Pirelli P6000, Are they really that rubbish?
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Seen a lot of people complained, some pics shown with ripped side, and some said they are getting poor handling in wet.
meanwhile some said they are quite good, is it just because what car are they are on? or the material is that poor?
i am ok with them this moment. just wonder how come they got so much problems in the premium brands.
meanwhile some said they are quite good, is it just because what car are they are on? or the material is that poor?
i am ok with them this moment. just wonder how come they got so much problems in the premium brands.
Yes - they really are that bad.
Had them on all 4 corners of my Puma - they were crap.
Swapped them for new P6000's - still s
t. Ok in the dry but in the wet they were horrible - the unloaded wheel would spin up in the corners and the amount of understeer was epic.
Then when the front's died I swapped them for BF Goodrich's. The result of this was 10X the grip at the front compared to the rear.
On a wet roundabout the slightest lift of the throttle (and I do mean slight) would have the back of the car coming round at frightening speed - it wanted to swap ends constantly. A lot of fun at pedestrian speeds but downright dangerous.
I have heard that they used different compounds for different applications (ie different sizes) but I wouldn't trust them. Like driving around with 4 bars of imperial leather strapped to corners
Had them on all 4 corners of my Puma - they were crap.
Swapped them for new P6000's - still s
t. Ok in the dry but in the wet they were horrible - the unloaded wheel would spin up in the corners and the amount of understeer was epic.Then when the front's died I swapped them for BF Goodrich's. The result of this was 10X the grip at the front compared to the rear.
On a wet roundabout the slightest lift of the throttle (and I do mean slight) would have the back of the car coming round at frightening speed - it wanted to swap ends constantly. A lot of fun at pedestrian speeds but downright dangerous.
I have heard that they used different compounds for different applications (ie different sizes) but I wouldn't trust them. Like driving around with 4 bars of imperial leather strapped to corners
Major Fallout said:
abarber said:
Dated now, but were fine ten years ago. Two trackdays, a trip around the alps and another 10k miles out of a set on my old MX5. Only cost £160 fitted for a set back then 
Actually I bet they are fun on an mx5!I had them on my A6 when I bought it, ok in the dry, rubbish in the wet and utter shte in the snow. Couldn't even get up the slight gradeint of my road in a bit of snow, now have Firestone TZ300 had no problems in the snow of earlier this year, loads of tred and they don't wear too quickly.
The P6000 don't last long.
te in the snow. Couldn't even get up the slight gradeint of my road in a bit of snow, now have Firestone TZ300 had no problems in the snow of earlier this year, loads of tred and they don't wear too quickly.The P6000 don't last long.
These tyres were OEM on a lot of cars, including Jaguar's, Vauxhall's etc.
Used them on two track day cars (Vauxhall Vectra/BMW 328i) and an XJ-S.
They were great on all the cars, great fun on the XJ-S with the LSD. Made it really controllable and predictable on the road, despite the chassis not being the best. They also transformed by 328i, it was horrible in the wet before, now it'll only let go if you make it and the ABS and traction control work much better, the ABS cutting in much later and the traction control much earlier but with more subtlety.
On track, again, they are predictable and offered good grip lap after lap, some other tyres are fine for a bit and then seem to go 'off'. They also helped me get to work, on days when everyone else in my department had to stay at home I got in in the BMW.
This video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lemZyHsfhzc
Was taken with the BMW 328i on Pirelli P6000 tyres. Unfortunately you don't seem to be able to buy them any more, I've moved to P7's, which seem about the same except they suffer more from heat, the pressure changes you get after a session are quite dramatic.
ETA: also fitted them to my Spitfire 1500, again that was great although the tyres I took off that were firestones so perhaps it's not a fair comparison! My little brothers car, on OEM Bridgestones, was a bit unpredictable (not good for an inexperienced driver) before I swapped them all out for P3000's.
Not saying everyone else is wrong, this is just my experience. Perhaps I haven't tried enough different tyres but every time I buy a car with something else on, no matter what it is, I change to Pirelli's and it's much better. On track, my car does also seem to have about the pace you would expect it to, despite a complete numpty (me) driving it...I also somehow have managed to not crash it yet so I'm a little hesitant to change anything!
Used them on two track day cars (Vauxhall Vectra/BMW 328i) and an XJ-S.
They were great on all the cars, great fun on the XJ-S with the LSD. Made it really controllable and predictable on the road, despite the chassis not being the best. They also transformed by 328i, it was horrible in the wet before, now it'll only let go if you make it and the ABS and traction control work much better, the ABS cutting in much later and the traction control much earlier but with more subtlety.
On track, again, they are predictable and offered good grip lap after lap, some other tyres are fine for a bit and then seem to go 'off'. They also helped me get to work, on days when everyone else in my department had to stay at home I got in in the BMW.
This video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lemZyHsfhzc
Was taken with the BMW 328i on Pirelli P6000 tyres. Unfortunately you don't seem to be able to buy them any more, I've moved to P7's, which seem about the same except they suffer more from heat, the pressure changes you get after a session are quite dramatic.
ETA: also fitted them to my Spitfire 1500, again that was great although the tyres I took off that were firestones so perhaps it's not a fair comparison! My little brothers car, on OEM Bridgestones, was a bit unpredictable (not good for an inexperienced driver) before I swapped them all out for P3000's.
Not saying everyone else is wrong, this is just my experience. Perhaps I haven't tried enough different tyres but every time I buy a car with something else on, no matter what it is, I change to Pirelli's and it's much better. On track, my car does also seem to have about the pace you would expect it to, despite a complete numpty (me) driving it...I also somehow have managed to not crash it yet so I'm a little hesitant to change anything!
Edited by varsas on Friday 15th October 17:22
I've had them on a Ford Puma from new (awful, made it tramline and gave no feedback), Audi S6 (V8 model - just as awful, poor grip and squealed at low speed) and a pair on the front of an E34 BMW 530i (got a puncture about an hour before going on holiday and there was nothing else available in the size - similarly crap with no stability on the motorway).
Horrible, and yet so ubiquitous. Ugh.
Horrible, and yet so ubiquitous. Ugh.
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