RE: Driven: Bugatti Veyron Super Sport

[AndrewW-G]

Patrick Bateman said:

A 'proper' Bugatti?

That would be a Bugatti made by Bugatti not VW's interpritation of what Bug would be producing had they continued making cars 60 years after Ettore died. . . . . . I doubt Ettore would consider the Veyrons Pur Sang

[Blue Meanie]

AndrewW-G said:

Patrick Bateman said:

A 'proper' Bugatti?

That would be a Bugatti made by Bugatti not VW's interpritation of what Bug would be producing had they continued making cars 60 years after Ettore died. . . . . . I doubt Ettore would consider the Veyrons Pur Sang

No true Scotsman...

[harryowl]

hairykrishna said:

BILL PAYER said:

One word "Ultima" it might not have been official but we all know it has gone around there faster than anything else by a long margin and at a fraction of the price

The Ultima was on slicks. Makes it considerably less impressive.

The Ultima has done a time of 1:12.8 on road legal tyres...

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/Content.aspx?f=recor...

[BILL PAYER]

Ahonen said:

BILL PAYER said:

Patrick Bateman said:

BILL PAYER said:

Im no fan of Top Gear but it was not over impressive on the test track. the tyres were screaming for mercy as i recall and if the drag race between the Bugatti and the F1 had been over 1/4 mile as is the norm it would have been a complete miss match in the F1s favour. the bugatti only pulled ahead when its higher top speed came into play

Wasn't overly impressive? What would have been impressive?

Tyres screaming for mercy? On the limit of grip?! Never...

One word "Ultima" it might not have been official but we all know it has gone around there faster than anything else by a long margin and at a fraction of the price

Yes, we have a winner!

Page 5 for the first mention of the Ultima. I was becoming slightly concerned that a whole Veyron (or other supercar) thread might pass without the inevitable Hinckley-based kit car comparison, but I'm delighted to see that when the chips were down PH delivered in spades.

Edited by Ahonen on Thursday 28th October 11:14

Its not about having a winner,as you put it,do you not feel that any car with the outright performance of an Ultima can hold its own against any of todays so called hypercars ?

[BILL PAYER]

Just a furthur note to all those on here going on about the Ultima havin slicks. When it was on road tyres it still went around over three seconds quicker than the veyron, but maybe the Stig was having a bad day with the Bugatti LOL

Edited by BILL PAYER on Saturday 30th October 00:59

[Blue Meanie]

BILL PAYER said:

Ahonen said:

BILL PAYER said:

Patrick Bateman said:

BILL PAYER said:

Im no fan of Top Gear but it was not over impressive on the test track. the tyres were screaming for mercy as i recall and if the drag race between the Bugatti and the F1 had been over 1/4 mile as is the norm it would have been a complete miss match in the F1s favour. the bugatti only pulled ahead when its higher top speed came into play

Wasn't overly impressive? What would have been impressive?

Tyres screaming for mercy? On the limit of grip?! Never...

One word "Ultima" it might not have been official but we all know it has gone around there faster than anything else by a long margin and at a fraction of the price

Yes, we have a winner!

Page 5 for the first mention of the Ultima. I was becoming slightly concerned that a whole Veyron (or other supercar) thread might pass without the inevitable Hinckley-based kit car comparison, but I'm delighted to see that when the chips were down PH delivered in spades.

Edited by Ahonen on Thursday 28th October 11:14

Its not about having a winner,as you put it,do you not feel that any car with the outright performance of an Ultima can hold its own against any of todays so called hypercars ?

What does that have to do with anything, never mind the subject at hand, (The Veyron, decidedly different class than the Ultima)

[johnpeat]

Beefmeister said:

Sutters Autocar review said:

But the number to end all numbers concerning the Super Sport, the one that will stop you in your tracks and make you either laugh or cry, is this; in the same time that it takes a McLaren F1 to get from rest to 200mph, the Veyron SS can go from zero to 200mph and back again – and then do zero to 60mph as well. Think about that for a moment – and then think about it for a little while longer.

F**king hell!

There's another fact about the F1 vs Bugatti thing which I think is more impressive.

If you launch a McF1 and get it upto 110mph as just as you do that you pass a Veyron which has just launched - it will beat you to 200mph

THAT - ladies and gentlemen - is how utterly and mind-bendingly fast this thing is and the SS is quicker (quite a bit quicker it seems).

Edited by johnpeat on Saturday 30th October 01:23

[tossbag]

BILL PAYER said:

Just a furthur note to all those on here going on about the Ultima havin slicks. When it was on road tyres it still went around over three seconds quicker than the veyron, but maybe the Stig was having a bad day with the Bugatti LOL

Edited by BILL PAYER on Saturday 30th October 00:59

Who are you, the Top Gear bingo master?
At this point I'm embarrassed for you.

[davidspooner]

I must admit that I still watch the Chris Harris vid and salivate every so often

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=ddBrgMHrg...

Must be nice to have an uprated version on test.

[Bill]

BILL PAYER said:

Just a furthur note to all those on here going on about the Ultima havin slicks. When it was on road tyres it still went around over three seconds quicker than the veyron, but maybe the Stig was having a bad day with the Bugatti LOL

Edited by BILL PAYER on Saturday 30th October 00:59

And of course he's going to be as bonkers gung-ho in a million pounds worth of Bug as he was in the R500 or an Ultima.

I have to say that I haven't really got theBug up to now, but some of the figures are truly mind boggling.

[XitUp]

Bill said:

BILL PAYER said:

Just a furthur note to all those on here going on about the Ultima havin slicks. When it was on road tyres it still went around over three seconds quicker than the veyron, but maybe the Stig was having a bad day with the Bugatti LOL

Edited by BILL PAYER on Saturday 30th October 00:59

And of course he's going to be as bonkers gung-ho in a million pounds worth of Bug as he was in the R500 or an Ultima.

I have to say that I haven't really got theBug up to now, but some of the figures are truly mind boggling.

Why would he need to be, I thought the Veyron was really easy to drive fast?

But yes, the Ultima and Veyron are not really comparable.

[harryowl]

Bill said:

BILL PAYER said:

Just a furthur note to all those on here going on about the Ultima havin slicks. When it was on road tyres it still went around over three seconds quicker than the veyron, but maybe the Stig was having a bad day with the Bugatti LOL

Edited by BILL PAYER on Saturday 30th October 00:59

And of course he's going to be as bonkers gung-ho in a million pounds worth of Bug as he was in the R500 or an Ultima.

I have to say that I haven't really got theBug up to now, but some of the figures are truly mind boggling.

looked like he was going pretty gung ho when he crashed the koenigsegg and when went 6 seconds faster in the caparo....

[Blue Meanie]

You guys still comparing the bug with a caparo? Great work... Keep it up.

[RudeDog]

Regarding the Veyron vs Ultima argument, I think most of you have overlooked the fact that the Ultima's look shyte and is the reason more people spot million pound Veyron's on the road than they do 'Cheap as chips' Ultima's.

[BILL PAYER]

tossbag said:

BILL PAYER said:

Just a furthur note to all those on here going on about the Ultima havin slicks. When it was on road tyres it still went around over three seconds quicker than the veyron, but maybe the Stig was having a bad day with the Bugatti LOL

Edited by BILL PAYER on Saturday 30th October 00:59

Who are you, the Top Gear bingo master?
At this point I'm embarrassed for you.

Cant stand the program.but facts are facts as you just carry on living up to your name Mr Bag

[Murcielago_Boy]

Animal said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

I have to confess somewhat sadly as an owner that Ferrari's are still made like dog-crap. When will they learn to engineer quality?

Are Lamborghini the same?

I think so (haven't run a Lambo for a while mate) - they're improving but they're not comparable to the Bugatti or my friends Porsche Carrera GT which are both on different planets of quality.

Example - The old 6.2 Murci I used to run, needed to have the sunglass holder in the ceiling taped up to stop falling open under hard braking. FFS! The interior headline panel where it met the scissor doors would come off if you shut the door too hard. The gas pistons that raised the doors started to fail, the switches didn't work after some time and the front suspension lift failed and then failed again.... The Germans may address this going forward, but the Italians are NOT interested. They may improve but they'll NEVER produce a quality product because the rest of world leaves them behind whenever they progress making their efforts look amateur.
Next time you're around an Enzo, just have a close look at the way the rear engine lid meets the rest of the rear of the car. A well known owner (plate EN20) had two new engine covers and had a HUGE ruckus with Italy because he couldn't believe that they were prepared to finish a car like that - his car had a couple of inch gap ....An absolute disgrace. This is a car that cost £420,000 new UK list. Shocking.

I know I'm not supposed to care (it's all about speed, involvement blah blah) but when your pal shows you his CGT or you jump into a Bugatti at a showroom, the Ferrari/Lamborghini's feel a bit "fake-rolex" if you know what I meant.

That's why the Bugatti Veyron is so compelling for those how can afford it. A QUALITY supercar, the first since the McLaren F1.

P.S. The F50 is a rare Ferrari exception. Made without compromise. Felt quality!

[hairykrishna]

harryowl said:

hairykrishna said:

BILL PAYER said:

One word "Ultima" it might not have been official but we all know it has gone around there faster than anything else by a long margin and at a fraction of the price

The Ultima was on slicks. Makes it considerably less impressive.

The Ultima has done a time of 1:12.8 on road legal tyres...

http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/Content.aspx?f=recor...

True. I was thinking of the bonkers 1.09 or whatever it was. I think it was on some crazy Avons that stretch the definition of 'road legal' to the limit for the 1:12.8 but that's fairly irrelevant when the bugs tyres are 20 odd grand a set!

[BILL PAYER]

VAG are marketing the Veyron as the fastest car in the world, which in real world terms when you start to put bends and corners into the equasion, it most certainly is not. Its the same situation in the motorcycle world where you have fast 1300cc plus super tourers, with very high top speeds that can easily be bested around a cicuit or on twisty road by machines of half the capacity, Too many peple on here confuse top speed with performance, they are two very different matters, at the end of the day its all about balance, speed,handling ,braking .

[AV12]

I don't think Bugatti claimed it to be the "fastest car on a twisty road", do you?

It's the fastest meaning a car with the highest proven top speed. Owing to your constant quoting of top gear you must have seen the top speed verified, both times.

It is a simply stupendously fast, high quality car which has yet to be beaten for sheer pace in a straight line. Bugatti were not going for Ferrari, they created without trying a niche "Hypercar" sector. It is only now cars of quality (NOT specials with stripped interiors based on American V8s) are catching up and want a piece of the £1m Hypercar sector. Notice how much £500,000+ cars there are now?

While it's not everyone's taste, you simply cannot deny its a history making car and is hardly "soulless". I wonder if it was made in Italy would people be saying the same comment

[AV12]

Murcielago_Boy said:

Animal said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

I have to confess somewhat sadly as an owner that Ferrari's are still made like dog-crap. When will they learn to engineer quality?

Are Lamborghini the same?

I think so (haven't run a Lambo for a while mate) - they're improving but they're not comparable to the Bugatti or my friends Porsche Carrera GT which are both on different planets of quality.

Example - The old 6.2 Murci I used to run, needed to have the sunglass holder in the ceiling taped up to stop falling open under hard braking. FFS! The interior headline panel where it met the scissor doors would come off if you shut the door too hard. The gas pistons that raised the doors started to fail, the switches didn't work after some time and the front suspension lift failed and then failed again.... The Germans may address this going forward, but the Italians are NOT interested. They may improve but they'll NEVER produce a quality product because the rest of world leaves them behind whenever they progress making their efforts look amateur.
Next time you're around an Enzo, just have a close look at the way the rear engine lid meets the rest of the rear of the car. A well known owner (plate EN20) had two new engine covers and had a HUGE ruckus with Italy because he couldn't believe that they were prepared to finish a car like that - his car had a couple of inch gap ....An absolute disgrace. This is a car that cost £420,000 new UK list. Shocking.

I know I'm not supposed to care (it's all about speed, involvement blah blah) but when your pal shows you his CGT or you jump into a Bugatti at a showroom, the Ferrari/Lamborghini's feel a bit "fake-rolex" if you know what I meant.

That's why the Bugatti Veyron is so compelling for those how can afford it. A QUALITY supercar, the first since the McLaren F1.

P.S. The F50 is a rare Ferrari exception. Made without compromise. Felt quality!

I really appreciate the above comments, because not many owners/ex owners will admit that Ferrari or Lambo cars can still be iffy, especially when big money has been paid. Must be infuriating for those that care about such things and/or and use their cars regularily.

It's well known that Porsche build is quality, but I had assumed under Audi ownership that Lambo's quality would increase instantly.

Seems Bugatti's niche in the car market is pretty much ingrained, in that case.