RE: Driven: Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
Discussion
Overrated.
Is there any reviewer with an opinion anymore? No, they just want the $.
Problem 1: Stability.
Evo Magazine asked the guy who test drove the Veyron to 267mph about stability. He said something to the extent that above 255mph it is not that stable. It weaves and follows slight road grooves.
SSC Ultimate Aero was very stable at 257mph on a road that was 10 times worse than Ehra Lessein.
Problem 2: Top speed. I would still like to see it vs the Aero on the same road at the same time. What goes faster and gets there sooner. Add in the 2010 Aero that is even faster.
Problem 3: Handling.
Bugatti claimed 1.5g for the original Veyron. Sorry, but it never managed over 0.94g. So this claim of 1.4g is higher than any other supercar has done, and claimed for a car that weighs 50% more. Yeah. And like Car & Driver said, "It feels more like a Benz SL63 AMG than, say, a BMW M3."
Problem 4: Comfort.
Conflicting reviews? C&D said this about the standard Veyron. "the Veyron proffers the ride of a Mitsubishi Evo that has been modified for professional drifting. Step-off is unpredictable and sometimes abrupt, accompanied by a not-so-charming clunk from the gearbox...At a 70-mph cruise, the Veyron is 8 dB noisier than a Porsche 911 GT2. At full throttle, it is 6 dB noisier than a track-ready Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR. It’s like living inside a snare drum. Those of us who sampled the radio said it wasn’t very good, but it was hard to tell. We couldn’t really hear it." And that is the short version.
Problem 5: FUN.
Do I care if it does 257mph if it is not fun? Not at all. I would rather have a car that does 205mph that is fun to drive and actually looks good.
Is there any reviewer with an opinion anymore? No, they just want the $.
Problem 1: Stability.
Evo Magazine asked the guy who test drove the Veyron to 267mph about stability. He said something to the extent that above 255mph it is not that stable. It weaves and follows slight road grooves.
SSC Ultimate Aero was very stable at 257mph on a road that was 10 times worse than Ehra Lessein.
Problem 2: Top speed. I would still like to see it vs the Aero on the same road at the same time. What goes faster and gets there sooner. Add in the 2010 Aero that is even faster.
Problem 3: Handling.
Bugatti claimed 1.5g for the original Veyron. Sorry, but it never managed over 0.94g. So this claim of 1.4g is higher than any other supercar has done, and claimed for a car that weighs 50% more. Yeah. And like Car & Driver said, "It feels more like a Benz SL63 AMG than, say, a BMW M3."
Problem 4: Comfort.
Conflicting reviews? C&D said this about the standard Veyron. "the Veyron proffers the ride of a Mitsubishi Evo that has been modified for professional drifting. Step-off is unpredictable and sometimes abrupt, accompanied by a not-so-charming clunk from the gearbox...At a 70-mph cruise, the Veyron is 8 dB noisier than a Porsche 911 GT2. At full throttle, it is 6 dB noisier than a track-ready Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR. It’s like living inside a snare drum. Those of us who sampled the radio said it wasn’t very good, but it was hard to tell. We couldn’t really hear it." And that is the short version.
Problem 5: FUN.
Do I care if it does 257mph if it is not fun? Not at all. I would rather have a car that does 205mph that is fun to drive and actually looks good.
KC358 said:
Overrated.
Is there any reviewer with an opinion anymore? No, they just want the $.
Problem 1: Stability.
Evo Magazine asked the guy who test drove the Veyron to 267mph about stability. He said something to the extent that above 255mph it is not that stable. It weaves and follows slight road grooves.
SSC Ultimate Aero was very stable at 257mph on a road that was 10 times worse than Ehra Lessein.
Problem 2: Top speed. I would still like to see it vs the Aero on the same road at the same time. What goes faster and gets there sooner. Add in the 2010 Aero that is even faster.
Problem 3: Handling.
Bugatti claimed 1.5g for the original Veyron. Sorry, but it never managed over 0.94g. So this claim of 1.4g is higher than any other supercar has done, and claimed for a car that weighs 50% more. Yeah. And like Car & Driver said, "It feels more like a Benz SL63 AMG than, say, a BMW M3."
Problem 4: Comfort.
Conflicting reviews? C&D said this about the standard Veyron. "the Veyron proffers the ride of a Mitsubishi Evo that has been modified for professional drifting. Step-off is unpredictable and sometimes abrupt, accompanied by a not-so-charming clunk from the gearbox...At a 70-mph cruise, the Veyron is 8 dB noisier than a Porsche 911 GT2. At full throttle, it is 6 dB noisier than a track-ready Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR. It’s like living inside a snare drum. Those of us who sampled the radio said it wasn’t very good, but it was hard to tell. We couldn’t really hear it." And that is the short version.
Problem 5: FUN.
Do I care if it does 257mph if it is not fun? Not at all. I would rather have a car that does 205mph that is fun to drive and actually looks good.
Take the Aero down the VW test track and see if it's any more stable @ speeds above ~250-255 mph . @ 250-267 mph not a thing that can go that fast staying on the ground will be all that stable , the largest jets are off the ground by that speed ...... I bet on the same track it's going to have the same stability issues @ these speeds on the same stretch of road ...Is there any reviewer with an opinion anymore? No, they just want the $.
Problem 1: Stability.
Evo Magazine asked the guy who test drove the Veyron to 267mph about stability. He said something to the extent that above 255mph it is not that stable. It weaves and follows slight road grooves.
SSC Ultimate Aero was very stable at 257mph on a road that was 10 times worse than Ehra Lessein.
Problem 2: Top speed. I would still like to see it vs the Aero on the same road at the same time. What goes faster and gets there sooner. Add in the 2010 Aero that is even faster.
Problem 3: Handling.
Bugatti claimed 1.5g for the original Veyron. Sorry, but it never managed over 0.94g. So this claim of 1.4g is higher than any other supercar has done, and claimed for a car that weighs 50% more. Yeah. And like Car & Driver said, "It feels more like a Benz SL63 AMG than, say, a BMW M3."
Problem 4: Comfort.
Conflicting reviews? C&D said this about the standard Veyron. "the Veyron proffers the ride of a Mitsubishi Evo that has been modified for professional drifting. Step-off is unpredictable and sometimes abrupt, accompanied by a not-so-charming clunk from the gearbox...At a 70-mph cruise, the Veyron is 8 dB noisier than a Porsche 911 GT2. At full throttle, it is 6 dB noisier than a track-ready Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR. It’s like living inside a snare drum. Those of us who sampled the radio said it wasn’t very good, but it was hard to tell. We couldn’t really hear it." And that is the short version.
Problem 5: FUN.
Do I care if it does 257mph if it is not fun? Not at all. I would rather have a car that does 205mph that is fun to drive and actually looks good.
I just respect the feat of engineering that went into building anything , all that went into making any car that can clock those speeds and stay on the ground .
rotarykid said:
KC358 said:
Overrated.
Is there any reviewer with an opinion anymore? No, they just want the $.
Problem 1: Stability.
Evo Magazine asked the guy who test drove the Veyron to 267mph about stability. He said something to the extent that above 255mph it is not that stable. It weaves and follows slight road grooves.
SSC Ultimate Aero was very stable at 257mph on a road that was 10 times worse than Ehra Lessein.
Problem 2: Top speed. I would still like to see it vs the Aero on the same road at the same time. What goes faster and gets there sooner. Add in the 2010 Aero that is even faster.
Problem 3: Handling.
Bugatti claimed 1.5g for the original Veyron. Sorry, but it never managed over 0.94g. So this claim of 1.4g is higher than any other supercar has done, and claimed for a car that weighs 50% more. Yeah. And like Car & Driver said, "It feels more like a Benz SL63 AMG than, say, a BMW M3."
Problem 4: Comfort.
Conflicting reviews? C&D said this about the standard Veyron. "the Veyron proffers the ride of a Mitsubishi Evo that has been modified for professional drifting. Step-off is unpredictable and sometimes abrupt, accompanied by a not-so-charming clunk from the gearbox...At a 70-mph cruise, the Veyron is 8 dB noisier than a Porsche 911 GT2. At full throttle, it is 6 dB noisier than a track-ready Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR. It’s like living inside a snare drum. Those of us who sampled the radio said it wasn’t very good, but it was hard to tell. We couldn’t really hear it." And that is the short version.
Problem 5: FUN.
Do I care if it does 257mph if it is not fun? Not at all. I would rather have a car that does 205mph that is fun to drive and actually looks good.
Take the Aero down the VW test track and see if it's any more stable @ speeds above ~250-255 mph . @ 250-267 mph not a thing that can go that fast staying on the ground will be all that stable , the largest jets are off the ground by that speed ...... I bet on the same track it's going to have the same stability issues @ these speeds on the same stretch of road ...Is there any reviewer with an opinion anymore? No, they just want the $.
Problem 1: Stability.
Evo Magazine asked the guy who test drove the Veyron to 267mph about stability. He said something to the extent that above 255mph it is not that stable. It weaves and follows slight road grooves.
SSC Ultimate Aero was very stable at 257mph on a road that was 10 times worse than Ehra Lessein.
Problem 2: Top speed. I would still like to see it vs the Aero on the same road at the same time. What goes faster and gets there sooner. Add in the 2010 Aero that is even faster.
Problem 3: Handling.
Bugatti claimed 1.5g for the original Veyron. Sorry, but it never managed over 0.94g. So this claim of 1.4g is higher than any other supercar has done, and claimed for a car that weighs 50% more. Yeah. And like Car & Driver said, "It feels more like a Benz SL63 AMG than, say, a BMW M3."
Problem 4: Comfort.
Conflicting reviews? C&D said this about the standard Veyron. "the Veyron proffers the ride of a Mitsubishi Evo that has been modified for professional drifting. Step-off is unpredictable and sometimes abrupt, accompanied by a not-so-charming clunk from the gearbox...At a 70-mph cruise, the Veyron is 8 dB noisier than a Porsche 911 GT2. At full throttle, it is 6 dB noisier than a track-ready Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR. It’s like living inside a snare drum. Those of us who sampled the radio said it wasn’t very good, but it was hard to tell. We couldn’t really hear it." And that is the short version.
Problem 5: FUN.
Do I care if it does 257mph if it is not fun? Not at all. I would rather have a car that does 205mph that is fun to drive and actually looks good.
I just respect the feat of engineering that went into building anything , all that went into making any car that can clock those speeds and stay on the ground .
Not only that but the road the Aero was tested on had many cambers and grooves that "pull" the car, creating instability. But the Aero was quite manageable at 257mph on that road. Ehra Lessein is perfectly flat and smooth. In 2009 they improved the Aero's aero so it is now 5% more stable.
Also, a couple Firebirds went over 300mph, proving you can go that fast and be on the ground stable.
Blue Meanie said:
CarbonM5 said:
The Veyron is like Concorde but pointless.
What is pointless about it? What is wrong with having a car like the Veyron? What is deemed worthwhile in your view?The Concorde that CarbonM5 brought up is a great way to describe it.
The Veyron is like a Concorde as opposed to a F-16.
The fact that the Concorde can go Mach 1 is an impressive achievement. But that is all it can do. The F-16 can also do Mach 1, but on top of that it can pull massive g's in cornering and high speed acceleration.
In a top speed run the Concorde could nearly hang with the F-16, but set up a Red Bull Air Race World Series type course and the Concorde will be trash.
Not only will the F-16 be quicker but light/nimble feeling will make it a blast. The Concorde will be heavy and cumbersome, not very fun.
The Concorde may have a little more luxuries, but the F-16 is more focused on speed, handling, and fun, yet still docile and comfortable enough to take on a Sunday cruise.
KC358 said:
Blue Meanie said:
CarbonM5 said:
The Veyron is like Concorde but pointless.
What is pointless about it? What is wrong with having a car like the Veyron? What is deemed worthwhile in your view?The Concorde that CarbonM5 brought up is a great way to describe it.
The Veyron is like a Concorde as opposed to a F-16.
The fact that the Concorde can go Mach 1 is an impressive achievement. But that is all it can do. The F-16 can also do Mach 1, but on top of that it can pull massive g's in cornering and high speed acceleration.
In a top speed run the Concorde could nearly hang with the F-16, but set up a Red Bull Air Race World Series type course and the Concorde will be trash.
Not only will the F-16 be quicker but light/nimble feeling will make it a blast. The Concorde will be heavy and cumbersome, not very fun.
The Concorde may have a little more luxuries, but the F-16 is more focused on speed, handling, and fun, yet still docile and comfortable enough to take on a Sunday cruise.
KC358 said:
Blue Meanie said:
CarbonM5 said:
The Veyron is like Concorde but pointless.
What is pointless about it? What is wrong with having a car like the Veyron? What is deemed worthwhile in your view?The Concorde that CarbonM5 brought up is a great way to describe it.
The Veyron is like a Concorde as opposed to a F-16.
The fact that the Concorde can go Mach 1 is an impressive achievement. But that is all it can do. The F-16 can also do Mach 1, but on top of that it can pull massive g's in cornering and high speed acceleration.
In a top speed run the Concorde could nearly hang with the F-16, but set up a Red Bull Air Race World Series type course and the Concorde will be trash.
Not only will the F-16 be quicker but light/nimble feeling will make it a blast. The Concorde will be heavy and cumbersome, not very fun.
The Concorde may have a little more luxuries, but the F-16 is more focused on speed, handling, and fun, yet still docile and comfortable enough to take on a Sunday cruise.
KC358 said:
Ehra Lessein is perfectly flat and smooth. In 2009 they improved the Aero's aero so it is now 5% more stable.
Ah well I just raised the awesome factor of the Veyron by 10% so it is better.KC358 said:
Blue Meanie said:
CarbonM5 said:
The Veyron is like Concorde but pointless.
What is pointless about it? What is wrong with having a car like the Veyron? What is deemed worthwhile in your view?The Concorde that CarbonM5 brought up is a great way to describe it.
The Veyron is like a Concorde as opposed to a F-16.
The fact that the Concorde can go Mach 1 is an impressive achievement. But that is all it can do. The F-16 can also do Mach 1, but on top of that it can pull massive g's in cornering and high speed acceleration.
In a top speed run the Concorde could nearly hang with the F-16, but set up a Red Bull Air Race World Series type course and the Concorde will be trash.
Not only will the F-16 be quicker but light/nimble feeling will make it a blast. The Concorde will be heavy and cumbersome, not very fun.
The Concorde may have a little more luxuries, but the F-16 is more focused on speed, handling, and fun, yet still docile and comfortable enough to take on a Sunday cruise.
Veyron is a road going car, it can and should therefore be compared to other road going cars . . . . . . .and let’s face it, it's great we have cars that have this sort of performance, however it's all rather arbitrary as without a test track, you can’t go that quickly and a private jet will get you across a continent far far quicker.
Edited by AndrewW-G on Thursday 11th November 21:44
ZeeTacoe said:
KC358 said:
Blue Meanie said:
CarbonM5 said:
The Veyron is like Concorde but pointless.
What is pointless about it? What is wrong with having a car like the Veyron? What is deemed worthwhile in your view?The Concorde that CarbonM5 brought up is a great way to describe it.
The Veyron is like a Concorde as opposed to a F-16.
The fact that the Concorde can go Mach 1 is an impressive achievement. But that is all it can do. The F-16 can also do Mach 1, but on top of that it can pull massive g's in cornering and high speed acceleration.
In a top speed run the Concorde could nearly hang with the F-16, but set up a Red Bull Air Race World Series type course and the Concorde will be trash.
Not only will the F-16 be quicker but light/nimble feeling will make it a blast. The Concorde will be heavy and cumbersome, not very fun.
The Concorde may have a little more luxuries, but the F-16 is more focused on speed, handling, and fun, yet still docile and comfortable enough to take on a Sunday cruise.
KC358 said:
Ehra Lessein is perfectly flat and smooth. In 2009 they improved the Aero's aero so it is now 5% more stable.
Ah well I just raised the awesome factor of the Veyron by 10% so it is better.Let me simplify it for you.
There are 2 cars. Both of them top out at 265mph.
Car A has a "luxury" interior, it has brushed aluminum dash and leather wrapped everything. Car B has a "sport" interior, filled with light weight materials like carbon fiber and Alcantara. Despite the different style interiors they are equally comfortable, both have an equal stereo and other luxuries.
Car A does the quarter mile in 10.3 seconds. Car B does it in 9.9 seconds.
Car A pulls 0.93g on the skidpad. Car B pulls 1.05g.
Car B laps the average track 10 seconds faster than car A.
Car B is light and feels nimble and flickable in the corners. Car A is heavy and feels cumbersome.
What car would you rather have?
Blue Meanie said:
Car A thanks.
I dunno, I'm not sure he's talking about the Veyron versus the SSC because all reviews of the Veyron say it handles well and the interior of the SSC is no match for a Phaeton let alone the Veyron.Even the lord our god Gordon Murray creator of the bestest car ever had nice things to say about the Veyron.
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