The worlds worst RWD cars
Discussion
RobM77 said:
Alfanatic said:
RobM77 said:
Unless I'm missing a joke here, are people really that stupid that they can't see the difference between someone preferring RWD to FWD and someone wanting to own any piece of crud just because it's RWD? There's a massive difference between the two opinions. That's like someone saying they prefer Microsoft to Apple and people assuming they'd rather have a 286 running MS-DOS than the latest Macbook. In truth, they'd probably not want either, but if they had to pick one it would be the latest MacBook.
If you specifically select some ancient RWD box with woeful handling and then compare it to the very finest and latest FWD chassis it's hardly a comparison worth making on a thread like this. In truth I'd have neither. I would have the Megane 486RRRR thingy as a third or fourth car, but the truth is that I just don't like FWD and for the same money would rather have a 130i or similar. If they were the only two cars left in the entire world, then I would probably have to go for the Megane, for sure, but that's hardly representative of what I think about FWD and RWD
I'm not being funny, and I've driven neither of those two cars, but that vomit yellow thing looks like it would be a proper laugh to drive. It's the one I'd hop in for a day. That Megane, I fear, might leave me thinking that it's too much hot and not enough hatch, and that if that's the kind of fun I want I'd be better off in an Elise.If you specifically select some ancient RWD box with woeful handling and then compare it to the very finest and latest FWD chassis it's hardly a comparison worth making on a thread like this. In truth I'd have neither. I would have the Megane 486RRRR thingy as a third or fourth car, but the truth is that I just don't like FWD and for the same money would rather have a 130i or similar. If they were the only two cars left in the entire world, then I would probably have to go for the Megane, for sure, but that's hardly representative of what I think about FWD and RWD
This though, isn't because the old yellow thing is RWD (I don't even know if it is, or even what it is, come to think of it), but just because old cars so often have a nice mechanical feel, and with their softer suspension it's so much easier to feel the weight moving around, and it's nice to have such a good view of everything, and to feel gears meshing or synchro rings, um, synchronising, a nice slim steering wheel that you guide with your fingertips, and all of that.
To be fair, I possibly couldn't like with the yellow oddity every day, but I definitely could live with something decent of the same vintage. Like an Alfa
Edited by Alfanatic on Tuesday 4th January 15:33
It wasn't those specific cars that crop up, just the type of posts I was having a pop at. It's like someone suggesting that a fan of FWD would prefer a mk1 Micra to a Mclaren F1 - ridiculous! The Red / blue argument was a perfect fit by the way. One single sentence of complete clarity.
Edited by Alfanatic on Tuesday 4th January 15:45
Alfanatic said:
RobM77 said:
Alfanatic said:
RobM77 said:
Unless I'm missing a joke here, are people really that stupid that they can't see the difference between someone preferring RWD to FWD and someone wanting to own any piece of crud just because it's RWD? There's a massive difference between the two opinions. That's like someone saying they prefer Microsoft to Apple and people assuming they'd rather have a 286 running MS-DOS than the latest Macbook. In truth, they'd probably not want either, but if they had to pick one it would be the latest MacBook.
If you specifically select some ancient RWD box with woeful handling and then compare it to the very finest and latest FWD chassis it's hardly a comparison worth making on a thread like this. In truth I'd have neither. I would have the Megane 486RRRR thingy as a third or fourth car, but the truth is that I just don't like FWD and for the same money would rather have a 130i or similar. If they were the only two cars left in the entire world, then I would probably have to go for the Megane, for sure, but that's hardly representative of what I think about FWD and RWD
I'm not being funny, and I've driven neither of those two cars, but that vomit yellow thing looks like it would be a proper laugh to drive. It's the one I'd hop in for a day. That Megane, I fear, might leave me thinking that it's too much hot and not enough hatch, and that if that's the kind of fun I want I'd be better off in an Elise.If you specifically select some ancient RWD box with woeful handling and then compare it to the very finest and latest FWD chassis it's hardly a comparison worth making on a thread like this. In truth I'd have neither. I would have the Megane 486RRRR thingy as a third or fourth car, but the truth is that I just don't like FWD and for the same money would rather have a 130i or similar. If they were the only two cars left in the entire world, then I would probably have to go for the Megane, for sure, but that's hardly representative of what I think about FWD and RWD
This though, isn't because the old yellow thing is RWD (I don't even know if it is, or even what it is, come to think of it), but just because old cars so often have a nice mechanical feel, and with their softer suspension it's so much easier to feel the weight moving around, and it's nice to have such a good view of everything, and to feel gears meshing or synchro rings, um, synchronising, a nice slim steering wheel that you guide with your fingertips, and all of that.
To be fair, I possibly couldn't like with the yellow oddity every day, but I definitely could live with something decent of the same vintage. Like an Alfa
Edited by Alfanatic on Tuesday 4th January 15:33
It wasn't those specific cars that crop up, just the type of posts I was having a pop at. It's like someone suggesting that a fan of FWD would prefer a mk1 Micra to a Mclaren F1 - ridiculous! The Red / blue argument was a perfect fit by the way. One single sentence of complete clarity.
Edited by Alfanatic on Tuesday 4th January 15:45
Sorry if I seem to be banging the point home a bit too much; I just found a lot of the posts on here extremely annoying in their stupidity! Seeing it put the other way (as above with Micra vs Mclaren F1), or indeed as with colours makes one realise just how stupid the whole thing is.
odyssey2200 said:
thinfourth2 said:
Seeing the RWD isn't always best lets have a list of truely dreadful RWD cars
Lets start with the Classic SSanyong Rodious
Anymore terrible RWD cars
Based on what experiance?Lets start with the Classic SSanyong Rodious
Anymore terrible RWD cars
RobM77 said:
odyssey2200 said:
thinfourth2 said:
Seeing the RWD isn't always best lets have a list of truely dreadful RWD cars
Lets start with the Classic SSanyong Rodious
Anymore terrible RWD cars
Based on what experiance?Lets start with the Classic SSanyong Rodious
Anymore terrible RWD cars
thinfourth2 said:
odyssey2200 said:
thinfourth2 said:
Seeing the RWD isn't always best lets have a list of truely dreadful RWD cars
Lets start with the Classic SSanyong Rodious
Anymore terrible RWD cars
Based on what experiance?Lets start with the Classic SSanyong Rodious
Anymore terrible RWD cars
12gauge said:
HellDiver said:
Hyundai Stellar (recycled Cortina).
Is it really? People always says its a cortina, doesnt look anything like a cortina to me.
Classic "bitsa" car (bitsa this, bitsa that...... viola! A new car!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Stellar
Cheers,
Madman of the People
Edited by MadmanO/T People on Tuesday 4th January 17:17
Herman Toothrot said:
Most cars mentioned are very old apart form the "sangyong whatever" (sp) any post year 2000 really bad rwd's (UK market not obscure eastern european)?
Can't think of any, other than obscure Korean offerings and some big barges. This is probably because the only significant advantages RWD gives over FWD in a regular car are balance and handling, so it tends to be the preserve of cars where balance and handling are of significance e.g. performance cars and 'ultimate driving machines'.In the majority of cases, if a manufacturer where to build a RWD equivalent of a FWD car it would be more expensive, harder to package (leading to less interior space) and harder to get through safety tests and legislation than the FWD, yet 99% of the buying public would have no interest in the benefits RWD would give. In fact, a significant number of them would be put off by the fact RWD is so much worse in the snow.
Herman Toothrot said:
Most cars mentioned are very old apart form the "sangyong whatever" (sp) any post year 2000 really bad rwd's (UK market not obscure eastern european)?
Anyone setting out to make a cheap car will almost always use FWD these days purely because it's cheaper to engineer, so RWD cars tend to be either premium cars or sports cars. That said, some of those have been fairly dissapointing, although "bad" might be stretching things somewhat on the grand scheme of things.IforB said:
ShadownINja said:
RobM77 said:
One horror of a RWD car illustrates this, the old Volvo 740/940 etc. As a tool for moving lots of stuff and people around they're brilliant. As a car for driving pleasure, they're horrific.
I'll agree with that.I loved my old E reg 240GL and regret replacing it with a G reg 740SE. Less left leg room - AFAIK 240 and 260 used slightly different drivers footwells whereas 700 series used the same for both 4 & 6 cylinder with the 6 needing additional clearance (for starter ?) and therefore wasted space on 4 cylinder.
It might have handled slightly better but the 160,000 mile 240 was a far nicer car to drive than the 740 with less than half that mileage.
Basically same 2.0 injection engine but 240 seemed to have more "grunt" and far better economy.
Paul H
BTW I'm disabled with left leg problems hence noticing less left leg room
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