Car Ad Scam

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Risotto

3,928 posts

213 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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St John Smythe said:
Mahwish said:
I fell for the scam with arthur.aarts he was selling a really low price car on gum tree and I thought it might be sold soon so I responded urgently. I was told to pay into a company called british net-pay – http://www.british-netpay.com/ and they hold the money till you get a chance to inspect the car and if u agree to buy it transfers to the seller if not it comes back to you. I paid into british net pay account as stated on their website, gumtree send me a reccomended email for this company as well. After paying I got an email from british net pay that the account I had transfered into had reached its fund limit so could I cancel the transaction and transfer to different account. Since the money had left my account there was no way I could cancel it or get it back i told them to send it back to me but since then they have been unresponsive. I am really worried what should I do please help me.
I don't mean to be funny but are you being serious? You honestly sent money on a dodgy website????
Proof, assuming it's true, that these scams aren't laughably obvious to everyone. Presumably they're a worthwhile effort from the scammer's point of view. I don't imagine the odd petulant email from people 'clever' enough to see through the scam is much more than a mild inconvenience.

With enough adverts on enough websites in enough countries, I imagine they make quite a tidy profit (especially since the cost of running the scams is absolutely zero).

The most 'successful' car-related case I heard of involved an M3 CSL and £30k. The former didn't exist and the latter was never seen again if I remember rightly (although I think the scam was slightly more believable than usual). I'm sure someone will have a link to the story.


Edited by Risotto on Wednesday 20th April 13:20

tubbsracing

9 posts

157 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Scams like that have been about in the autotrader for ages.... its buyer beware and all that , if it looks too good to be true it probably is... unfortunatly people do get gaught out and sucked in to the .."" OMG its so cheap ive got to have it " trap

UncleRic

937 posts

169 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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tommyjj said:
why would someone joke about getting mugged-off so massively?
If Mahwish turms out to be genuine I will apologies to him / her.

tommyjj

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150 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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as a last resort it might be worth speaking to some of these people

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/briti... They may also try to rip you off too, in which case they deserve the Neil Lennon-treatment (if they have an address)

interesting that british-netpay.com is Russian-based and has only been around for a month


tommyjj

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150 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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UncleRic said:
tommyjj said:
why would someone joke about getting mugged-off so massively?
If Mahwish turms out to be genuine I will apologies to him / her.
You think they are a scammer too? just testing the water to see what people say?

OMNIO

1,256 posts

167 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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tommyjj said:
Blimey, sorry to hear that mate, how much did you lose and when?

I don't think there's a great deal you can do. Did you get a phone number before you sent the money?

It might be worth speaking to the police and the email supplier who his address was with, as they will have IP address logs for him, which might at least help point out a location.

It might also be worth looking through Gumtree in the future to see if any other ads that look similar have been placed. Chances are it is the same guy or group of guys. Then set up an email account that he/they won't recognise and pretend you're interested. See what info you can get from them on their location etc.

If you can get this far then I would recommend passing those details on to the police, though I can't guarantee they'll care, being too busy as they are, hassling people for exceeding the speed limit by 8 mph. Personally, if I could find out the location of the person (even if it were in Nigeria), I would take Mr baseball bat and pay them a visit.

I have found 3 more scams on Gumtree recently and have enjoyed wasting their time and eventually hitting them with a barrage of inexcuseable abuse just as they think i'm about to pay. Not very mature, but immensely satisfying
You using Outlook Express?

UncleRic

937 posts

169 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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tommyjj said:
You think they are a scammer too? just testing the water to see what people say?
Not necessarily a scammer, but perhaps less than honest.
I've based that assumption on the way the post was worded.

Much like, I expect, that you are assuming that I am a ccensoredk face for my first reply in this post.

tommyjj

Original Poster:

150 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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OMNIO said:
You using Outlook Express?
No, why?

what a strange question

tommyjj

Original Poster:

150 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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UncleRic said:
Not necessarily a scammer, but perhaps less than honest.
I've based that assumption on the way the post was worded.

Much like, I expect, that you are assuming that I am a ccensoredk face for my first reply in this post.
tee hee. of course not

Risotto

3,928 posts

213 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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tommyjj said:
OMNIO said:
You using Outlook Express?
No, why?

what a strange question
He's trying to help you in your search for a location...

tommyjj

Original Poster:

150 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Risotto said:
He's trying to help you in your search for a location...
ah i see. sorry

I'm not searching for anyone. I gave up on that ages ago

OMNIO

1,256 posts

167 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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tommyjj said:
ah i see. sorry

I'm not searching for anyone. I gave up on that ages ago
I won't bother explaining then.

tommyjj

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150 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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OMNIO said:
I won't bother explaining then.
I'm sure the other people who read this thread would find an explanation interesting and useful?

OMNIO

1,256 posts

167 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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In Outlook Express its possible to see the sender's IP address.

Do this by Right Clicking the e-mail then clicking 'options'

The 'Origin Ip adress is visible in the 'Internet headers' box.

A typical user can't get much from the IP on its own, perhaps an approximate location (norrowed down to city at best) or where the ISP server he is connected to is located.

People with the right know how or the right tools (police) can use the IP address to either find the location of a computer the person is using to send the e-mails from or find out the user's ISP.

They can contact the ISP then get the User's information.

I was thinking it might be useful as this guy seems a pretty prolific fraudster / theif and the police might be interested?

jonno990

420 posts

179 months

Wednesday 20th April 2011
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Years ago I remember seeing a year old RS6 for 12k. Obviously a scam, but I mailed my interest anyway. I sent maybe ten emails over the course of a week saying how interested I was. I got bored in the end and told him where to park his (imaginary) RS6.

It turned out winding the scammers up is a bit of an internet sport. Just try googling scambaiting, some are quite funny.

I really can't believe that people are daft enough to fall for these scams, maybe it's just greed, but they have been going on for years so they must be catching the odd mug.