RE: Cooper SD Diesel Hot Hatch Set For Geneva
Discussion
Frimley111R said:
honest1 said:
I Think Your Both Missing The Point. This Is More About An Engine Which Is road tax and a London congestion charge Free Thanks Too 99g/km CO2, And can return 70+MPG... Also Can Hit 60 MPH In Less Than 10 Sec.
With Fuel Prices The Way They Are We Need More Cars Like This. :-)
Your post needs more capital letters.With Fuel Prices The Way They Are We Need More Cars Like This. :-)
A diesel in the right chassis works wonders. For example the 120d and 123d both have loads of power and are blessed with a superb chassis which makes them great on track or on the commute to work.
Where as the Cooper D has not been blessed with a great engine. The chassis may be good the 1.6 diesel is laggy. I found when i had one for a few weeks that you always felt like you were in the wrong gear. Roundabouts became very dicey as you would pull on and have no go, then all of a sudden bang you were off. always felt like you were on a bungey chord with the added scare of a car heading towards your door.
will await official details on this before judging fully though.
Where as the Cooper D has not been blessed with a great engine. The chassis may be good the 1.6 diesel is laggy. I found when i had one for a few weeks that you always felt like you were in the wrong gear. Roundabouts became very dicey as you would pull on and have no go, then all of a sudden bang you were off. always felt like you were on a bungey chord with the added scare of a car heading towards your door.
will await official details on this before judging fully though.
dandarez said:
Frimley111R said:
honest1 said:
I Think Your Both Missing The Point. This Is More About An Engine Which Is road tax and a London congestion charge Free Thanks Too 99g/km CO2, And can return 70+MPG... Also Can Hit 60 MPH In Less Than 10 Sec.
With Fuel Prices The Way They Are We Need More Cars Like This. :-)
Your post needs more capital letters.With Fuel Prices The Way They Are We Need More Cars Like This. :-)
LONDON PARIS
Garlick said:
I have always enjoyed cars with good torque low-down for the way they fire out of lower speed corners or accelerate with ease. OK, so it does make them easier to drive but I'd argue that in the right car it does add to the fun too, and is often what makes big diesels so much fun to drive. Perhaps it's horses for courses and all that?
Agree with a lot of that - some people do like that 'kick' and the easy access to power. And I may ( ) have been being deliberately provocative... TBH I was mainly aiming the comment at front-drivers - I freely admit I'm not a big fan of front-drive powerful diesels, due to the effect on the steering* that sudden slug of torque has. In your case I suspect they've been rwd machines, which removes my main gripe and just leaves it down to engine preference - torque vs revs.
* Or the numbing of the steering required to reduce the torque-steer to manageable proportions.
Antj said:
Hardly hot is it.
All those rumours of the 177bhp 2.0 1 series engine going in fell flat then.
to be honest the only true Hot Hatch diesel came out of production 2 years ago. So far the best is the Seat Ibiza Cupra Tdi. With 160bhp standard and 4 pots and a great chassis nothing has come close yet. With a spice of REVO it was up in the 200-210bhp area too. Nice
Mini SD must try harder imho.
What about the 170bhp Alfa 147 Ducati Corse? All those rumours of the 177bhp 2.0 1 series engine going in fell flat then.
to be honest the only true Hot Hatch diesel came out of production 2 years ago. So far the best is the Seat Ibiza Cupra Tdi. With 160bhp standard and 4 pots and a great chassis nothing has come close yet. With a spice of REVO it was up in the 200-210bhp area too. Nice
Mini SD must try harder imho.
RB Will said:
I was told from a BMW insider that the engine in this car will be the one from the BMW 120D. Which in the 1 series gives 163bhp / 250lbft, 50mpg 137mph top end and 0-62 in 7.9. I presume the Mini is a bit lighter but may suffer with grip doing the 0-60 but that is only going to be 1 sec shy of a Focus ST which won't do 50mpg.
Wrong on several counts. The 120D engine is 177bhp and capable of 60mpg+, and its not just used in the 1-series its fitted to most of the BMW range. Its unlikely it will be used in the MINI as its designed for RWD longitundinal applications, and clearly the MINI is a FWD vehicle with transverse engines.Supervet said:
dandarez said:
Frimley111R said:
honest1 said:
I Think Your Both Missing The Point. This Is More About An Engine Which Is road tax and a London congestion charge Free Thanks Too 99g/km CO2, And can return 70+MPG... Also Can Hit 60 MPH In Less Than 10 Sec.
With Fuel Prices The Way They Are We Need More Cars Like This. :-)
Your post needs more capital letters.With Fuel Prices The Way They Are We Need More Cars Like This. :-)
Well thank you very much. I have taken all you have to say into account. I hope this is an easier post for you to read.
But really after the first reply I got the message. So thank you all.
LONDON PARIS
I wonder if they could cram the two litre, twin turbo engine from the 123d in there? That would be worth getting excited about.
Anyway, I think I'm right in saying that the old shape Ibiza Cupra TDi with its stonking 160ps motor is STILL the daddy of small fast diesels, despite being for sale bloomin ages ago.
Anyway, I think I'm right in saying that the old shape Ibiza Cupra TDi with its stonking 160ps motor is STILL the daddy of small fast diesels, despite being for sale bloomin ages ago.
boredofmyoldname said:
pilchardthecat said:
boredofmyoldname said:
pilchardthecat said:
Oddball RS said:
"with genuine warm-hatch performance (0-62mph in 9.7secs)"
??????????????????
Exactly my thoughts. It's respectable enough for an "ordinary" car, but it's not "warm"??????????????????
There are a whole bunch of ordinary family hacks that get to 60 in 9 or 10 seconds these days. A 1.4 Fiat Panda is quicker than this, so is a 1.4 Vauxhall Astra.
The boggo Citroen ZX TD did it in 10.3s nearly 20 years ago
Antj said:
Hardly hot is it.
All those rumours of the 177bhp 2.0 1 series engine going in fell flat then.
to be honest the only true Hot Hatch diesel came out of production 2 years ago. So far the best is the Seat Ibiza Cupra Tdi. With 160bhp standard and 4 pots and a great chassis nothing has come close yet. With a spice of REVO it was up in the 200-210bhp area too. Nice
Mini SD must try harder imho.
What about the Renault megane 175?All those rumours of the 177bhp 2.0 1 series engine going in fell flat then.
to be honest the only true Hot Hatch diesel came out of production 2 years ago. So far the best is the Seat Ibiza Cupra Tdi. With 160bhp standard and 4 pots and a great chassis nothing has come close yet. With a spice of REVO it was up in the 200-210bhp area too. Nice
Mini SD must try harder imho.
mk1chopper said:
Antj said:
Hardly hot is it.
All those rumours of the 177bhp 2.0 1 series engine going in fell flat then.
to be honest the only true Hot Hatch diesel came out of production 2 years ago. So far the best is the Seat Ibiza Cupra Tdi. With 160bhp standard and 4 pots and a great chassis nothing has come close yet. With a spice of REVO it was up in the 200-210bhp area too. Nice
Mini SD must try harder imho.
What about the Renault megane 175?All those rumours of the 177bhp 2.0 1 series engine going in fell flat then.
to be honest the only true Hot Hatch diesel came out of production 2 years ago. So far the best is the Seat Ibiza Cupra Tdi. With 160bhp standard and 4 pots and a great chassis nothing has come close yet. With a spice of REVO it was up in the 200-210bhp area too. Nice
Mini SD must try harder imho.
Seems like a missed opportunity IMO. They already have the 110bhp Cooper D, so why not give a Cooper SD a bit more oompf than "only" 30bhp more? I'd imagine a diesel MINI with 160-180bhp, with the associated torque, would fit into the MINI range a bit better?
Just seems to me they could give it something more to better differentiate it from the Cooper D...
Just seems to me they could give it something more to better differentiate it from the Cooper D...
dandarez said:
Frimley111R said:
honest1 said:
I Think Your Both Missing The Point. This Is More About An Engine Which Is road tax and a London congestion charge Free Thanks Too 99g/km CO2, And can return 70+MPG... Also Can Hit 60 MPH In Less Than 10 Sec.
With Fuel Prices The Way They Are We Need More Cars Like This. :-)
Your post needs more capital letters.With Fuel Prices The Way They Are We Need More Cars Like This. :-)
va1o said:
RB Will said:
I was told from a BMW insider that the engine in this car will be the one from the BMW 120D. Which in the 1 series gives 163bhp / 250lbft, 50mpg 137mph top end and 0-62 in 7.9. I presume the Mini is a bit lighter but may suffer with grip doing the 0-60 but that is only going to be 1 sec shy of a Focus ST which won't do 50mpg.
Wrong on several counts. The 120D engine is 177bhp and capable of 60mpg+, and its not just used in the 1-series its fitted to most of the BMW range. Its unlikely it will be used in the MINI as its designed for RWD longitundinal applications, and clearly the MINI is a FWD vehicle with transverse engines.Corsair7 said:
HellDiver said:
140hp diesel is "hot hatch" now? What are you guys smoking?!?
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