The Audi TT Diesel
Discussion
adycav said:
I'm bored of my own thread.
I'm in disbelief at the blatant (and blinkered) anti-diesel prejudice displayed in this thread The fundamental arguments against the TT diesel seem to be that
1. It doesn't make the right noise
2. It's a diesel.
Personally I listen to the radio when driving, so I really don't give a flying f
k what the rest of the world can hear. My car has sound insulation and I like it that way. As for what fuel it uses - so what? I have only purchased diesel cars for nearly 10 years now for 1 very simple reason - they make very efficient engines, ie more smiles per £ than the equivalent petrol engine. If Audi made a petrol and diesel TT with identical performance and economy then other factors would come into play - servicing costs, reliability, road tax, purchase price. But they don't, and the diesel TT means that many drivers can now afford to run a sports coupé instead of a boring Golf or Mondeo. Why shouldn't these drivers be allowed to enjoy driving their cars - is there some sort of elite club?
Diesel engines mean sporty cars become accessible to most drivers. What's not to like?
oldcynic said:
adycav said:
I'm bored of my own thread.
I'm in disbelief at the blatant (and blinkered) anti-diesel prejudice displayed in this thread The fundamental arguments against the TT diesel seem to be that
1. It doesn't make the right noise
2. It's a diesel.
Personally I listen to the radio when driving, so I really don't give a flying f
k what the rest of the world can hear. My car has sound insulation and I like it that way. As for what fuel it uses - so what? I have only purchased diesel cars for nearly 10 years now for 1 very simple reason - they make very efficient engines, ie more smiles per £ than the equivalent petrol engine. If Audi made a petrol and diesel TT with identical performance and economy then other factors would come into play - servicing costs, reliability, road tax, purchase price. But they don't, and the diesel TT means that many drivers can now afford to run a sports coupé instead of a boring Golf or Mondeo. Why shouldn't these drivers be allowed to enjoy driving their cars - is there some sort of elite club?
Diesel engines mean sporty cars become accessible to most drivers. What's not to like?
king diesel cars, and the fact you and so many others have to justify them clearly shows how insecure you are about them. Blue Meanie said:
Sounds like it is you with the issue.
Hardly... i use a diesel car very occasionally at work, but i'd never buy a diesel car with my own money. At the end of the day as long as petrol is still available that's what i use; if you lot have diesels that's your choice but why justify it those people have the issues with it. You can't hate me for loving petrol FFS... It does come to something when i'm having to say this on a what is a petrol heads site....
Hot Potatoes said:
It does come to something when i'm having to say this on a what is a petrol heads site....
Bugger - I thought I was on a car enthusiasts site!You seem to conveniently overlook the fact that for every completely awful diesel car out there, you will find at least as many truly awful petrol powered cars. Give credit where it's due, and get your head out of your arse - if you've got money to burn (literally) on petrol and tax then lucky you. Personally I've got better places to spend my money. I will judge each car I buy on it's merits, after a suitably long test drive.
I drive a Diesel Skoda most of the time for my daily commute. It means I can afford to run the XJS for fun at weekends. Different cars for different things.
My GF picked her current (225) TT because of the colour - there is a fair chance a Diesel TT will be her next car. It will look nice, be comfortable, quick enough and economical. That's good enough for her and I don't see why it should bother anyone else ....
My GF picked her current (225) TT because of the colour - there is a fair chance a Diesel TT will be her next car. It will look nice, be comfortable, quick enough and economical. That's good enough for her and I don't see why it should bother anyone else ....
It would be much better with a 6 cylinder diesel.
Those Vw / Audi 4 cyclinder diesels are so rough I just couldnt live with one in a sporty car (and I've used 100, 130, 150 and 170 versions of that engine and they are horrible) but if its a company car you probably have to chose a diesel (that is the scheme here diesels only).
Those Vw / Audi 4 cyclinder diesels are so rough I just couldnt live with one in a sporty car (and I've used 100, 130, 150 and 170 versions of that engine and they are horrible) but if its a company car you probably have to chose a diesel (that is the scheme here diesels only).
rallycross said:
It would be much better with a 6 cylinder diesel.
Those Vw / Audi 4 cyclinder diesels are so rough I just couldnt live with one in a sporty car (and I've used 100, 130, 150 and 170 versions of that engine and they are horrible) but if its a company car you probably have to chose a diesel (that is the scheme here diesels only).
Yeah, because adding even more cast iron into the nose of an Audi is going to mitigate their inherrent understeer nature isn't it Those Vw / Audi 4 cyclinder diesels are so rough I just couldnt live with one in a sporty car (and I've used 100, 130, 150 and 170 versions of that engine and they are horrible) but if its a company car you probably have to chose a diesel (that is the scheme here diesels only).
rallycross said:
It would be much better with a 6 cylinder diesel.
Those Vw / Audi 4 cyclinder diesels are so rough I just couldnt live with one in a sporty car (and I've used 100, 130, 150 and 170 versions of that engine and they are horrible) but if its a company car you probably have to chose a diesel (that is the scheme here diesels only).
When its warm the CR unit in the TT is incredibly smooth, i can barely tell the difference from a petrol.Those Vw / Audi 4 cyclinder diesels are so rough I just couldnt live with one in a sporty car (and I've used 100, 130, 150 and 170 versions of that engine and they are horrible) but if its a company car you probably have to chose a diesel (that is the scheme here diesels only).
Bottom line is if you want to save money whilst still have a reasonably fast, sporty, good handling, well made car then this is it. Yes its a compromise but a very, very good one!
rallycross said:
Those Vw / Audi 4 cyclinder diesels are so rough I just couldnt live with one in a sporty car (and I've used 100, 130, 150 and 170 versions of that engine and they are horrible) but if its a company car you probably have to chose a diesel (that is the scheme here diesels only).
You realise there are several different 4-cylinder diesel engines that VW Group make? Sounds like you are talking about the older PD (Pump Duse) units. The latest CR diesels are very smooth and refined.va1o said:
rallycross said:
Those Vw / Audi 4 cyclinder diesels are so rough I just couldnt live with one in a sporty car (and I've used 100, 130, 150 and 170 versions of that engine and they are horrible) but if its a company car you probably have to chose a diesel (that is the scheme here diesels only).
You realise there are several different 4-cylinder diesel engines that VW Group make? Sounds like you are talking about the older PD (Pump Duse) units. The latest CR diesels are very smooth and refined.From teh list you've put up, the 100/130/150 are all old engines. The new ones are 2.0, and 140 or 170bhp, as far as I know.
However you dress it up it's all about economy.
What you are saying to those in the know is that you want a nice car but can't afford to run the petrol one.
You all know the petrol unit is lighter, responds to throttle input quicker, revs higher etc. You all know the diesel car is compromised by stiffer springs to counter the weight of the engine, that often the diesel equivalent needs bigger discs (hence more unsprung weight) to match the lighter petrol car...I could go on.
End of the day you would pick the petrol car if it cost the same to run.
What you are saying to those in the know is that you want a nice car but can't afford to run the petrol one.
You all know the petrol unit is lighter, responds to throttle input quicker, revs higher etc. You all know the diesel car is compromised by stiffer springs to counter the weight of the engine, that often the diesel equivalent needs bigger discs (hence more unsprung weight) to match the lighter petrol car...I could go on.
End of the day you would pick the petrol car if it cost the same to run.
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