RE: Pagani Huayra Ready For Lift-Off

[itz_baseline]

CampDavid said:

That has to be a typo. Surely.

I agree....£150,000 (ish) just for the bolts does seem a little steep.

[Groober]

Lil' Joe said:

I did not like the first pics but this is really growing on me.

Is that not just a Zonda?

[BoRED S2upid]

I can't be the only one that likes this? Ithink its looks ace and no doubt will be followed by various more extreme machines im sure that 700BHP is conservative cue the Track special with 750BHP and less weight and on and on in true Pagini style while still making the odd Zonda for anyone who cares to throw a couple of mill at them for a one off special. You can't fault Pagini IMO.

[chippy17]

BoRED S2upid said:

I can't be the only one that likes this? Ithink its looks ace and no doubt will be followed by various more extreme machines im sure that 700BHP is conservative cue the Track special with 750BHP and less weight and on and on in true Pagini style while still making the odd Zonda for anyone who cares to throw a couple of mill at them for a one off special. You can't fault Pagini IMO.

you are not alone I think it looks great, prefer it to Zonda

'y eeera' I beleive ?

[hughcam]

IMO This makes the new Mclarren look abit sh** (Cost and performance aside obviously).

[ph123]

more of a 'whhyrraa' I hear ...

[sootyrumble]

itz_baseline said:

I agree....£150,000 (ish) just for the bolts does seem a little steep.

I think thats the point much like the Bugatti and the Aston one - 77 These are money no object cars, everything is taken to the nth degree of perfection personally given the money i would take this. Its not just about performance after all you can buy an Ariel Atom for £35k and it will decimate every supercar on the planet this is a driving work of art and i love the idea of branded 60euro titanium bolts if i could afford them :-. Mr Pagani is an innovator and a legend he is the Enzo Ferrari of my generation :-P

[lauda]

sootyrumble said:

I think thats the point much like the Bugatti and the Aston one - 77 These are money no object cars, everything is taken to the nth degree of perfection personally given the money i would take this. Its not just about performance after all you can buy an Ariel Atom for £35k and it will decimate every supercar on the planet this is a driving work of art and i love the idea of branded 60euro titanium bolts if i could afford them :-. Mr Pagani is an innovator and a legend he is the Enzo Ferrari of my generation :-P

But if the puchase price is iro £1m, there's no way £150k of that is accounted for just by the bolts. The materials and labour cost for the carbon fibre parts can't be much more than that and then there's all the other parts, development costs to amortize and, most importantly of all, Mr Pagani's margin.

I'm pretty sure there is a decimal point in the wrong place somewhere in that article. €6 a bolt I can believe, €60 is just ridiculous.

[BBS-LM]

British Beef said:

So 3000 nuts & bolts at €60 a pop, is about the same cost as the new Mclaren MP12.

Decision time, a pile of bolts (albeit very nice Titanium jobies) or the Mclaren?

WHAT!

[ptopman]

Any of you guys remember how much was made of the fact that McLaren lined the engine bay of their F1 with gold because it was the best reflector? Well, apparently that was gold foil, and included about 25 g of gold. Was probably worth couple hundred quid back then, a couple times that today.

I wonder if this €60 per bolt isn't some silliness like that. Surely Mr. Pagani should have investigated glue for even more weight and cost savings if that figure is absolutely accurate.

Edited by ptopman on Friday 18th February 13:55

[lauda]

ptopman said:

Any of you guys remember how much was made of the fact that McLaren lined the engine bay of their F1 with gold because it was the best reflector? Well, apparently that was gold foil, and included about 25 g of gold. Was probably worth couple hundred quid back then, a couple times that today.

I wonder if this €60 per bolt isn't some silliness like that. Surely Mr. Pagani should have investigated glue for even more weight and cost savings if that figure is absolutely accurate.

Edited by ptopman on Friday 18th February 13:55

I don't think that it was every claimed that it was anything other than gold foil was it?

ETA - just checked my copy of Driving Ambition and that says that it's gold foil. Albeit 24 carat gold foil.

[Greenwich Ross]

Streetrod said:

And too think I had to turn down my invitation to the launch in Milan today because I had to take my kid to his potential new school. I know family comes first but I really wanted to go to this event

Ah well I will just have to take up their invitation to a private viewing in a few weeks time

No-one likes a Mr Boasty.

[Bill]

peeves said:

Now, I have to ask, how do you actually pronounce Huayra?? HI-YO-RAH?

It's halfway between Hughie and Ralph.

[tomb1972]

Must go and do the euromillions

[evenflow]

Steff said:

Not doubting that its an outstanding piece of craftsmanship It looks ugly from the front and those wheels do it no favours either. I think it'll look better a few evolutions down the line rather like the Zonda.

Yep, agree with that.

stephen300o said:

It looks a bit like the knock off cars the Chinese are making at the moment, the proportions look off.
It does look beautifully engineered under the skin though.

Also very much agree with that.

Disappointed after that AWESOME Zonda R.

[RedWhiteMonkey]

What's the strange silver ball looking thing in the seat base? Looks like some scary device designed to electrocute your balls.

[ptopman]

lauda said:

I don't think that it was every claimed that it was anything other than gold foil was it?

ETA - just checked my copy of Driving Ambition and that says that it's gold foil. Albeit 24 carat gold foil.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise. But if you were to revisit the reviews, most (but apparently not that one) make a big deal of it - as if there were thousands of £ worth of the stuff in the engine bay.

A claim of spending €60 on a bolt makes the car seem to be engineered/produced to the highest level and makes for a juicy story which might be reason to stretch reality to some extent..

[FatPorker]

Greenwich Ross said:

No-one likes a Mr Boasty.

He has obviously missed out on the real customer treatment, where horatio personally drove the truck that delivered the first car to me at the beginning of last week. Its currently sitting in my garage as I promised not to drive it in public till after the formal launch. It looks great in the flesh and much better than any of my zondas...

Horatio is very good at massaging the egos of those who feel inadequate and really need their ego massaged you know. He charges me £1m for an ego massage and throws the car in for free.

[Jerwatt]

FatPorker said:

He has obviously missed out on the real customer treatment, where horatio personally drove the truck that delivered the first car to me at the beginning of last week. Its currently sitting in my garage as I promised not to drive it in public till after the formal launch. It looks great in the flesh and much better than any of my zondas...

Horatio is very good at massaging the egos of those who feel inadequate and really need their ego massaged you know. He charges me £1m for an ego massage and throws the car in for free.

Or someone has worded hard in the right business and is thinking about spending some of his hard-earned to buy his dream? Also looking at Zonda owners, a lot are not the most obvious show-offs. Around 3 ended up to the middle eastern Harrod's crowd, compare that to the number of Veyrons. I've always thought of the Zonda as a car for enthusiasts, albeit very rich ones.

Horacio is really quite down to earth the one time I met him. A bit "cold" in some ways, but I think that's partly to do with the language thing (he doesn't speak much english). I guess a lot of people would think he would employ an external company to pack up a stand at a motorshow? Not true, he, his son(s) and other Pagani staff do it. He's done exceptionally well, and seems to still be planted in reality.

[gumsie]

British Beef said:

Over styled, over engineered and over priced.

This thing looks more deserving of a place in the Tate Modern.

At that price it is not even competing with Lambo's, Ferraris, or the Mclaren.

Over styled, Ok - a matter of opinion on that one. Over engineered - one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard. How can that be a problem?...and over priced. Ok - good point there.