RE: Full Details: 2011 Nissan GT-R

[skirmish]

I know someone who used to own one and it was devestatingly fast.
Interestingly enough he sold it for a monaro VXR Bathurst.

From what I gather, it really is as has been mentioned and electronics etc doing everything for you.
He has loads more fun in his Bathurst.

£45k is do-able for many people for a used one, but think of the costs of running and repairs.....ridiculous.
I once saw an article about a simple front end minor bump and it was £15k or similar money to repair, as the ECU and allsorts had to be replaced as a result. Pnematic rams went off in the bonnet or something aswell. This is madness in my eyes. This sort of thing puts this car well out the reach of your average Joe, because you litterally wouldnt be able to repair the thing! I love Jap cars as they represent insane performance for your average working class person. I love impreza's, Evo's and The R32-33 GTR's, I own a DC2 at the moment. These are the kind of cars that the likes of Nissan and Toyota, Honda etc need to focus on. This is where a big portion of their fan base
is, affordable performance within reach of the average person. This is what made the Japanese performance cars such Heroes. I think the way has been lost somewhat.

We need some working class, highly turbocharged, ridiculously paced lairy-mobiles....... Back to Basics.

Vauxhall and ford have the recipe right at the moment I think.

Come on Japan....sort it out!

[davidcharles]

skirmish said:

I know someone who used to own one and it was devestatingly fast.
Interestingly enough he sold it for a monaro VXR Bathurst.

From what I gather, it really is as has been mentioned and electronics etc doing everything for you.
He has loads more fun in his Bathurst.

£45k is do-able for many people for a used one, but think of the costs of running and repairs.....ridiculous.
I once saw an article about a simple front end minor bump and it was £15k or similar money to repair, as the ECU and allsorts had to be replaced as a result. Pnematic rams went off in the bonnet or something aswell. This is madness in my eyes. This sort of thing puts this car well out the reach of your average Joe, because you litterally wouldnt be able to repair the thing! I love Jap cars as they represent insane performance for your average working class person. I love impreza's, Evo's and The R32-33 GTR's, I own a DC2 at the moment. These are the kind of cars that the likes of Nissan and Toyota, Honda etc need to focus on. This is where a big portion of their fan base
is, affordable performance within reach of the average person. This is what made the Japanese performance cars such Heroes. I think the way has been lost somewhat.

We need some working class, highly turbocharged, ridiculously paced lairy-mobiles....... Back to Basics.

Vauxhall and ford have the recipe right at the moment I think.

Come on Japan....sort it out!

i guess it comes down to what you want your car for. I certainly wouldn't want a Bathurst on a windy slippy back road for fear of death, a GTR would cope much better. Might be more fun in the Bathurst on occasions but you can't loon about all the time. Agree about Japanese cars...type r's have got fatter/heavier when they're supposed to be light, Supra's have been gone too long, Impreza's aren't what they used to be not too mention pulsar gti-r, celica gt4's etc

[skirmish]

exactly, that was the point im trying to make. Pulsar GtiR theres another. GT4's. theyve all gone!


I was at an airfield fun day with him in the wet in the bathurst and th grip level was phenominal, i was really suprised actually!

Also if you have a minor bump in the front with the bathurst there wouldnt be a million rams etc going off and a change of ecu. lol

[Dagnut]

daz4m said:

Dagnut said:

daz4m said:

Dagnut, I disagree, if you have a budget to spend on a car you can compare anything you like up to that budget. This isn't a magazine test it's real life.

I understand, I have never bought a brand new car and never will, but to be subjective you can only compare list prices new, how else can you judge the value of a product, any product?
If you want to spend you 70k on a used 911 that's fine but you can't say it represents better value when a used GTR which comes in at 40k... there's so many permutations involved with residuals, running cost, mileage, service up keep etc.
To use the PH article with the M6 v GTR as a reference doesn't make the argument any more valid either, that article was completely irrelevant IMO and price shouldn't have been brought into it.
Should I spend 55k on a E92 M3 when I can get a used R8 for 50k? Should I buy a used 430 for 90k or a brand new 911 for 85K?
You can only pitch a car against it's peers on a level play field, out of the box.

Still don't agree mate. If I'm buying a used car I can compare anything that's in budget and then make a decision based on that. One will be newer but one will likely be faster, better equipped etc you weigh up the pros and cons of each option then go for it.

So what's the point of comparing the new price of any car then? There always be a cheaper used alternative.
So when you buy a 2008 911tt you could buy a 2005 430 or a 2006 Gallardo?

[daz4m]

Dagnut said:

daz4m said:

Dagnut said:

daz4m said:

Dagnut, I disagree, if you have a budget to spend on a car you can compare anything you like up to that budget. This isn't a magazine test it's real life.

I understand, I have never bought a brand new car and never will, but to be subjective you can only compare list prices new, how else can you judge the value of a product, any product?
If you want to spend you 70k on a used 911 that's fine but you can't say it represents better value when a used GTR which comes in at 40k... there's so many permutations involved with residuals, running cost, mileage, service up keep etc.
To use the PH article with the M6 v GTR as a reference doesn't make the argument any more valid either, that article was completely irrelevant IMO and price shouldn't have been brought into it.
Should I spend 55k on a E92 M3 when I can get a used R8 for 50k? Should I buy a used 430 for 90k or a brand new 911 for 85K?
You can only pitch a car against it's peers on a level play field, out of the box.

Still don't agree mate. If I'm buying a used car I can compare anything that's in budget and then make a decision based on that. One will be newer but one will likely be faster, better equipped etc you weigh up the pros and cons of each option then go for it.

So what's the point of comparing the new price of any car then? There always be a cheaper used alternative.
So when you buy a 2008 911tt you could buy a 2005 430 or a 2006 Gallardo?

Because you may want a newer car with a longer warranty, in better condition as opposed to something that is better but slightly older. You can compare whatever you want to, there are pros and cons in both options. It annoys me when people come on here and dictate what we can and can't compare, WE CAN!

[davidcharles]

skirmish said:

exactly, that was the point im trying to make. Pulsar GtiR theres another. GT4's. theyve all gone!


I was at an airfield fun day with him in the wet in the bathurst and th grip level was phenominal, i was really suprised actually!

Also if you have a minor bump in the front with the bathurst there wouldnt be a million rams etc going off and a change of ecu. lol

..true..i actually like the VXR8 , i just "assume" its not the sharp driving tool the GTR is...but i bet its great fun in the right situation. A bit like the old Monaro VXR really as well...u can pick one of those up for ridiculous money at the minute but thats another thread!

[Dagnut]

daz4m said:

Dagnut said:

daz4m said:

Dagnut said:

daz4m said:

Dagnut, I disagree, if you have a budget to spend on a car you can compare anything you like up to that budget. This isn't a magazine test it's real life.

I understand, I have never bought a brand new car and never will, but to be subjective you can only compare list prices new, how else can you judge the value of a product, any product?
If you want to spend you 70k on a used 911 that's fine but you can't say it represents better value when a used GTR which comes in at 40k... there's so many permutations involved with residuals, running cost, mileage, service up keep etc.
To use the PH article with the M6 v GTR as a reference doesn't make the argument any more valid either, that article was completely irrelevant IMO and price shouldn't have been brought into it.
Should I spend 55k on a E92 M3 when I can get a used R8 for 50k? Should I buy a used 430 for 90k or a brand new 911 for 85K?
You can only pitch a car against it's peers on a level play field, out of the box.

Still don't agree mate. If I'm buying a used car I can compare anything that's in budget and then make a decision based on that. One will be newer but one will likely be faster, better equipped etc you weigh up the pros and cons of each option then go for it.

So what's the point of comparing the new price of any car then? There always be a cheaper used alternative.
So when you buy a 2008 911tt you could buy a 2005 430 or a 2006 Gallardo?

Because you may want a newer car with a longer warranty, in better condition as opposed to something that is better but slightly older. You can compare whatever you want to, there are pros and cons in both options. It annoys me when people come on here and dictate what we can and can't compare, WE CAN!

But its not being objective about the value of the car.

"I'd rather spend 70k on a used 911"

"I'd rather spend 70k on a bionic arm and a tub of unicorn spunk"

Neither are fair comparisons IMO. would I spend the 70k on a used 911t?..maybe but its irrelevant.

[chazwozza]

Blimey, almost as touchy on here as the bonneville ferrari posts.....

[E36GUY]

madras said:

E36GUY said:

Is it only me that feels absolutely nothing for this car?

Have you driven one?

No. I'm sure it's awesome and I doff my hat at it's performance for the price but I cannot personally muster even one little iota of interest in it. I see one on the street and it's a large case of "meh." It just does absolutely nothing emotional for me. As a previous poster says, 2 year old 997 or one of these. No contest, I would have the Porsche. Another poster made reference to weight. I was lucky enough to be at a Rockingham track day in September where there were only 10 cars there all day. One red GTR spent almost all day in the pits with its owner doing nothing but moan about it chewing up its tyres. That does not sound like fun to me.

[Blue Meanie]

I'm not sure you can take the opinion of one man in a pit when it comes to judging a car.

[KM666]

saw a r35 on the m4 other day, looks great, really low and wide, shame it wasnt making ANY noise! but then iv rode shotgun in a 480bhp gts with a screamer pipe

[Dagnut]

E36GUY said:

madras said:

E36GUY said:

Is it only me that feels absolutely nothing for this car?

Have you driven one?

No. I'm sure it's awesome and I doff my hat at it's performance for the price but I cannot personally muster even one little iota of interest in it. I see one on the street and it's a large case of "meh." It just does absolutely nothing emotional for me. As a previous poster says, 2 year old 997 or one of these. No contest, I would have the Porsche. Another poster made reference to weight. I was lucky enough to be at a Rockingham track day in September where there were only 10 cars there all day. One red GTR spent almost all day in the pits with its owner doing nothing but moan about it chewing up its tyres. That does not sound like fun to me.

In all honesty, would you take a 05 430 or an 08 911tt?

[daz4m]

Dagnut said:

daz4m said:

Dagnut said:

daz4m said:

Dagnut said:

daz4m said:

Dagnut, I disagree, if you have a budget to spend on a car you can compare anything you like up to that budget. This isn't a magazine test it's real life.

I understand, I have never bought a brand new car and never will, but to be subjective you can only compare list prices new, how else can you judge the value of a product, any product?
If you want to spend you 70k on a used 911 that's fine but you can't say it represents better value when a used GTR which comes in at 40k... there's so many permutations involved with residuals, running cost, mileage, service up keep etc.
To use the PH article with the M6 v GTR as a reference doesn't make the argument any more valid either, that article was completely irrelevant IMO and price shouldn't have been brought into it.
Should I spend 55k on a E92 M3 when I can get a used R8 for 50k? Should I buy a used 430 for 90k or a brand new 911 for 85K?
You can only pitch a car against it's peers on a level play field, out of the box.

Still don't agree mate. If I'm buying a used car I can compare anything that's in budget and then make a decision based on that. One will be newer but one will likely be faster, better equipped etc you weigh up the pros and cons of each option then go for it.

So what's the point of comparing the new price of any car then? There always be a cheaper used alternative.
So when you buy a 2008 911tt you could buy a 2005 430 or a 2006 Gallardo?

Because you may want a newer car with a longer warranty, in better condition as opposed to something that is better but slightly older. You can compare whatever you want to, there are pros and cons in both options. It annoys me when people come on here and dictate what we can and can't compare, WE CAN!

But its not being objective about the value of the car.

"I'd rather spend 70k on a used 911"

"I'd rather spend 70k on a bionic arm and a tub of unicorn spunk"

Neither are fair comparisons IMO. would I spend the 70k on a used 911t?..maybe but its irrelevant.

My argument all along has been that if it's your own money and budget it is completely relevant to compare a new against a used car. The more expensive is usually the better car but in a purchase decision other factors such as age, wear and tear etc come into it.

The problem is the latter factors aren't always considered in the comparison.

[Beefmeister]

The Autocar review is rather glowing:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Ni...

[marky911]

I'm with daz4m on this.
If I've got X amount of pounds for a car, I scour the classifieds, checking out absolutely every option, whether it be used or new, big or small. I look into every single possible car that may fit my needs.
I thought this was widely accepted by most petrolheads to be one of the age old dilemmas when car shopping. Buy something new with all the gadgets, or buy something older thats more special and cost way more a few years ago.
As for the GTR. If people come on and say they feel nothing for it, then people banging on about it all day, isn't going to convince them. I still don't.
Just opinion. Everyones got one.

[Lakeland9]

Just so. I think my GTR is great, but I wouldn't buy a 911. The Cityboy image is one I wouldn't live with- and I think the GTR is much less likely to kill me.

If, as has been said you like either of them, then fine. They're both great cars.

However, I do get a bit tired of armchair petrolheads saying they don't want a GTR due to their perception of its driving dynamics. They wouldn't say that if they'd driven it, believe me.

[bobberz]

E36GUY said:

madras said:

E36GUY said:

Is it only me that feels absolutely nothing for this car?

Have you driven one?

No. I'm sure it's awesome and I doff my hat at it's performance for the price but I cannot personally muster even one little iota of interest in it. I see one on the street and it's a large case of "meh." It just does absolutely nothing emotional for me. As a previous poster says, 2 year old 997 or one of these. No contest, I would have the Porsche. Another poster made reference to weight. I was lucky enough to be at a Rockingham track day in September where there were only 10 cars there all day. One red GTR spent almost all day in the pits with its owner doing nothing but moan about it chewing up its tyres. That does not sound like fun to me.

Conversely, I feel absolutely nothing for the 997. I've loved Porsches since I was 5 or 6, but the current car leaves me cold. I base this purely on how it looks, as I've never driven one. TBH, the GTR seems more special, as I don't see 20 billion of them per day! The 911 just seems like such a "common" car today. The only 997 that I feel any kind of desire for is the GT3. Even then, compared to a 993 Turbo....

[bobberz]

Dagnut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Benjman said:

Blue Meanie said:

It's only soulless if you think it has no soul. Whether you like it or not, cars don;t actually have souls. They are machines. This whole notion of Japanese cars being soulless is really, dull, and says more about the person than the car.

Isn't that 'car soul' talking just about legitimation for when parts fell of or the car won't start in the morning?

Yeah, then all this jap metall has no soul

They aren't issues, they are character traits

We have Top gear to thank for a generation of people who think about "soul" when buying a car. It's fine to laugh and quip about faults with your Alf when you've bought it for 1500 quid and trash it for 3 days before romanticizing about it for a tv show, the reality of owning an Alf is you'll spend more time referring to it as "that useless heap of sh!t" than you will pretending to have fun driving it.

On that note, I have an Irish friend who came up with a possible ad slogan touting the combined engineering "heritage" of the FIAT-Chrysler merger. "The new FIAT-Chrysler: It's SUPPOSED to make that noise!"

[bobberz]

davidcharles said:

BUT i would still chuck my beloved R33 off a cliff to get one.

Don't do that! You could kindly donate it to me

[bobberz]

Dagnut said:

........"I'd rather spend 70k on a bionic arm and a tub of unicorn spunk"