RE: Full Details: 2011 Nissan GT-R

[Godzilla]

markcoznottz said:

Cant see what the new wheels are like. Front bumper restyle. Yuck. Change for changes sake. New tailpipes are too big, almost cartoon like proportions. Have you noticed those little slats theyve put on the rear bumper behind the rear wheels?. LEAVE THINGS ALONE. Just leave. Useless fussy additions,the car doesnt need them. The original car is a purposeful design, very coherant,maybe not beautiful, maybe not everyones cup of tea, but its not overdone, with one of the best standard wheel designs ever.

Bigger brakes?. How big?. If its the same calipers but bigger discs then it will be approaching 400mm, which is huge for a steel disc. Maybe these were needed from the off.

Actually the extra canards are mainly responsible for the 10% increase in downforce. The slats in the rear valance help cool the rear underbody which helps keep the diff and transaxle cool. Very little on the exterior was done purely for styling.

Brakes are up 10mm to 390mm. No heavier though and apparently designed by Mizuno himself to reduce the cracking issues the original car had.

I was lucky enough to get a ride with Toshio Suzuki around the Ring in the car a few weeks ago and even coming from my 612hp version, it felt decently quick and devastating around the corners. http://www.auto-journals.com/features/238

Those who can see beyond blind prejudice will have noticed my colleague John Barker's review in this month's evo where he praised the chassis changes very highly, mentioning the balance was now reminiscent of a 599GTB...

[markcoznottz]

Godzilla said:

markcoznottz said:

Cant see what the new wheels are like. Front bumper restyle. Yuck. Change for changes sake. New tailpipes are too big, almost cartoon like proportions. Have you noticed those little slats theyve put on the rear bumper behind the rear wheels?. LEAVE THINGS ALONE. Just leave. Useless fussy additions,the car doesnt need them. The original car is a purposeful design, very coherant,maybe not beautiful, maybe not everyones cup of tea, but its not overdone, with one of the best standard wheel designs ever.

Bigger brakes?. How big?. If its the same calipers but bigger discs then it will be approaching 400mm, which is huge for a steel disc. Maybe these were needed from the off.

Actually the extra canards are mainly responsible for the 10% increase in downforce. The slats in the rear valance help cool the rear underbody which helps keep the diff and transaxle cool. Very little on the exterior was done purely for styling.

Brakes are up 10mm to 390mm. No heavier though and apparently designed by Mizuno himself to reduce the cracking issues the original car had.

I was lucky enough to get a ride with Toshio Suzuki around the Ring in the car a few weeks ago and even coming from my 612hp version, it felt decently quick and devastating around the corners. http://www.auto-journals.com/features/238

Those who can see beyond blind prejudice will have noticed my colleague John Barker's review in this month's evo where he praised the chassis changes very highly, mentioning the balance was now reminiscent of a 599GTB...

Sorry i just think the original is such a clean design. Car manufs always tinker and it spoils the styling, which to me is soo important. I didnt know the brakes had cracking issues, but i suppose the car has to show its weight somewhere.

[TheOrangePeril]

Blue Meanie said:

Whether you like it or not, cars don;t actually have souls. They are machines.

Which makes them very much like humans then!?

If we view consciousness (and soul) as it is: a very inefficient form of hypothetical situation planning, surely - in just the same way - it is the quirks and foibles of a car that give it 'soul'.

The smell of unburned four star when your E-type's running a bit rich, the way a VXR Astra decides to shoot you onwards as the turbo boosts you through a 2500rpm apex - sending your adrenaline through the roof as you try to claw it away from the hedge.

That's soul. That's what makes driving fun.

[Blue Meanie]

TheOrangePeril said:

Blue Meanie said:

Whether you like it or not, cars don;t actually have souls. They are machines.

Which makes them very much like humans then!?

If we view consciousness (and soul) as it is: a very inefficient form of hypothetical situation planning, surely - in just the same way - it is the quirks and foibles of a car that give it 'soul'.

The smell of unburned four star when your E-type's running a bit rich, the way a VXR Astra decides to shoot you onwards as the turbo boosts you through a 2500rpm apex - sending your adrenaline through the roof as you try to claw it away from the hedge.

That's soul. That's what makes driving fun.

I agree with it to an extent, however, for blanket statements about lack of soul is absurd. Tha bwas the point. Every machine out there has a soul, according to your definition. That soul is simply how it handles, drives, sounds, and all that stuff. I fail to see how the GTR has no soul according to your definition.

I hare with your analogy about humans as well. Many people talk about souls and humans, yet what we see as a soul is simply chemical reactions, and firing neurons in our brain. An entirely physical process. The same is for a car. The engineered traits may be what we call a soul, but it is a physical thing.

[Marf]

Looks great in that colour.

[Tonto]

alexpa said:

Is this why GT5 is delayed

Katzanori Chocazuni what his face is busy hustleing his new GTR around Tokyo with the midnight club

Edited by alexpa on Tuesday 19th October 16:39

Quite probably. It will get delayed and just before the release, someone else will come out with a new model and he will say... "oh got to have that in as well.... cancel the release date people, the punters won't mind!".

[Tallbut Buxomly]

Ahh just got a mail from nissan about it.

Apparently it has set another record at the ring of 7:24.22.

[Stu R]

In that colour, I could be tempted, it's stunning. The price puts paid to that happening any time soon however.

[george h]

Still as ugly ever.

[mcelliott]

I notice it's big brother (the spec V) was trounced by the Porker RS and the Beemer GTS in this month's Evo's group test.

[David87]

Money no object, that is the first car I'd go and buy. An absolutely stunning machine just got even better.

[Diamond blue]

mcelliott said:

I notice it's big brother (the spec V) was trounced by the Porker RS and the Beemer GTS in this month's Evo's group test.

It lost certainly, but trounced is a bit strong. The GT3RS in particular is an amazing car.
As I read it the ride of the spec V was the clincher. The car was, I think, acknowledged as the quickest car on test and the feeling was its not as good as the base model.

The spec V is a slightly strange product from Nissan. No extra power, not much lighter, rock hard, non adjustable suspension that doesn't suit UK roads all for double the money

[rickyquicky]

"At the rear a new bumper has a new lower centre of gravity while the quad tailpipes have increased in girth"

What!!! As if they weren't big enough already?!

The tailpipes are far too big and cheapens the look of the car IMO

[rickyquicky]

"At the rear a new bumper has a new lower centre of gravity while the quad tailpipes have increased in girth"

What!!! As if they weren't big enough already?!

The tailpipes are far too big and cheapens the look of the car IMO

[Wing Commander]

Wayney said:

For £40k Used there's nothing that comes close to beating this car for handelling and insane power!!

Whilst it is definately up there, my money would go on the other type of GTR...

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1978382.htm

£8000 for mods and a cool, comfy daily.

[y2blade]

marky911 said:

E36GUY said:

Is it only me that feels absolutely nothing for this car?

Nope. Me too. I grew out of soulless jap stuff years ago. I can respect some of it for it's abilities but, have no interest in any of it. I prefer me doing the driving, not the car.
Fans see all these new gizmos it has as amazing. I just think, weight.
Boring!!!! zzzzz.

it just leaves me feeling cold...nothing desirable about it at all




I'm sure it is a fantastic car though

[Trommel]

Does a 997 Turbo S leave you feeling cold? Because it should if a GT-R does.

[mybrainhurts]

NeMiSiS said:

'G' gauges make cars fun, always pushing the envelope.

You need a bigger letter box....

[Wadeski]

no, German cars have imagine remember

[mybrainhurts]

Wadeski said:

no, German cars have imagine remember

I think that lost something in translation...