Toyota Corolla T sport 190bhp

[rallycross]

Tallbut Buxomly said:

I love idiots like yourself who come out with these great one liners. Esp when you dont even list your cars at all. You have an Mx5 which has been chavved. Bully for you. Ever owned anything else.

A corsa maybe??? No wait prior to your mx5 you probably owned a Nova 1.1??


NO NO Wait wait i got it!!!!!! iIll bet, like a bazillion gazillion pounds that just out of shot on your profile pic theres a whole fleet of exotic cars including a bugatti veyron a carrera gt and a zonda r you just dont wanna seem to be bragging Right??


Im right arent i??

Go on admit it!!

God I envy you!!

No really I do!!!









Please note the above is sarcasm. I dont really envy you



I never will either sorry to admit

I also said they are crap. And I have previously owned one, along with most of its obvious alternatives hence I do have a valid reference point when describing a car.

I just had a look at your previous car experience and I think its a bit lacking in depth for you to have a qualfied opinion on this subject. All cars have good points, and usually the owners of a given model will focus on those good points - but they tend to have blinkers on when it comes to the bad points.

No need to call him an idiot/chav because he doesnt like the car.

[nottyash]

Why do you think they are so much cheaper than the equivalent year Civic Type R?

[geeteeaye]

nottyash said:

Why do you think they are so much cheaper than the equivalent year Civic Type R?

coz ppl want da vtec yo?

[VB]

hora said:

VB I'm not singing the praises of the type r. Its not my angle per se. Why do you need v.stiff suspension to make a car enjoyable?
If its a shopping car/to the shops why does it need 190bhp?

Aygo would do 90% better than the T Sport IMO.

Because some people like to have a turn of speed when they choose too?
Stiff suspension doesn't make a sports car, although VAG would probably disagree.

I just think people are asking too much of what IMO is a good compromise between turn of speed and practicality (given its a fwd hatch) given the current state of the roads.

[adycav]

kentao said:

All i know is it needs to be
jap
around 4-5k to buy
no more than 10 years old
and deliver more than 180bhp

Few others to think about:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2577269.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2457699.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2269308.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2491937.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2548210.htm

[VB]

hora said:

Driven one? (I haven't BTW) just curious if you had back-to-backed them?

Owned a Corolla (not a T Sport) and have driven the last 2 incarnations of the type-r.

Don't get me wrong, the Type-R is the weapon of choice if you want to impress the chicks (out of the two) but I'm not convinced a Type-R could shake a T Sport in the real World- they're too similar in spec.

I'd guess the Toyota would be cheaper to insure too, so that may play a big part in the decision making.

[Baryonyx]

VB said:

This thread is awesome. The rate you lot are banging on, a car is only worthy if it meets FIA criteria. It's a road car, a fwd hatchback that goes to the shops and does the commute for 99% of its life. Is a Type-R really that much better than the Corolla at doing the above?

No.

Yes, it is. I suppose it just depends on what you want from your cars, a little or a lot. I commute every day in my MX5, it's a pleasure. Even the sports car foibles (raspy engine, RWD, low seating position etc etc) just add entertainment. Yes, I could do the same journey in a serviceable vehicle like a VW Passat but it just wouldn't be entertaining, would it?

[Tallbut Buxomly]

rallycross said:

I also said they are crap. And I have previously owned one, along with most of its obvious alternatives hence I do have a valid reference point when describing a car.

I just had a look at your previous car experience and I think its a bit lacking in depth for you to have a qualfied opinion on this subject. All cars have good points, and usually the owners of a given model will focus on those good points - but they tend to have blinkers on when it comes to the bad points.

No need to call him an idiot/chav because he doesnt like the car.

I think it does as i am fed up with all the idiots who roll out the "you dont exactly have a great deal of car knowledge as i just looked at your garage" garbage all the time.
It is as i see it an insult to the poster so why should they be immune to being insulted back? Normally i would just ignore it as the stupidity it is but im just not in the mood this evening.

The cars in my profile are ones i have owned it does not show all the cars i have driven some extensively some not so.

I am not blinkered about the toyota either.

I bought it on a whim at auction to sell on (didnt even realise it was anything other than a grannymobile tbh) but never got round to it due to being messed around by a so called mate who offered to buy it off me then stalled for ages before admitting he couldnt afford to.
I then never got round to selling it and as said nearly never use it as i find it noisy and hard work to drive compared to my audi.
It is however great fun to drive if you wish to have a little fun and risk the loss of your license.

We have loads of armchair experts in here going on about it not being a great steer or not having a great chassis or being crap etc. It's like all ph'ers think they are driving gods in the vein of schumi etc.

[Tallbut Buxomly]

hora said:

Driven one? (I haven't BTW) just curious if you had back-to-backed them?

Hora i havent driven either type r or aygo however. The aygo would be a very different beast. It will be a lot slower, quieter and more economical.
The tsport will do some of what the aygo will do but has more space is much quicker and will be at a guess a lot more fun to take on a spirited drive.
Overtaking would be a doddle compared to the aygo for ex.

I wont comment on the type r as i find the interiors of all hondas to be utter cack so have no interest in them.

[Tallbut Buxomly]

VB said:

Owned a Corolla (not a T Sport) and have driven the last 2 incarnations of the type-r.

Don't get me wrong, the Type-R is the weapon of choice if you want to impress the chicks (out of the two) but I'm not convinced a Type-R could shake a T Sport in the real World- they're too similar in spec.

I'd guess the Toyota would be cheaper to insure too, so that may play a big part in the decision making.

Dont bet on it. My one costs me around 400 a year third party limited to 5000miles. 2yrs no claims or might be three not sure.

My a4 on the other hand costs me around the same amount fully comp on 60k miles a year.

In a drag race i expect the Tsport wouldnt know where the type r went however through the twisties it may be a closer run thing.

[pimpchez]

Tallbut Buxomly said:

Dont bet on it. My one costs me around 400 a year third party limited to 5000miles. 2yrs no claims or might be three not sure.

My a4 on the other hand costs me around the same amount fully comp on 60k miles a year.

In a drag race i expect the Tsport wouldnt know where the type r went however through the twisties it may be a closer run thing.

dont look at the parkers 0-60 figures ,tsports will do the sprint in the same time as a type r ,and quicker if its wet ,after 60 though the type r will pull ahead

[VB]

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Baryonyx said:

VB said:

This thread is awesome. The rate you lot are banging on, a car is only worthy if it meets FIA criteria. It's a road car, a fwd hatchback that goes to the shops and does the commute for 99% of its life. Is a Type-R really that much better than the Corolla at doing the above?

No.

Yes, it is. I suppose it just depends on what you want from your cars, a little or a lot. I commute every day in my MX5, it's a pleasure. Even the sports car foibles (raspy engine, RWD, low seating position etc etc) just add entertainment. Yes, I could do the same journey in a serviceable vehicle like a VW Passat but it just wouldn't be entertaining, would it?

I've got both and know which one I prefer to commute in. BTW its not called Mazda

It seems we agree in one place though- if you want a sports car then buy one, but trying to make out the Type-R is dynamically miles ahead in the real World of the Corolla is ridiculous.

Both are hatchbacks, both are fwd, both have 190bhp engines, both have a lack of low down torque, both have similar suspension components, both weigh similar amounts.

Edited by VB on Thursday 17th March 22:10

[thetapeworm]

Someone introduced me to the Toyota Auris Blade Master-G in an earlier post on here, that seems like a more interesting (if slightly bland looking) idea. Small car, big capacity engine - get a regular Corolla and tinker with it a bit, stick a 2GRFE in it and get the brakes and suspension and in order.

They did OK with the Corolla in the WRC at the end of the day but probably on a slightly higher budget than you have in mind

[Tallbut Buxomly]

pimpchez said:

dont look at the parkers 0-60 figures ,tsports will do the sprint in the same time as a type r ,and quicker if its wet ,after 60 though the type r will pull ahead

Depends which one. 0-40 the toyota is substantially quicker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9e2cycvtU&fea...

Skip to 6.40 ish. Long and short as a hot hatch its 3rd out of clio and civic. The thing is the others seem to be designed more as proper hot hatches the rolla seems to be designed as a jack of all master of none.

[pimpchez]

Tallbut Buxomly said:

Depends which one. 0-40 the toyota is substantially quicker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9e2cycvtU&fea...

Skip to 6.40 ish. Long and short as a hot hatch its 3rd out of clio and civic. The thing is the others seem to be designed more as proper hot hatches the rolla seems to be designed as a jack of all master of none.

if you look at my review of mine on page 3 i think (if noone belives i have one il go and get sum custard lol) .i know its not the sharpest hothatch but its not as bad as everyone makes out ,how much time do people actually spend going maximum attack ?
As for the speed its fast yer ,compared to a my mates 2003 st170 for example alot faster

[otolith]

I have the Toyota engine in the back of my Elise, and used to have a Civic Type-R. To be honest, I think the Honda engine is a much better implementation of that kind of thing. The Toyota lump is ok in such a light car, but I think I would find it frustrating in a heavier one - the Honda is much less on/off in power delivery, and to my ears sounds better too.

I do get the point of a normal car with some poke available when needed, but I think a frenetic high revving engine probably better suits a more hardcore car. Something like a Golf VR6 or even one of the more powerful non-sporting diesels seems more appropriate to that role.

[RB Will]

hora said:

Let's go back to basics of being a PH:

Steering
Chassis
Handling

These first.

Oh and any mid-decent driver could drop a Toyota Corolla sport driver on involving twisties in a mx5 mk2.5.

So going on the above Redvictor should be banned from PH?

I disagree about the MX-5 getting away unless the road was very very very twisty. I managed to overtake and drop a track prepped E30 325I Sport ownded by a Ring local at the Ring.
I know from experience that my E30 is slower than the Corolla and the E30 is capable of doing MX-5s in it's sleep. Ok its not all about speed but the Corolla is hardly a tractor. How about thinking of it like a hire car where you have to give it death to really get the best from it, you have to be brave and hang onto it and trust it for it to perform. It may not have much finesse but it is still fun. I have considered selling my E30 and buying my mums one off of her as my daily driver and my car history and experience is hardly poor.

hora said:

Driven one? (I haven't BTW) just curious if you had back-to-backed them?

Owned one for over 5 years and have driven it back to back with Civic Type R, Clio 182 and Focus (various models) along with very many other cars of all types. The only time I have felt let down by the Corolla is when I have jumped from my Impreza to it.

[Miocene]

I drove a couple of Corolla Tsports when I was looking at my last car, along with the usual Type R's, 182s etc so hopefully I'm in some kind of position to comment...

Someone mentioned earlier that the insurance is lower for the Corolla than the Type R, and that was certainly the case for me (I ended up with a Celica 190). From memory I'm sure it was approx 30% more (and considering my premiums were going up due to crashing my last car, it had to be considered).

I drove a Corolla from the local Toyota garage that was their ex demo with every box ticked, and quite frankly it was horrific. It crashed over every single bump, I don't know exactly what was fitted, but it made it painful over everything but the smoothest surfaces. I test drove another locally and enjoyed it. Complete chalk and cheese between the two. Okay, there are compromises, but the overall experience I found to be pretty good. Lord only knows why they didn't fit it with larger wheels. It's not going to win any beauty contests (or remotely stand out from the crowd), but it's not a bad car at all.

The ST170 I drove had something up with it, so not really fair to comment on that. The Type R, light steering aside, was great. A bit harsher a ride than the Corolla or the Celica I ended up with, but understandable why its loved so much (and therefore crashed, and therefore expensive to insure...). A friend bought one just after I did and loves it. He has been pulled over a couple of times for 'random' checks (one as he fit a description of wearing jeans... (think about it... he was driving...)), but otherwise he's had 2 years of happiness. As for the 182, there was no way I was putting up with a clutch that heavy in the traffic of my morning commute. Perhaps it varies a little between them, but this one was especially bad.

Test drove a Lexus IS200 too... and as much as it'd be a lovely cruiser, and i've always had a soft spot for it, £400+ a year tax and the mpg were too much when combined.

[RB Will]

hora said:

Have you guys driven much?! My first car was a 54plate mini cooper- I thought it was the best in the world until I drove other cars. Saying that, even a cooper is better!

Driven plenty of cars. I really don't see what your problem with the car is. Unless you are planning on doing trackdays every weekend or wanting it as a posermobile (in either case you should not be looking at a Corolla) it is a perfectly capable car that should not be dismissed.

Why on earth did you buy a Mini as a first car when there are 1000s of other better cars for the money?

[RobCrezz]

hora said:

I passed my test in that car. Initially the Driving Instructor loaned me it on his insurance (turned into a good mate). I decided to buy it, ran it for 6months and sold it for the same price to a BMW main dealer in Brum (who came upto Manchester to collect it).

Sure the Corolla is a good car. Just don't have a problem with your front exhaust out of warranty. A Toyota-Tech told me they'd just ordered the front exhaust section for a Tsport for a customer...

£3k.

Is that something to do with the Pre cat?

Hopefully no one would pay that price, you could get a custom made stainless steel exhaust for much less than that.