RE: HonestGuv: Honda S2000

RE: HonestGuv: Honda S2000

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GhostWKD

499 posts

214 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Sold my RX7 for a S2000 a while ago. Sold again ~6 months later after suffering one of the most cursed cars i've owned. Engine let go (despite fsh and well looked after, oil always topped up etc) and needed a rebuild after ~90k iirc... then suffered the worst garage experience i've ever had (Court case is next month)....

Now in a R32 Skyline GTR and couldnt be happier smile - Although will need to buy a runabout soon as whole point of the S2000 was a car I could use for the daily commute...

Most common things i found when shopping about for the S2000 - roofs/rear windows being damaged, rust on end of sills (mine had this and needed sorting cost £500 at a bodyshop)

alock

4,228 posts

212 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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GauZe said:
0-60 in 5? Surely it's more like 6...
Magazines timed it anywhere between 5.5 and 6.5. The best conclusion I've come to is due to the lack of low-rev torque, you cannot do a clutch friendly launch and then floor the throttle. You have to dump the clutch at high revs which makes the launch very dependent on tyres, tarmac and temperature.

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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alock said:
Magazines timed it anywhere between 5.5 and 6.5. The best conclusion I've come to is due to the lack of low-rev torque, you cannot do a clutch friendly launch and then floor the throttle. You have to dump the clutch at high revs which makes the launch very dependent on tyres, tarmac and temperature.
And driver, they aren't easy things to get off the line perfectly.

I still think 5 seconds sounds optimistic, though. That would be the same as my Elise which has much the same power to weight ratio but significantly better traction. What do Honda quote for it?

BUG4LIFE

2,029 posts

219 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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fido said:
"Anyone on the taller side might find the driving position a touch high..." - it's a massive downside if you pardon the pun [Moses].

Actually, does anyone on here over 6ft3 have an S2000? It's the only reason i didn't buy one .. discrimination against tall people!
I'm 6' 6" and really want an S2000...hmmmm?!?!?!

CheesyGoat

4 posts

162 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Always loved these, have been looking at getting one for summer but insurance is a killer, £1400 is the cheapest I can get, just crazy.

Good to read about the things to watch out for though, will keep them in mind if I can ever get insurance on one.

MIP1983

210 posts

206 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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I love my s2k. I've got the 04 facelift version, which I prefer for various reasons, but one nice thing is that the revised engine doesn't use any oil.

It's a bit over-silenced as standard, which makes it sound a little harsh. Much better with a sports exhaust. Hugely chuckable, perfectly balanced. More torque would be nice (supercharger) and insurance is a bit dear. Mine did get a new mohair roof a couple of years ago as well. I think I get a tiny bit of clutch buzz as well.

Definatly doesn't have a cam-belt!

How planted/lary it is greatly depends on whether it's had a good four wheel alignment. Very geometry sensetive. Especially if it's lowered (make sure it has steering rack spacers and on pre-04, adjustable toe arms if it is).

Edited by MIP1983 on Wednesday 9th February 14:03

Asterix

24,438 posts

229 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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I had a MY03 for a few years - loved it - I used to rag the proverbial out of it and it just came back for more. Reliable, well built, cheap to service, fast enough to surprise cars 5 times the price.

I can understand it's reputation for being a bit lairy but it was set up on the edge to start with - it didn't understeer and if you drove it like a knob, it would bite back. It didn't suffer fools. Show's more about the current state of performance cars and their drivers - I went to a Porsche Cayman S after the Honda and the first thing I did was get the set up changed to get rid of the in built numpty understeer.

Great car, superb engine glad it was produced and feel privileged to have owned one for a while - I daresay it but a future classic.

alock

4,228 posts

212 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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article said:
Downsides? Well, anything revving to nine grand is going to like a drink, oil as well as (high-octane) fuel.
The high oil consumption was fixed in later versions. I've never had to top-up my oil in nearly 30,000 miles. Between 9000 mile services it goes from the full mark to the half-way mark.

A long journey cruising at 70 with the hood up, I get 37mpg. Daily 20 mile commute I get high 20's. Commute home in the summer with the hood down I try to average below 20mpg and have failed.

alock

4,228 posts

212 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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kambites said:
And driver, they aren't easy things to get off the line perfectly.

I still think 5 seconds sounds optimistic, though. That would be the same as my Elise which has much the same power to weight ratio but significantly better traction. What do Honda quote for it?
Honda quoted 6.2. I don't know how Honda measured it though.

A variety of tests logged here:
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Honda-Vtech-0-60-mph-...

Chris-R

756 posts

188 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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BUG4LIFE said:
I'm 6' 6" and really want an S2000...hmmmm?!?!?!
I'm 6'4, and it was a struggle to turn the wheel past my knees. Maybe a race-type seat might help?

MIP1983

210 posts

206 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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For the tall people, I'm sure I've seen lower seat rails advertised on the owners club.

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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alock said:
Honda quoted 6.2. I don't know how Honda measured it though.

A variety of tests logged here:
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Honda-Vtech-0-60-mph-...
None of them are particularly close to five seconds. 5.6-5.7 seems to be a good figure based on those results.

maximm

1,313 posts

219 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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I had a 1999 Jap import...with the BBS wheels. Loved it.

Might have to get another one for the summer!

Chris-R

756 posts

188 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Belts, chains... HonestGuv stands corrected.

snorkel sucker

2,662 posts

204 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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kambites said:
alock said:
Honda quoted 6.2. I don't know how Honda measured it though.

A variety of tests logged here:
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Honda-Vtech-0-60-mph-...
None of them are particularly close to five seconds. 5.6-5.7 seems to be a good figure based on those results.
very hard cars to launch effectively. I tried once but couldn't summon up enough mechanical sympathy to ever want to try again! As mentioned, the character of the engine coupled with the general layout i.e. FR means that they aren't the easiest to get a 0-60 time which is wholly representative of the engine's power/power to weight

kambites

67,587 posts

222 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Indeed. 0-60 doesn't mean much, but that doesn't stop the article from being wrong from what I can find. smile

Herman Toothrot

6,702 posts

199 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Drive one once, didn't like it. Needed far shorter gears.

RacingPete

8,884 posts

205 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Best gear change in any (manual road) car I've ever driven!

tonym911

16,555 posts

206 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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kambites said:
Indeed. 0-60 doesn't mean much, but that doesn't stop the article from being wrong from what I can find. smile
What Car? tested it at 5.6 in Aug '99.

craig7584

152 posts

160 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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the 6.2 secs figure is 0-62, so to 60 your talking around 6 secs ish..

http://www.helpfindmea.co.uk/cars/specs/honda-s200...