The Audi TT Diesel

[anonymous-user]

Well I think the number one thing a performance car should be is a good handler, not the engine.

[oldcynic]

MSTRBKR said:

Well I think the number one thing a performance car should be is a good handler, not the engine.

hence the need for a fat bloke sitting on the bonnet to hold it down.

[adycav]

va1o said:

What is the point of this thread?

It's all my fault, sorry.

I didn't 'get' the TT diesel, now I do.

But it's turned into one of those petrol vs diesel threads and for that I am truly penitent.

[Presuming Ed]

Private buyers are probably still buying the 2.0T though it seems everyone is brain washed into thinking diesel is the only option for them no matter how few miles pa they do. The diesel is bought by company car users who want something more interesting then a 320d or A4 tdi and yet still gives them low BIK and high enough economy to please the fleet manager.

I wouldn't go for a TDI and I guess very few Pistonheaders would but we car loving freaks are in a minority with most people wanting something stylish, shows them in a positive light and as cheap to run as posible. When was the last time you even saw any TT being given a good work out.

[wigsworld]

Presuming Ed said:

Private buyers are probably still buying the 2.0T though it seems everyone is brain washed into thinking diesel is the only option for them no matter how few miles pa they do. The diesel is bought by company car users who want something more interesting then a 320d or A4 tdi and yet still gives them low BIK and high enough economy to please the fleet manager.

I wouldn't go for a TDI and I guess very few Pistonheaders would but we car loving freaks are in a minority with most people wanting something stylish, shows them in a positive light and as cheap to run as posible. When was the last time you even saw any TT being given a good work out.

I agree with you when you say that people have been brainwashed into thinking diesel is the only option (blame motoring journalists for that). The fact is there are some excellent petrol engines out there that are very economical and would suit a lot drivers better, especially those that do a lot of short journeys. The thing with modern diesels is that the particulate filter gets clogged up very quickly so anyone doing a lot of short journeys will have a lot of problems with the engine. I think this is why manufacturers are gradually moving away from diesel technology, too expensive to keep clean and more unreliable. I'm sorry I don't understand why anyone would buy a TT or any other sports car or convertible with a diesel engine. The whole idea is that these cars are supposed to be a bit of fun. Adding a diesel engine to them is like adding a splash of crude oil to glass of wine.

[heebeegeetee]

Polrules said:

So can we agree that the only area the diesel is superior is fuel economy & that essentially people buy it as it offers cheaper motoring than it's petrol brothers (either that or it's the only vaguely interesting car on the company scheme)?

No, we cannot. I find it amazing that people still think this load of old hogwash. The only people who *still* (and i do find it rather incredible) think that people are buying diesels because of economy really don't know that much about cars.

Your views are like saying "the only reason people buy used cars is because they can't afford new".

It's absolute rubbish.

On the subject of thread though, the last thing a TT is is a sports car. It's a Golf that happens to look quite a bit nicer than a Golf, imo. If we didn't have to lug family around i could see us with one, but i certainly wouldn't be buying it for it's dynamic prowess.

So we might just as well have a diesel.

[MondeoMan1981]

My sister has one. Company car.

Having driven it I was very surprised. Goes well, mid-range especially. Handles pretty well and grip is strong. Always returns decent mpg.

For anyone who does some miles and wants a coupe, makes sense.

You could have a "The 123d coupe" or "The 320cd" thread if you liked all with the same arguements.

[slipstream 1985]

MondeoMan1981 said:

My sister has one. Company car.

Having driven it I was very surprised. Goes well, mid-range especially. Handles pretty well and grip is strong. Always returns decent mpg.

For anyone who does some miles and wants a coupe, makes sense.

You could have a "The 123d coupe" or "The 320cd" thread if you liked all with the same arguements.

no you couldnt because the debate/argument is about a car that is supposivly a poser car but that all started back on about page 3 and the thread has turned into a diesel vs petrol thread.

[jagfan2]

Want to know why they sell.

For someone like me doing 25k a year mainly commuting

everyone says get 2 cars, but overall the running costs are not feasible. So then stuck with one car, 5mpg is going on £100 a month these days, which adds up very quickly to a nicer car if you get a diesel, and usually a lower insurance group

Plus i spend up to 2hrs a day in my car, i want to drive something i like the look of and enjoy driving, makes sitting in traffic more acceptable

So if i could live with a 2/3dr, it would be something like a TT or Sirocco TDi, as still need the option of carrying 4 people, or throwing bike or lots of luggage in the back, and any petrol sports car that can get close to that MPG isnt practicle or fast enough.

For me its the other way round, there are not enough sporty diesels!

[billzeebub]

I have a diesel mud plugger and love it despite it being a diesel!..the petrol V8 is the one I really want but it is just ridiculous on fuel!..having said that I hate diesels with a passion..when out and about in the cabrio I always seem to get stuck behind someone using one like an Audi Le Mans car!!..red lining it and emitting a constant sooty belch from the rear..

even more bamboozling is that there is a market for Convertible Diesels!?..obviously a lot of Massey Ferguson fans out there!!

[slipstream 1985]

billzeebub said:

I have a diesel mud plugger and love it despite it being a diesel!..the petrol V8 is the one I really want but it is just ridiculous on fuel!..having said that I hate diesels with a passion..when out and about in the cabrio I always seem to get stuck behind someone using one like an Audi Le Mans car!!..red lining it and emitting a constant sooty belch from the rear..

even more bamboozling is that there is a market for Convertible Diesels!?..obviously a lot of Massey Ferguson fans out there!!

renault did that donkeys ago with the megane cc diesel.

[rallycross]

va1o said:

What is the point of this thread?

I spend far too much time driving, 1,000's of miles per month - so I spend far too much time thinking about stupid things like this - I see loads of TDi Sciroccos and TT's on the motorways and it makes me think about why do people buy them - so this thread is relevant.

If work gave me a 335D or 535D or big Merc 6 cyl D I'd be quite happy - but I couldnt stand having a 4 cyl VAG Tdi as my daily driver due to the noise/vibration/general harshness of a 4 cyl diesel.

LPG is one alternative - the joys of a petrol engine but only 80p per litre - sadly the gas tank wouldnt leave much boot space in a TT !

Edited by rallycross on Thursday 10th March 22:33

[Polrules]

heebeegeetee said:

No, we cannot. I find it amazing that people still think this load of old hogwash. The only people who *still* (and i do find it rather incredible) think that people are buying diesels because of economy really don't know that much about cars.

Your views are like saying "the only reason people buy used cars is because they can't afford new".

It's absolute rubbish.

On the subject of thread though, the last thing a TT is is a sports car. It's a Golf that happens to look quite a bit nicer than a Golf, imo. If we didn't have to lug family around i could see us with one, but i certainly wouldn't be buying it for it's dynamic prowess.

So we might just as well have a diesel.

I quite agree with your thoughts on the TT/sportscar issue. However I'm afraid I have to call into question your commitment to all things 'PH' with your love of the black stuff! Granted there are a few diesel powerplants that have caught my attention, most notably the VAG V10, but economy is a moot point on that one.

For anyone to claim that they buy a humdrum 4cyl diesel for any other reason than economy or company car scheme restrictions is amazing. Can you tell me what it is I've been missing? Can you honestly say that something like an Integra Type-R would be the same with a diesel engine?

Don't mean to sound aggressive - I'm genuinely interested.

[oldcynic]

Polrules said:

I quite agree with your thoughts on the TT/sportscar issue. However I'm afraid I have to call into question your commitment to all things 'PH' with your love of the black stuff! Granted there are a few diesel powerplants that have caught my attention, most notably the VAG V10, but economy is a moot point on that one.

For anyone to claim that they buy a humdrum 4cyl diesel for any other reason than economy or company car scheme restrictions is amazing. Can you tell me what it is I've been missing? Can you honestly say that something like an Integra Type-R would be the same with a diesel engine?

Don't mean to sound aggressive - I'm genuinely interested.

Not a sportscar but a practical application - I drive a Volvo V70 D5 - 2.4 litre inline 5 cylinder turbo diesel. The engine is extremely well matched to the car - mid-range torque for wafting past people on country lanes and very well composed on the motorway. And 45mpg however I drive it. I haven't actually tried the petrol equivalent but I can't see it being any more relaxing to drive, nor any faster unless racing off the lights. I've also just noticed the humdrum 4cyl criteria which I don't actually fit, but hey-ho - it's a diesel and I like it that way - not just for the economy, but actually for the way it drives.

However I do agree with the earlier comment about low mileage short distance driving - our Alhambra has the dreaded 1.9 PD VW engine and it is almost entirely unsuitable for the multiple short journeys it undertakes - 2-3 miles at a time, 3-6 times daily. I don't think the engine has reached optimum temperature since about September!

[Polrules]

oldcynic said:

Not a sportscar but a practical application - I drive a Volvo V70 D5 - 2.4 litre inline 5 cylinder turbo diesel. The engine is extremely well matched to the car - mid-range torque for wafting past people on country lanes and very well composed on the motorway. And 45mpg however I drive it. I haven't actually tried the petrol equivalent but I can't see it being any more relaxing to drive, nor any faster unless racing off the lights. I've also just noticed the humdrum 4cyl criteria which I don't actually fit, but hey-ho - it's a diesel and I like it that way - not just for the economy, but actually for the way it drives.

However I do agree with the earlier comment about low mileage short distance driving - our Alhambra has the dreaded 1.9 PD VW engine and it is almost entirely unsuitable for the multiple short journeys it undertakes - 2-3 miles at a time, 3-6 times daily. I don't think the engine has reached optimum temperature since about September!

Ah, now you see I actually quite like the Volvo D5 - I drove a few when I was looking for an S60 & can totally understand how it suits the relaxed gait of the car. Only thing that put me off was at the time I was leaving for work quite early and the wife's first reaction was 'that [D5] will wake me up when you leave in the morning'. Bought the 2.0T in the end - still got 35mpg on most trips.

[heebeegeetee]

Polrules said:

I quite agree with your thoughts on the TT/sportscar issue. However I'm afraid I have to call into question your commitment to all things 'PH' with your love of the black stuff! Granted there are a few diesel powerplants that have caught my attention, most notably the VAG V10, but economy is a moot point on that one.

For anyone to claim that they buy a humdrum 4cyl diesel for any other reason than economy or company car scheme restrictions is amazing. Can you tell me what it is I've been missing? Can you honestly say that something like an Integra Type-R would be the same with a diesel engine?

Don't mean to sound aggressive - I'm genuinely interested.

If I wanted an Integra R I'd buy an Integra R. However, if i wanted a more rounded car, i'd buy something else. And possibly an Integra R as well.

I can absolutely assure you 100% though that i do not have a commitment to all things PH, because i think many of the views expressed on PH are barking. I *cannot* understand this diesel/economy thing for a starter: afaiaa the cars are dearer, the fuel is dearer - where's the economy? (I also simply cannot understand this fixation with sports cars that seems to be going around on PH at the moment either, but that's another topic).

But the idea that petrolheadism is a badge that must be worn is ludicrous, unless of course maybe one is young and still insecure etc, and showing the world 'what you're made of' is important. But me I just want a car that suits.

As i said, I think that claiming that people *only* buy dervs for economy is exactly the same as saying the only reason we aren't all in 60 or 11 plate cars is because of economy. It's just barking, imo.

I like diesels because of their characteristics. I find petrol engines often to be a bit frustrating, but especially 99% of four cylinder petrols. I like the engine in my Boxster, but 260bhp from 3.2 litres is nothing to shout about. They're known to be fragile too. Having said that it does have torque and it revs to 7.2 as well, but then it has had to be sized to 3.2 litres to do that. It sounds lovely with the roof up, can't hear it with the roof down. Like most petrol engines it has to be caned to get the car to move and then the fuel consumption plummets.

I know many of the more modern turbo petrol engines have come on a hell of a long way, but a four cylinder turbo is probably the most boring automotive sound known to man. I remember the 1500cc four cylinder turbos from the 1000bhp F1 era, and even they sounded bloody boring.

[va1o]

rallycross said:

va1o said:

What is the point of this thread?

I spend far too much time driving, 1,000's of miles per month - so I spend far too much time thinking about stupid things like this - I see loads of TDi Sciroccos and TT's on the motorways and it makes me think about why do people buy them - so this thread is relevant.

If work gave me a 335D or 535D or big Merc 6 cyl D I'd be quite happy - but I couldnt stand having a 4 cyl VAG Tdi as my daily driver due to the noise/vibration/general harshness of a 4 cyl diesel.

LPG is one alternative - the joys of a petrol engine but only 80p per litre - sadly the gas tank wouldnt leave much boot space in a TT !

You haven't read the posts explaining that not all 4-cylinder diesels are the same, have you?

[Anh]

You know, thinking about it, the Audi TT really does deserve a diesel engine.

And Audi drivers do really deserve a car like the TT Tdi

[Blue Meanie]

You should update your profile garage before deciding to say stuff about others cars.

[edo]

Anh said:

You know, thinking about it, the Audi TT really does deserve a diesel engine.

And Audi drivers do really deserve a car like the TT Tdi

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