I stopped buying TopGear magazine a while ago.

[Podie]

mp3manager said:

k-ink said:

Buying car magazines is sooo two decades ago.

Yep...I read all my mags on my iPad.

Which app you using? Zinio?

[Speed_Demon]

TG still sells, just not to actual car enthusiasts, the likes of whom post on pistonheads, it's bought by those who have a passing interest that watch it on tv.

[john2443]

soad said:

arfur daley said:

Practical Classics is a better magazine.

That's a good read, always liked it.

I used to buy PCs every month, but after a few years 1) they were running out of different cars to feature and 2) they started restoring 205s and Golfs, which are too modern by my standards to be interested in - as a rough guide, I think cars need to be from the era of your childhood to be considered classic - my mum, born 1922, didn't think my 1959 car was old!

[k-ink]

Colonial said:

k-ink said:

It's also a total waste of trees. Almost as bad a buying a newspaper.

I do both.

Deal with it.

No, your children will deal with it. Rainforests 50 years ago covered 14% of the world's land surface. Now they only cover 5-7%. All tropical forests will be gone by the middle of the 21st century at this rate.

[bobr]

k-ink said:

Colonial said:

k-ink said:

It's also a total waste of trees. Almost as bad a buying a newspaper.

I do both.

Deal with it.

No, your children will deal with it. Rainforests 50 years ago covered 14% of the world's land surface. Now they only cover 5-7%. All tropical forests will be gone by the middle of the 21st century at this rate.

I've never seen the forests that ended up becoming coal. I've never seen a dinosaur. I never saw Britain covered in ice. I really am not bothered

[PaulG40]

I just wait for some other mug to buy it then leave it in work, then I'll wile the hours away reading it in the crewroom. That way, I don't waste a fiver on junk.

[k-ink]

bobr said:

I've never seen the forests that ended up becoming coal. I've never seen a dinosaur. I never saw Britain covered in ice. I really am not bothered

I suspect you've never seen a school either.

You know that stuff your breathing? Ever wondered where it comes from?

[masermartin]

k-ink said:

bobr said:

I've never seen the forests that ended up becoming coal. I've never seen a dinosaur. I never saw Britain covered in ice. I really am not bothered

I suspect you've never seen a school either.

You know that stuff your breathing? Ever wondered where it comes from?

Preaching about the environment on Pistonheads - this can only end well.

ETA - on topic, yup I buy quite a few car magazines and I have to say Top Gear has never been one of them. I'm more of an Octane, Classic Cars and C&SC person myself and I think Evo does the "new" car scene a lot better than TG anyway.

Edited by masermartin on Monday 3rd January 10:36

[bobr]

k-ink said:

bobr said:

I've never seen the forests that ended up becoming coal. I've never seen a dinosaur. I never saw Britain covered in ice. I really am not bothered

I suspect you've never seen a school either.

You know that stuff your breathing? Ever wondered where it comes from?

It is produced by plants during photosynthesis, and I have most definitely been to school.

The fact is that many natural and man made phenomena has occurred during the time our planet has existed, yet we are still here. If we lose trees there is a significant amount of oxygen mass lost, but we still have millions of plants capable of producing oxygen, and, if we became really desperate, we can electrolyse water and other substances that we have in abundance

[Dog Star]

al1991 said:

I don't bother with it either.

How much is it now?

I'd rather not pay £5 to read some adverts, and a half-arsed car directory.

The problem for me is the price - I'm quite comfortably off but I'll be buggered if I'm spunking that kind of money on a bloody car mag which is at least 50% adverts.

[k-ink]

I guzzle a shed load of fuel and consume like many on here. I'm no greenie. But I do draw the line at wasting paper for no reason. Forests are the lungs of the world after all. Oxygen matters.

[bobr]

k-ink said:

I guzzle a shed load of fuel and consume like many on here. I'm no greenie. But I do draw the line at wasting paper for no reason. Forests are the lungs of the world after all. Oxygen matters.

Ah gotcha I thought you were some sort of Eco troll. Agree on wasting excess, I just thought you meant we should use no paper

[velocemitch]

I gave up with TG about three years back now, when they changed the format they seemed to drop back about twenty years with their intended readership, ie 30 to 10!.

I've also recently cancelled my subscription to Auto Italia Evo and Octane too, though I've got another 5 Evo's to come. I've decided to pick and choose between the mags rather than stick to one or two religiously. On balance though I think Evo is the best of the modern car mags, Octane and C&SC about equal on classics and Motorsport news to catch up on Motorsport related stuff.

I'd hate to see a time when the internet took over from magazines, both have their place and there is still room for quality car related journalism, though it's become harder to find recently.

[Manks]

On my Christmas list I asked for a subscription to "Car" or Evo.

I GOT a subscription to Top Gear, "because the children can enjoy it too".

Next year I'll just ask for Fireman Sam toys to make matters easier for all concerned.

[k-ink]

I'm no Eco Mentalist. But some general common sense might be an idea.

If you follow the electric car threads I am usually against them. See Nissan Leaf thread.

[Lucas Ayde]

k-ink said:

I guzzle a shed load of fuel and consume like many on here. I'm no greenie. But I do draw the line at wasting paper for no reason. Forests are the lungs of the world after all. Oxygen matters.

Sounds like you just wanted an excuse to buy a poncy iPad ...

(You do realise that paper can be recycled, right?)

[Papa Hotel]

Manks said:

On my Christmas list I asked for a subscription to "Car" or Evo.

I GOT a subscription to Top Gear, "because the children can enjoy it too".

Next year I'll just ask for Fireman Sam toys to make matters easier for all concerned.

This made me LOL.

I hope the kids got subscriptions to Playboy TV and a chainsaw, you know, so you can enjoy them too?

[jatinder]

soad said:

arfur daley said:

Practical Classics is a better magazine.

That's a good read, always liked it.

I prefer Car Mechanics, or Octane which are also quite good.

I've only bought a top gear mag once.

[dcb]

k-ink said:

No, your children will deal with it. Rainforests 50 years ago covered 14% of the world's land surface. Now they only cover 5-7%. All tropical forests will be gone by the middle of the 21st century at this rate.

Doh.

I suppose there is no chance for our children to plant
some new trees when we start getting a bit short ?

Extrapolation of scientific data can be a crutch for
some low quality journalism.

[g3org3y]

alephnull said:

NorthernBoy said:

alephnull said:

Whats the verdict on EVO? I personally love EVO and pretty much never buy TG....Its just a shame EVO does seem to focus heavily on very un-obtainable cars...(not that TG is any better)

I can't see much point in me reading reviews of base-model Astras and the like. For one thing I'm never likely to buy one, but, if I did want to, I could just pop along to the showroom and try a selection out. I could then drive it exactly as it was meant to be driven (i.e. sedately in traffic, well within the limits of adhesion), and know what it was all about. When I bought my RS4 I did find a place with a demonstrator, but learned relatively little about it in a test drive around South London. Something like Evo gives me some extra information.

For me reading about quotidien cars would be like listening to music played exclusively on affordable instruments, or going to an art gallery to look at reasonably priced watercolours; close to pointless.

Ok so i see your point...but Id like to read more on MX-5s, elises, TVRs, porsches instead of Ferraris, Lambos etc. I guess they would quickly run out of stuff to say if they mostly dealt with affordable (e.g. <£70k) cars.

Every issue does seem to be Porsche GT3 RS vs the world.

I do agree with the above, aspirational supercars are all well and good but there does need to be some more affordable metal in there as well to appeal to the 'common man'. In addition, I would like a few more epic road trips rather than the standard EVO triangle group tests - anyone rememeber the Ferrari 599 across China article?

Top Gear is a very poor relation in car magazine standards. Poor articles, poor format. Would not buy.

Colonial said:

k-ink said:

It's also a total waste of trees. Almost as bad a buying a newspaper.

I do both.

Deal with it.

Edited by g3org3y on Monday 3rd January 12:00