Why do they crush cars?
Discussion
Jasey@ said:
What's the car behind the blue POS ?
ps - surely the scrappage scheme was purely an exercise in getting new car sales moving - not an environmental one ?
Exactly - the scrappage scheme was to try to kickstart car sales after the credit crunch. Environmental friendliness was tangential (basically a bit of spurious marketing).ps - surely the scrappage scheme was purely an exercise in getting new car sales moving - not an environmental one ?
Scrappage cars (putting aside the wholeslale BS the scheme was for the mo) should have been shipped to prisons, to be manually stripped down to component parts or raw materials, depending on demand, worth far more than weighing a car in. you could evan reward the inmates a pint at the end of the day, so the 
s learn how a civilised society works instead of sitting around bored setting fire to things.
s learn how a civilised society works instead of sitting around bored setting fire to things.a11y_m said:
andyps said:
Jasey@ said:
What's the car behind the blue POS ?
ps - surely the scrappage scheme was purely an exercise in getting new car sales moving - not an environmental one ?
Xedos 9?ps - surely the scrappage scheme was purely an exercise in getting new car sales moving - not an environmental one ?
Edited by Jasey@ on Monday 10th January 18:57
problem is though the people selling these cars couldnt get the same money privatly.
Did anyone here offer to buy one from them?? I dont think so, we can all say oh thats such a waste but did any PH do anything about it or just a keyboard warrior ?
It may well be a good way of inceasing VED as >2001 cars as such good we have a lot of debt to clear - structual sovrign debt.
Another way of thinking about it is safer cars on the UK generally speaking shorter stopping distances better on average crumple zones.
Bloody sad to see some lovely cars crushed but Id be a hypocrate if I banged on about it as I did nothing I bought none of them. Also for the ones which remain on the road there are fewer now so supply demand for classics if they are classics the value should be higher.
Did anyone here offer to buy one from them?? I dont think so, we can all say oh thats such a waste but did any PH do anything about it or just a keyboard warrior ?
It may well be a good way of inceasing VED as >2001 cars as such good we have a lot of debt to clear - structual sovrign debt.
Another way of thinking about it is safer cars on the UK generally speaking shorter stopping distances better on average crumple zones.
Bloody sad to see some lovely cars crushed but Id be a hypocrate if I banged on about it as I did nothing I bought none of them. Also for the ones which remain on the road there are fewer now so supply demand for classics if they are classics the value should be higher.
Welshbeef said:
problem is though the people selling these cars couldnt get the same money privatly.
Did anyone here offer to buy one from them?? I dont think so, we can all say oh thats such a waste but did any PH do anything about it or just a keyboard warrior ?
It may well be a good way of inceasing VED as >2001 cars as such good we have a lot of debt to clear - structual sovrign debt.
Another way of thinking about it is safer cars on the UK generally speaking shorter stopping distances better on average crumple zones.
Bloody sad to see some lovely cars crushed but Id be a hypocrate if I banged on about it as I did nothing I bought none of them. Also for the ones which remain on the road there are fewer now so supply demand for classics if they are classics the value should be higher.
IIRC someone did offer to buy a bulk job lot off of the Gov't but they were declined.Did anyone here offer to buy one from them?? I dont think so, we can all say oh thats such a waste but did any PH do anything about it or just a keyboard warrior ?
It may well be a good way of inceasing VED as >2001 cars as such good we have a lot of debt to clear - structual sovrign debt.
Another way of thinking about it is safer cars on the UK generally speaking shorter stopping distances better on average crumple zones.
Bloody sad to see some lovely cars crushed but Id be a hypocrate if I banged on about it as I did nothing I bought none of them. Also for the ones which remain on the road there are fewer now so supply demand for classics if they are classics the value should be higher.
Job lot turned down... - labour wasnt it??
Id say they didnt really have a choice they couldnt sell them within the UK as there is the issue of the SOG act and it would create a whole cottage industry. I would say though instead of giving financial aid to developing nations they could have these cars instead. And to some nations the agreement that there is a 1 for 1 agreement one of these far newer cars given to them in exchange for an ancient polluting sh&tbag car that they are running.
That would cut emmissions globally.
Id say they didnt really have a choice they couldnt sell them within the UK as there is the issue of the SOG act and it would create a whole cottage industry. I would say though instead of giving financial aid to developing nations they could have these cars instead. And to some nations the agreement that there is a 1 for 1 agreement one of these far newer cars given to them in exchange for an ancient polluting sh&tbag car that they are running.
That would cut emmissions globally.
hairyben said:
Scrappage cars (putting aside the wholeslale BS the scheme was for the mo) should have been shipped to prisons, to be manually stripped down to component parts or raw materials, depending on demand, worth far more than weighing a car in. you could evan reward the inmates a pint at the end of the day, so the s learn how a civilised society works instead of sitting around bored setting fire to things.
There was nothing to stop any of the dismantlers taking the cars apart and selling any bits that they wanted to - in fact, many did.s learn how a civilised society works instead of sitting around bored setting fire to things.And as for all those "nice" cars - they were only scrapped because the dealers thought it better to claim the Government subsidy than sell them on. They could have done either.
Randy Winkman said:
And as for all those "nice" cars - they were only scrapped because the dealers thought it better to claim the Government subsidy than sell them on. They could have done either.
They where scrapped because they couldn't sell them for more than the government would pay, e.g. they weren't worth £2k. That's not to say they weren't nice though. I'm sure there's plenty of car dealers who were sorry to see some of the cars go even though financially it made no sense to try to sell them on.Randy Winkman said:
And as for all those "nice" cars - they were only scrapped because the dealers thought it better to claim the Government subsidy than sell them on. They could have done either.
I recall a at least one PHer spotted a few classics behind dealers and were told that for £1k they could have it, I think it was just worth that so they did the deal.I gather there were some cars which dealers bought for £2000 on the basis of scrappage but didn't put through the system as they were worth more so they sold them through the system.
I didn't understand the type of person who would have something like the Austin A35 shown in one of the photos and decide it was ok to see it scrapped. All cars scrapped in the scheme gas to have an MOT and been owned by the person for 12 months - the classic car owners in that category must gave known what they had and could probably have negotiated up to £1k discount as that came from the manufacturer anyway, for something like the A35 or MGB that would mean sale value plus discount pretty close to the scrappage amount and a classic saved. Strange decisions.
I didn't understand the type of person who would have something like the Austin A35 shown in one of the photos and decide it was ok to see it scrapped. All cars scrapped in the scheme gas to have an MOT and been owned by the person for 12 months - the classic car owners in that category must gave known what they had and could probably have negotiated up to £1k discount as that came from the manufacturer anyway, for something like the A35 or MGB that would mean sale value plus discount pretty close to the scrappage amount and a classic saved. Strange decisions.
Must admit some of the pictures make me feel a little bit sick. The waste is ridiculous. If these had been rusty heaps sitting in someone's yard for years, fair enough. But they all had to be roadworthy. And I'm sure I'm not imagining that since the scrappage scheme, there is a total lack of £1-300 cars?!
Why on earth are they all stored there ?
Either sell, break or crush them but what are the costs to transport and store them there ?
IMO
1) The Gov't have no idea and don't care what you think
2) They think the less used cars about will mean more new cars bought
3) They don't want peasants on the road
4) They think anyone who would drive sub £2k cars are likely to be uninsured
5) They don't give a st about common sense / green issues / recycling
Either sell, break or crush them but what are the costs to transport and store them there ?
IMO
1) The Gov't have no idea and don't care what you think
2) They think the less used cars about will mean more new cars bought
3) They don't want peasants on the road
4) They think anyone who would drive sub £2k cars are likely to be uninsured
5) They don't give a s
t about common sense / green issues / recycling
redgriff500 said:
Why on earth are they all stored there ?
Either sell, break or crush them but what are the costs to transport and store them there ?
IMO
1) The Gov't have no idea and don't care what you think
2) They think the less used cars about will mean more new cars bought
3) They don't want peasants on the road
4) They think anyone who would drive sub £2k cars are likely to be uninsured
5) They don't give a st about common sense / green issues / recycling
Spot on.Either sell, break or crush them but what are the costs to transport and store them there ?
IMO
1) The Gov't have no idea and don't care what you think
2) They think the less used cars about will mean more new cars bought
3) They don't want peasants on the road
4) They think anyone who would drive sub £2k cars are likely to be uninsured
5) They don't give a s
t about common sense / green issues / recyclingThere has definitely been a lack of decent sub £500 cars recently. I prefer cheaper cars (yes fully insured...) for daily runabouts so I don't have to care about vandalism in car parks and stuff.
As I never have intended to buy a new car, scrappage scheme did me more harm than good in the long run.
Carrot said:
...There has definitely been a lack of decent sub £500 cars recently...
This is not surprising. Just look at the number of posts on here which go along the lines of "I just bought a cheap car from a dealer and it's got problems", followed by posters giving advice abot SOGA etc. and compulsory warranties.It's not surprising that garages don't risk it any more.
My first 10 years motoring was spent in trade-in bangers bought cheap from garages. The most I ever paid was £150. I had a couple of real lemons, but I also had a couple of gems.
Unfortunately I wrecked the gems due to seriously overestimating my driving ability.
sunbeam_alpine said:
It's not surprising that garages don't risk it any more.
I totally agree. But even privately, it is near on impossible to find something at £500 or less that isn't either a) A complete, and I mean complete total rustbucket with no MoT
b) A non runner or "spares or repair"
Can traders sell cars under the Spares or Repairs label to avoid the SOGA? May be a good idea for the really low end bangernomics scale of things.
Welshbeef said:
problem is though the people selling these cars couldnt get the same money privatly.
Did anyone here offer to buy one from them?? I dont think so, we can all say oh thats such a waste but did any PH do anything about it or just a keyboard warrior ?
Yes. I did offer to buy a very nice tidy 8 month mot Citroen from a chap but as the scrappage scheme offered £2000 whereas the current market price was around £800 what would you go for?Did anyone here offer to buy one from them?? I dont think so, we can all say oh thats such a waste but did any PH do anything about it or just a keyboard warrior ?
The scrappage scheme killed the bottom end car market. Not everyone is in the market for a new car.
Does anyone else think all these cars taken via the scrappage scheme will be quietly sold off to some 3rd world county when peoples memory fade. As I still keep thinking...why are these cars still complete?
Most of these laws are made by idiots, recently in Perth a bloke was having his lambo serviced and the mechanic took it for a bit of a fang and got busted doing something like 180kph in an 80 zone or something. The police confiscated the car and kept it for a day or a couple of days even tho the owner of the car had nothing to do with it. He took the cops to court claiming that they were denying him his right to his property. The judge ruled that under the existing law the ownership of the car was irrelevant and that police had the right to impose the penalty regardless and that his claim was against the mechanic and garage for the loss of the use of his property.
Now, suppose the vehicle had been crushed? It would most likely bankrupt the owner of the business and the bloke would never get his car back.
Now, suppose the vehicle had been crushed? It would most likely bankrupt the owner of the business and the bloke would never get his car back.
Morningside said:
Yes. I did offer to buy a very nice tidy 8 month mot Citroen from a chap but as the scrappage scheme offered £2000 whereas the current market price was around £800 what would you go for?
On that occasion the seller of the £800 citroen was chopping it in for a new, £6000 minimum, car. For a lot of people at that end of the car market, they go from scrap car to £1,500 car, run that down to scrap and the cycle perpetuates. So there should still be plenty of cheap fodder where the present owner isn't considering an artificially inflated pxGreg
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