cars though? I'm thinking phase 2 clio 172 cup which had thinner glass, no abs(!), etc etc to reduce weight. Then there was the R.26.R (or whatever it was called) Megane which was also quite light...

Like it or not weight is key in a sports car so it's fair that it is mentioned imho. However, you seem to be missing the point ofcourse they can do it there's just not really a market for it which is a shame.

[bmthnick1981]

Agree the market seems not be there - perhaps more 'M cars' are now bought by people who just want the badge rather than the experience. Which is a shame.

[Dagnut]

bmthnick1981 said:

Dagnut said:

Have to agree with inkiboo, it's the same st every time a car is released. Just accept that cars are heavier now and people who want lightweight specials are in the minority. Lexus couldn't even get the £350,000 LFA under 1500kg. Mainstream lightweight cars are gone, thing of the past

Renault seem to be managing to produce some mainstream light cars though? I'm thinking phase 2 clio 172 cup which had thinner glass, no abs(!), etc etc to reduce weight. Then there was the R.26.R (or whatever it was called) Megane which was also quite light...

Have you been in a R26R, how many people are going to buy a BMW with plastic windows a rear cage and no stereo?