Pirelli P6000, Are they really that rubbish?
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kS! Pistonheads rule 4, if you have no experience of something then it is sTerzo123 said:
Performed a lovely 720 on the M8 at Barlinnie after having a set fitted to my car a few years back.
Thankfully no damage, except to my underwear
Would never recommend them.
How fast were you going, what was the weather like and what lane were you in? The bend just at the roads depot at bar-l is tight for a motorway...Thankfully no damage, except to my underwear
Would never recommend them.
I've been round there at 70-somethings in each lane down the years in both a Mk3 Mondeo and E46 shod with P6000s in the wet and dry with no issues.
Overall, dont have any issues with the P6000 on decent sized cars, although found the Bridgestone ER30 to be better in the wet and slightly quieter, which just happened to be what I replaced the P6000 on both cars with..
Edited by MondeoMan1981 on Friday 15th October 20:55
The fatboy said:
Seen a lot of people complained, some pics shown with ripped side, and some said they are getting poor handling in wet.
meanwhile some said they are quite good, is it just because what car are they are on? or the material is that poor?
i am ok with them this moment. just wonder how come they got so much problems in the premium brands.
I've not had issues with them. We fitted them to my Dad's 6 litre V12 XJ12 as an upgrade from the factory spec Dunlops. HUGE improvement in ride, grip, refinement and longevity.meanwhile some said they are quite good, is it just because what car are they are on? or the material is that poor?
i am ok with them this moment. just wonder how come they got so much problems in the premium brands.
So good that when I bought a V12 XJ-S I fitted some. Never had any probs containing 295hp. currently also got a pair on the back of the Roadster (came with them on) and they seem as good fine, even when pushed hard.
Remember these where factory fit for the Ford Puma, a car that gained a reputation for it's handling in stock trim.
Not saying there aren't better tyres these days, but I seriously can't believe there are anywhere near as bad as some claim and it certainly doesn't tally with my own experience.
By contrast some of the worse tyres I've had were Yok A520's.
I've only had experience of them on my W202 merc (1500kg) and the performed very well in all conditions, including get me around all through last winter (the really snowy one, remember) despite being close to the wear bars. Likewise come rain or shine I never had any cause for complaint. I can only conclude then that, as others have said, it really does depend on the car they're fitted to.
I must say though, that when up for replacement I plumped for Michelin Primacy HPs (OEM fit for my car) and found that they're are slightly more confidence inspiring in the wet (actually, it's a joy to rail round corners with them on when it's pouring down) and much, much quieter.
I must say though, that when up for replacement I plumped for Michelin Primacy HPs (OEM fit for my car) and found that they're are slightly more confidence inspiring in the wet (actually, it's a joy to rail round corners with them on when it's pouring down) and much, much quieter.
rockandrollmark said:
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I must say though, that when up for replacement I plumped for Michelin Primacy HPs (OEM fit for my car) and found that they're are slightly more confidence inspiring in the wet (actually, it's a joy to rail round corners with them on when it's pouring down) and much, much quieter.
You have described how Michelin Primacys from the late 90s are better. Well, a friend replaced Michelin Primacys with Falken FK452s and found them a massive leap forward from the Primacy in both the wet and dry. You then get a similar jump again when you go to Eagle F1 Assymetrics or similar. P6000s are, by todays standard, very very bad.I must say though, that when up for replacement I plumped for Michelin Primacy HPs (OEM fit for my car) and found that they're are slightly more confidence inspiring in the wet (actually, it's a joy to rail round corners with them on when it's pouring down) and much, much quieter.
replaced mismatching, old, perrished trade tyres with them on an old scirocco. fantastic in comparison, dry grip was good and they were quite progressive. as said, a bit snappy and generally low on the grip side in the wet.
they do wear well, good for a commuting hack i guess.
after trying more premium brands though, i'd never go back, and would probably take them off a car i bought regardless of wear
what irkes(?) me most is the fact everyone buys them, simply because, everyone else buys them. they pay over the odds for the bloody things, discount everything else then tell you how great they are because that's what their old man said once.
grr
they do wear well, good for a commuting hack i guess.
after trying more premium brands though, i'd never go back, and would probably take them off a car i bought regardless of wear
what irkes(?) me most is the fact everyone buys them, simply because, everyone else buys them. they pay over the odds for the bloody things, discount everything else then tell you how great they are because that's what their old man said once.
grr
300bhp/ton said:
Not saying there aren't better tyres these days, but I seriously can't believe there are anywhere near as bad as some claim and it certainly doesn't tally with my own experience.
So are you saying that you think all the people who claim to have got a slow speed slide on or lost grip in the wet on P6000s are wrong or making it up? It does sound from this thread as though they perform very differently on heavier cars...but on lighter ones my own experience is that once they've done more than about 5000miles they ARE as bad as some claim.
Doniger said:
300bhp/ton said:
Not saying there aren't better tyres these days, but I seriously can't believe there are anywhere near as bad as some claim and it certainly doesn't tally with my own experience.
So are you saying that you think all the people who claim to have got a slow speed slide on or lost grip in the wet on P6000s are wrong or making it up? It does sound from this thread as though they perform very differently on heavier cars...but on lighter ones my own experience is that once they've done more than about 5000miles they ARE as bad as some claim.
I had them on my TT, thought at the time - Pirelli seems like a reliable brand name. I bought new 18" V6 TT style wheels which michelin Pilot sports already fitted, Jesus christ they were 10x better.
Quieter and had sooooo much more grip in wet and dry, and honestry made it feel like a different car.
I sell part worn tyres, and the P6000`s sell just as well as anything else in my opinion
Quieter and had sooooo much more grip in wet and dry, and honestry made it feel like a different car.
I sell part worn tyres, and the P6000`s sell just as well as anything else in my opinion
300bhp/ton said:
Not saying there aren't better tyres these days, but I seriously can't believe there are anywhere near as bad as some claim and it certainly doesn't tally with my own experience.
You've proven time and again that your opinions are usually totally different to everyone else's. I guess cross posting from a different universe has it's disadvantages. When I bought the Corsa in 2004 I had a choice of cars sitting in the lot. 3 identical cars, two on Continental PremiumContact, one on Pirelli P6000. I chose the one on Pirellis, as I'd had OE fit Continentals on my new 106 which were shockingly bad. Big mistake.
Edited by HellDiver on Saturday 16th October 11:22
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