RE: Toyota Shows Off FT-86 'II'

[thetapeworm]

jonno990 said:

Some more pics and a couple of vids here.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98...

It reminds me of a Citroen DS3 in those pictures, it also looks like it's trying too hard, knock some cash off and remove all the trinkets please Mr Toyota.

[Escort Si-130]

Nope its just perfect, stick to your MX5

hornetrider said:

Needs to lose the chavvy spoiler extensions - which I think it will when it reaches production.

[Escort Si-130]

The car is fantastic 10 out of 10 Toyota, and in black it looks even better. This car seems to be lurring me more towards getting one when they come out.
Although I would expect a higher engine output than at current, at least to pull around 6 seconds 0-60.

[noclue]

So I assume at some point they are going to get on build this car for F's sake!

[Black S2K]

kambites said:

It doesn't have to, manufacturers could just make them look like dipped beam headlights if they wanted to.

Just like the dim-dip headlights we had in thw 1980s.

Politiciunts can't help fiddling around, just like yer Wicked Uncle Ernie...

[Black S2K]

Have to say, The Toyobaru Twins (another '80s reference!) are the first genuinely exciting cars since the Evora.

I hope they drive as well as promised.

I like the Acrylic Subie better so far; it fixes my beef about lousy visibility making modern cars slow, it looks less overstyled & appeals to the sadly-lingering badge-snob in me.

That could all change, of course...

[CarMad426]

Looks like it will be an interesting car lets hope they keep it light and give it some good power too.

This shows it off a bit better than the pictures on youtube:

Concept at Geneva 2011

[clarkey328is]

Am I right in thinking that at some point in 2012 you won't be allowed to modify brand new cars any more? It will be a massive shame if they don't get it out before that date.
I love the look of it and the ethos behind it though.

[mizx]

clarkey328is said:

Am I right in thinking that at some point in 2012 you won't be allowed to modify brand new cars any more? It will be a massive shame if they don't get it out before that date.
I love the look of it and the ethos behind it though.

I can't remember where I read about this before, I think it was a complete misconception. I simply can't imagine them ratifying something that would destroy such a huge industry overnight.

Edited by mizx on Wednesday 2nd March 17:22

[hornetrider]

Escort Si-130 said:

Stuff

If you're happy driving round in a Veilside/Wings West Waynemobile then I'm happy for you. I however think the red first concept was a far better cleaner design.

[mainaman]

The spoilers and the LEDs make the car,it looks much better than the first concept.After all it originally targeted the Playstation generation...

Edited by mainaman on Wednesday 2nd March 17:27

[otolith]

Clivey said:

It's a shame they didn't make an equivalent model with a conventional petrol engine developing the same power.

They do - it's called a Mazda 6 MPS. Obviously you lose the packaging advantages of the rotary, so in order to still be a proper four seater it has to be a more conventional saloon shape, and the centre of gravity has to be higher and further forwards because the engine is too tall to fit under the dashboard, so it doesn't handle the same way, and it's a four cylinder engine, so it isn't as smooth and doesn't sound like anything special, but it's got loads of torque, loads of power and reasonable fuel economy.

Swings and roundabouts.

[clarkey328is]

mizx said:

clarkey328is said:

Am I right in thinking that at some point in 2012 you won't be allowed to modify brand new cars any more? It will be a massive shame if they don't get it out before that date.
I love the look of it and the ethos behind it though.

I can't remember where I read about this before, I think it was a complete misconception. I simply can't imagine them ratifying something that would destroy such a huge industry overnight.

Edited by mizx on Wednesday 2nd March 17:22

They have this rule in force in Belgium and Belgium is the heart of the EU. I don't think it's too far-fetched.

[renorti]

nice looking toyota,200hp but they should sell it for £17k be a winner then

[kambites]

renorti said:

nice looking toyota,200hp but they should sell it for £17k be a winner then

Or why not sell it for 5 pence? Then they'd sell millions of the things!

[j123]

Question ask at Geneva...will it have Cayman type Hydraulic steering or Electric with little feel? Ask away. j

[forzaminardi]

I have to say, on reflection I'm disappointed by this. I was saving with the genuine intention of putting a deposit down as soon as dealers know what i'm talking about. They've faffed around with it too much, its like they've lost their nerve at the last minute. I expected the nose and roofline to be higher for pedestrian safety, but adding the haunches and bulking it up wasn't necessary. I think they are worried the last concept didn't look beefy enough, not realising the whole appeal of it is in the fact that it appear lean and lithe and focussed. They've turned it into too much of an Audi I would say.

Ultimately the looks don't matter so much if the driving experience is up to par and if the weight and power remains on target then I'm still interested. But if you wander over to the Alfa stand and see what they have to offer in 2012 it makes me wonder...

[993 T]

Wolf in sheeps clothing comes to mind, which is a shame because I'm sure toyota can make an efficient and cheap enough car with 250-300BHP, I doubt this one will top 200, it will be Golf GTi Quick

[briers]

993 T said:

Wolf in sheeps clothing comes to mind, which is a shame because I'm sure toyota can make an efficient and cheap enough car with 250-300BHP, I doubt this one will top 200, it will be Golf GTi Quick

It better not be.

It should be lighter, 250bhp minimum and well balanced for superb handling. If it doesn't hit that spot there is no way I would buy it. And I really want toyota to get this right because I'm a 6 or 8 cylinder guy.

[patmahe]

I like that a lot. Assuming they make the obvious subtle changes to make it production ready without making a mess of it, I'd be very interested, this market sector has been neglected in recent times. Price point will be critical though.