RE: LA Show Preview: Range Rover Evoque 5-Door
Discussion
vincenz said:
Wills2 said:
Neither old boy, but that interior doesn't appeal.
To be fair mate, you do sound a bit of a mongEdited by vincenz on Saturday 13th November 12:08
Instead of throwing insults you could have pointed out why you like it, but perhaps that would have involved engaging your brain.
Mongness aside (I actually had to google it - not impressed) I think it's a vial looking beast.
I find the connotations for the Range Rover brand a little depressing with this. Body kits and 24inch alloys aside the Range Rover is still a very high quality luxury 4x4 off-roader and this simply isn't in it's looks and, if they have based it on a Freelander's chassis, it certainly won't be in terms of performance. Admittedly they mention that it's enviseged to be used mainly on road in 2wd spec, but that begs the question - why try to paint it with the breeding and performance of Range Rover? A besmirchment of one of the most important and definitive brands in the world IMHO.
For me I do see the 'mininess' and with that mentioned it looks like a mix between that and Akira's motorbike
... A dream from the 90's of what a futuristic car will look like.
Anyway, we all know it will sell in numbers (more so tugging at the fine threads of the Range Rover name); I full expect to see them down almost every street in London and for the reason (amongst many, many others) I would never buy one.
I find the connotations for the Range Rover brand a little depressing with this. Body kits and 24inch alloys aside the Range Rover is still a very high quality luxury 4x4 off-roader and this simply isn't in it's looks and, if they have based it on a Freelander's chassis, it certainly won't be in terms of performance. Admittedly they mention that it's enviseged to be used mainly on road in 2wd spec, but that begs the question - why try to paint it with the breeding and performance of Range Rover? A besmirchment of one of the most important and definitive brands in the world IMHO.
For me I do see the 'mininess' and with that mentioned it looks like a mix between that and Akira's motorbike
... A dream from the 90's of what a futuristic car will look like.
Anyway, we all know it will sell in numbers (more so tugging at the fine threads of the Range Rover name); I full expect to see them down almost every street in London and for the reason (amongst many, many others) I would never buy one.
Edited by Pigfarmer3 on Monday 15th November 18:09
It looks like a cartoon car to my eyes.
I am perplexed and saddened by how shallow we have all become. What is there to appreciate about this vehicle other than its appearance? It is a thing so superficial, a thing which will date more rapidly than any car deserves, a thing that will be tired and familiar tomorrow. Where is the quality? Where is the ingenuity? Where is the design (not styling)? Where is the engineering? Where is the innovation? Where is the utility? Where is the intelligence, the cleverness, the timelessness?
It'll do 58mpg on the combined cycle: great, but it would be easy to make it do 100mpg if it wasn't such a joke. It'll have a life-expectancy of about five years. What a waste of materials and energy in the manufacture of such a disposable product.
What really bothers me is that the styling that the morons will love is so attractive to them precisely because it is so vulgar, so aggressive, so bad-tempered, bad-mannered, ugly, flashy. It is how we have all become, a nation of self-obsessed, ignorant, bad-mannered consumers hooked on cheap tinsel. Today's motoring is like masturbating over the thin, false bodies of pornography: we're obsessed with it but it is a pale immitation of the real thing.
Anybody who "buys" this (of course, nobody will actually buy one, they'll all be on the never-never) should go straight to the underground city.
I am perplexed and saddened by how shallow we have all become. What is there to appreciate about this vehicle other than its appearance? It is a thing so superficial, a thing which will date more rapidly than any car deserves, a thing that will be tired and familiar tomorrow. Where is the quality? Where is the ingenuity? Where is the design (not styling)? Where is the engineering? Where is the innovation? Where is the utility? Where is the intelligence, the cleverness, the timelessness?
It'll do 58mpg on the combined cycle: great, but it would be easy to make it do 100mpg if it wasn't such a joke. It'll have a life-expectancy of about five years. What a waste of materials and energy in the manufacture of such a disposable product.
What really bothers me is that the styling that the morons will love is so attractive to them precisely because it is so vulgar, so aggressive, so bad-tempered, bad-mannered, ugly, flashy. It is how we have all become, a nation of self-obsessed, ignorant, bad-mannered consumers hooked on cheap tinsel. Today's motoring is like masturbating over the thin, false bodies of pornography: we're obsessed with it but it is a pale immitation of the real thing.
Anybody who "buys" this (of course, nobody will actually buy one, they'll all be on the never-never) should go straight to the underground city.
r129sl said:
It looks like a cartoon car to my eyes.
I am perplexed and saddened by how shallow we have all become. What is there to appreciate about this vehicle other than its appearance? It is a thing so superficial, a thing which will date more rapidly than any car deserves, a thing that will be tired and familiar tomorrow. Where is the quality? Where is the ingenuity? Where is the design (not styling)? Where is the engineering? Where is the innovation? Where is the utility? Where is the intelligence, the cleverness, the timelessness?
It'll do 58mpg on the combined cycle: great, but it would be easy to make it do 100mpg if it wasn't such a joke. It'll have a life-expectancy of about five years. What a waste of materials and energy in the manufacture of such a disposable product.
What really bothers me is that the styling that the morons will love is so attractive to them precisely because it is so vulgar, so aggressive, so bad-tempered, bad-mannered, ugly, flashy. It is how we have all become, a nation of self-obsessed, ignorant, bad-mannered consumers hooked on cheap tinsel. Today's motoring is like masturbating over the thin, false bodies of pornography: we're obsessed with it but it is a pale immitation of the real thing.
Anybody who "buys" this (of course, nobody will actually buy one, they'll all be on the never-never) should go straight to the underground city.
I'm having a bad day too....I am perplexed and saddened by how shallow we have all become. What is there to appreciate about this vehicle other than its appearance? It is a thing so superficial, a thing which will date more rapidly than any car deserves, a thing that will be tired and familiar tomorrow. Where is the quality? Where is the ingenuity? Where is the design (not styling)? Where is the engineering? Where is the innovation? Where is the utility? Where is the intelligence, the cleverness, the timelessness?
It'll do 58mpg on the combined cycle: great, but it would be easy to make it do 100mpg if it wasn't such a joke. It'll have a life-expectancy of about five years. What a waste of materials and energy in the manufacture of such a disposable product.
What really bothers me is that the styling that the morons will love is so attractive to them precisely because it is so vulgar, so aggressive, so bad-tempered, bad-mannered, ugly, flashy. It is how we have all become, a nation of self-obsessed, ignorant, bad-mannered consumers hooked on cheap tinsel. Today's motoring is like masturbating over the thin, false bodies of pornography: we're obsessed with it but it is a pale immitation of the real thing.
Anybody who "buys" this (of course, nobody will actually buy one, they'll all be on the never-never) should go straight to the underground city.
Looks nice, made in Britain and the next step for Land Rover as a company. I'm glad to see it. OK not to everyones taste but the stereotypes of the drivers and dogmatic attitudes to 4WD are quite amusing.
Hey hairy chested 4X4 landrover people!
Landrover originally sold the Series 1 with a 2WD option! Yes the Series 1. Get over it.
It's really difficult to even find somewhere to drive in the UK where 4X4 is needed, unless you really go looking (when green laning in my series 2a I rarely had to go into 4WD even in the winter).
OK we have some snow sometimes but if you have winter tyres on a 2wd you can get most places a 4wd would. Please some sense of perspective, the sky will not fall in!
Hey hairy chested 4X4 landrover people!
Landrover originally sold the Series 1 with a 2WD option! Yes the Series 1. Get over it.
It's really difficult to even find somewhere to drive in the UK where 4X4 is needed, unless you really go looking (when green laning in my series 2a I rarely had to go into 4WD even in the winter).
OK we have some snow sometimes but if you have winter tyres on a 2wd you can get most places a 4wd would. Please some sense of perspective, the sky will not fall in!
some comments on here really are laughable, though I did think, why isn't it simply the next Freelander.
But then there are a whole load of other factors to take in. LR have to make this car. They are a global brand that has to sell in certain numbers in order to survive. This can't be done on a three model line where one, though still selling well, holds true to a 50+ year design.
I'd take a guess that the soothsayers on here are 45+, no doubt you think Jaguar's new design direction is a slant on the Lyons designs of old without taking into account they weren't selling enough.
The Evoque will sell well and probably take sales from the FL but most importantly from other marques. I for one will be glad to see them on 'every other new build driveway', on school runs, clogging up Chelsea and Cheshire(will the Mom's downsize from their RR's) ....if it keeps British jobs and the ability for LR to go on producing the kind of automobiles it has become famous for.
But then there are a whole load of other factors to take in. LR have to make this car. They are a global brand that has to sell in certain numbers in order to survive. This can't be done on a three model line where one, though still selling well, holds true to a 50+ year design.
I'd take a guess that the soothsayers on here are 45+, no doubt you think Jaguar's new design direction is a slant on the Lyons designs of old without taking into account they weren't selling enough.
The Evoque will sell well and probably take sales from the FL but most importantly from other marques. I for one will be glad to see them on 'every other new build driveway', on school runs, clogging up Chelsea and Cheshire(will the Mom's downsize from their RR's) ....if it keeps British jobs and the ability for LR to go on producing the kind of automobiles it has become famous for.
whipround said:
rfactor9k said:
Looks to me like a BMW 1. Or a large BMW MINI. I would have the 'ZIL' over that any day.
Thats it - a pimped up mini by RRThen I read the text.
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