Clocking widespread
Discussion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11897982
700,000 vehicles got to their MOT last year with fewer miles on the clock than when last presented, but the govt are happy that the current system is working? WTF!
700,000 vehicles got to their MOT last year with fewer miles on the clock than when last presented, but the govt are happy that the current system is working? WTF!
I am utterly convinced that most cars sold through independent dealers (and I'll bet more than a few through main dealers) are clocked. I'm often amused when I see really low mileage stuff like Audis - almost always a company purchase so why low miles. Once stuff gets onto its third or fourth owner I think it's inevitable.
It's why I'm usually happy to buy stuff that's average/high mileage and base my decision on condition. In reality I bet the mileage is the same as the "low mileage" stuff.
It's why I'm usually happy to buy stuff that's average/high mileage and base my decision on condition. In reality I bet the mileage is the same as the "low mileage" stuff.
GuinnessMK said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11897982
700,000 vehicles got to their MOT last year with fewer miles on the clock than when last presented, but the govt are happy that the current system is working? WTF!
How many of those will be "mis-keying" by the MOT tester on the computer I wonder? Just miss out a digit and the car suddenly loses 100,000 miles. I've seen some shocking typos/spelling mistakes/mis-keying on the new computerised MOT certificates.700,000 vehicles got to their MOT last year with fewer miles on the clock than when last presented, but the govt are happy that the current system is working? WTF!
My step brother used to work part time for a car dealer. EVERY car got some miles removed. One Escort diesel got 25,000 removed and then was bought by another dealer as stock. When sold their customer promptly had a serious engine fault so second dealer threatened first with reporting them for clocking. Step brother said go ahead as the vehicle had another 25,000 less than when first sold to second. That means between them 50,000 miles was removed ! This wasn't unsual.
Paul H
Paul H
Efbe said:
judge from the condition of the car, not the mileage then.
its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
No it isn't.its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
It would depend a lot on the use the car has had.
a 160k motorway muncher will be in better nick that a 40k town car.
paoloh said:
Efbe said:
judge from the condition of the car, not the mileage then.
its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
No it isn't.its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
It would depend a lot on the use the car has had.
a 160k motorway muncher will be in better nick that a 40k town car.
Efbe said:
paoloh said:
Efbe said:
judge from the condition of the car, not the mileage then.
its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
No it isn't.its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
It would depend a lot on the use the car has had.
a 160k motorway muncher will be in better nick that a 40k town car.
Please tell us your secrets?
WeirdNeville said:
GuinnessMK said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11897982
700,000 vehicles got to their MOT last year with fewer miles on the clock than when last presented, but the govt are happy that the current system is working? WTF!
How many of those will be "mis-keying" by the MOT tester on the computer I wonder? Just miss out a digit and the car suddenly loses 100,000 miles. I've seen some shocking typos/spelling mistakes/mis-keying on the new computerised MOT certificates.700,000 vehicles got to their MOT last year with fewer miles on the clock than when last presented, but the govt are happy that the current system is working? WTF!
I know I never "clocked it" and it took a bit of explaining when I came to sell it. Fortunately the girl I sold it too, had her mechanic boyfriend check it over, and he knew these MOT mileage cock ups happen.
[quote=Dog Star]I am utterly convinced that most cars sold through independent dealers (and I'll bet more than a few through main dealers) are clocked. I'm often amused when I see really low mileage stuff like Audis - almost always a company purchase so why low miles. Once stuff gets onto its third or fourth owner I think it's inevitable.
I am sure most DECENT independent dealers do not sell clocked cars.
The biggest clockers of cars are private individuals clocking them before their first MOT or between MOT's.
I am sure most DECENT independent dealers do not sell clocked cars.
The biggest clockers of cars are private individuals clocking them before their first MOT or between MOT's.
POORCARDEALER said:
Dog Star said:
I am utterly convinced that most cars sold through independent dealers (and I'll bet more than a few through main dealers) are clocked. I'm often amused when I see really low mileage stuff like Audis - almost always a company purchase so why low miles. Once stuff gets onto its third or fourth owner I think it's inevitable.
I am sure most DECENT independent dealers do not sell clocked cars.
The biggest clockers of cars are private individuals clocking them before their first MOT or between MOT's.
How dare you come on here talking sense.I am sure most DECENT independent dealers do not sell clocked cars.
The biggest clockers of cars are private individuals clocking them before their first MOT or between MOT's.
paoloh said:
Efbe said:
paoloh said:
Efbe said:
judge from the condition of the car, not the mileage then.
its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
No it isn't.its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
It would depend a lot on the use the car has had.
a 160k motorway muncher will be in better nick that a 40k town car.
Please tell us your secrets?
I can't be bothered listing everything to check. just suffice to say:
wear on engine changes its sound, feel etc... there are plenty os things under the bonnet that wear and are hard to replace.
in car is the easiest to tell. check anything plastic/cloth/leather that would have been worn down if someone was using it a lot.
such as: steering wheel, gear knob, indicators, common used buttons, seat, especially at right hand side, drivers door sill, drivers door handle, fading of colour on dash, and cloth interior/lining from sun exposure.
OFC these parts can be replaced. but then the colour is likely to be slightly different, and often its obvious.different.
Also it would cost more than the dealer would save to change all of these.
Efbe said:
paoloh said:
Efbe said:
paoloh said:
Efbe said:
judge from the condition of the car, not the mileage then.
its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
No it isn't.its very very very easy to tell the difference between an 80,000 mile car and a 160,000 mile car, no matter what they have done to try and hide it.
It would depend a lot on the use the car has had.
a 160k motorway muncher will be in better nick that a 40k town car.
Please tell us your secrets?
I can't be bothered listing everything to check. just suffice to say:
wear on engine changes its sound, feel etc... there are plenty os things under the bonnet that wear and are hard to replace.
in car is the easiest to tell. check anything plastic/cloth/leather that would have been worn down if someone was using it a lot.
such as: steering wheel, gear knob, indicators, common used buttons, seat, especially at right hand side, drivers door sill, drivers door handle, fading of colour on dash, and cloth interior/lining from sun exposure.
OFC these parts can be replaced. but then the colour is likely to be slightly different, and often its obvious.different.
Also it would cost more than the dealer would save to change all of these.
POORCARDEALER said:
I am sure most DECENT independent dealers do not sell clocked cars.
The biggest clockers of cars are private individuals clocking them before their first MOT or between MOT's.
Well I think you're either just plain naive or wrong!The biggest clockers of cars are private individuals clocking them before their first MOT or between MOT's.
I know quite a lot of people in the trade in my area - main dealer and family business; I don't want to go into it on here (if you see what I mean) but I know what goes on. It's absolutely epedemic. All seem to need the digital dashboard repairs chap a lot. They must be pretty unreliable.
Maybe you ought to join the club - then you won't be "poor"cardealer?
Edited after checking how much my profile shows....
Edited by Dog Star on Friday 3rd December 09:58
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