Toyota Corolla T sport 190bhp
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RobCrezz said:
Is that something to do with the Pre cat?
Hopefully no one would pay that price, you could get a custom made stainless steel exhaust for much less than that.
there is no pre cat on them , i think hes talking about the "air injection pump" which adds oxygen to exhaust gasses to help keep Co2 down ,when the car is cold Hopefully no one would pay that price, you could get a custom made stainless steel exhaust for much less than that.
hora said:
Sure the Corolla is a good car. Just don't have a problem with your front exhaust out of warranty. A Toyota-Tech told me they'd just ordered the front exhaust section for a Tsport for a customer...
£3k.
You can say something like that about many cars, eg Vanos in BMWs, ur not going to tell me an M3 is rubbish are you?£3k.
I'm not sure that price is just for a bit of exhaust.
My mums is 9 years old now so well out of warranty. Only problem we have had is a seized rear caliper. My mate never had a problem with his either, maybe we were just lucky
otolith said:
I have the Toyota engine in the back of my Elise, and used to have a Civic Type-R. To be honest, I think the Honda engine is a much better implementation of that kind of thing. The Toyota lump is ok in such a light car, but I think I would find it frustrating in a heavier one - the Honda is much less on/off in power delivery, and to my ears sounds better too.
I do get the point of a normal car with some poke available when needed, but I think a frenetic high revving engine probably better suits a more hardcore car. Something like a Golf VR6 or even one of the more powerful non-sporting diesels seems more appropriate to that role.
This i wholeheartily agree with. Its the second biggest problem with it in my opinion. Its just too much effort to pick up speed from a standstill it just feels so sluggish till 6.2. But first and foremost the gearing. I do get the point of a normal car with some poke available when needed, but I think a frenetic high revving engine probably better suits a more hardcore car. Something like a Golf VR6 or even one of the more powerful non-sporting diesels seems more appropriate to that role.
What the f
k where they thinking?Miocene said:
I drove a couple of Corolla Tsports when I was looking at my last car, along with the usual Type R's, 182s etc so hopefully I'm in some kind of position to comment...
Someone mentioned earlier that the insurance is lower for the Corolla than the Type R, and that was certainly the case for me (I ended up with a Celica 190). From memory I'm sure it was approx 30% more (and considering my premiums were going up due to crashing my last car, it had to be considered).
I drove a Corolla from the local Toyota garage that was their ex demo with every box ticked, and quite frankly it was horrific. It crashed over every single bump, I don't know exactly what was fitted, but it made it painful over everything but the smoothest surfaces. I test drove another locally and enjoyed it. Complete chalk and cheese between the two. Okay, there are compromises, but the overall experience I found to be pretty good. Lord only knows why they didn't fit it with larger wheels. It's not going to win any beauty contests (or remotely stand out from the crowd), but it's not a bad car at all.
The ST170 I drove had something up with it, so not really fair to comment on that. The Type R, light steering aside, was great. A bit harsher a ride than the Corolla or the Celica I ended up with, but understandable why its loved so much (and therefore crashed, and therefore expensive to insure...). A friend bought one just after I did and loves it. He has been pulled over a couple of times for 'random' checks (one as he fit a description of wearing jeans... (think about it... he was driving...)), but otherwise he's had 2 years of happiness. As for the 182, there was no way I was putting up with a clutch that heavy in the traffic of my morning commute. Perhaps it varies a little between them, but this one was especially bad.
Test drove a Lexus IS200 too... and as much as it'd be a lovely cruiser, and i've always had a soft spot for it, £400+ a year tax and the mpg were too much when combined.
Met a chap a short time back who had lowered his rather than changed the wheels and it looked fantastic. Apparently similar ride height to the compressor variant. Not sure about ride and handling effect but he claimed iirc there was next to no difference other than that it no longer looked like a 4x4.Someone mentioned earlier that the insurance is lower for the Corolla than the Type R, and that was certainly the case for me (I ended up with a Celica 190). From memory I'm sure it was approx 30% more (and considering my premiums were going up due to crashing my last car, it had to be considered).
I drove a Corolla from the local Toyota garage that was their ex demo with every box ticked, and quite frankly it was horrific. It crashed over every single bump, I don't know exactly what was fitted, but it made it painful over everything but the smoothest surfaces. I test drove another locally and enjoyed it. Complete chalk and cheese between the two. Okay, there are compromises, but the overall experience I found to be pretty good. Lord only knows why they didn't fit it with larger wheels. It's not going to win any beauty contests (or remotely stand out from the crowd), but it's not a bad car at all.
The ST170 I drove had something up with it, so not really fair to comment on that. The Type R, light steering aside, was great. A bit harsher a ride than the Corolla or the Celica I ended up with, but understandable why its loved so much (and therefore crashed, and therefore expensive to insure...). A friend bought one just after I did and loves it. He has been pulled over a couple of times for 'random' checks (one as he fit a description of wearing jeans... (think about it... he was driving...)), but otherwise he's had 2 years of happiness. As for the 182, there was no way I was putting up with a clutch that heavy in the traffic of my morning commute. Perhaps it varies a little between them, but this one was especially bad.
Test drove a Lexus IS200 too... and as much as it'd be a lovely cruiser, and i've always had a soft spot for it, £400+ a year tax and the mpg were too much when combined.
Interesting read, the guys over at the toyota forums have been reading it as well. I've owned a pre-facelift and now own facelift Corrola T sport, gotta say most of your points are valid.
The 2ZZGE is a good engine, it suffers from lack of torque and can be easily bogged down when you start adding weight to the car. I'd certainly agree that the Honda vtec-i engine is superior, particularly in terms of modding and power as its very costly to improve the 2ZZGE unless you consider forced induction like with the T sport compressor. Up to 70 however you would notice much of a difference between a Civic and standard Corolla TS. The toyota rated 0-62mph we think was down played to improve the Celica's appeal.
Our engines dont loose oil generally and are really well lubricated, but the oil pump has been known to be an issue.
Also consider the differences between the pre-face and facelift T sports, they added uprated shocks, lowered suspension, strut braces (front + rear) to try and remove that body roll and it certainly worked. Still not as stiff as the Type R and doesnt turn corners as well as an EP3, but its comfortable. Most people tend to lower them or put coil overs on to combat the roll.
The T sport gearbox is pretty aweful (Celica + Corolla), we all complain of notchy changes when cold and poor ratios. Your right 6th gear is pointless and its very loud above 70. The Type R gearbox is excellent.
There are a few Pro's, vechicle stability control and traction control standard, climate control + aircon standard, front fogs standard, 8 Airbags, better fuel consumption than the type R, insurance group 14 - not 16, a lot rarer than the Type R.
Note on the VSC, i think the new type R has ESP - which is the same thing. Not that i'd buy one with that rear suspension.
Personally if Uk roads didnt have as many pot holes and petrol was cheaper i'd probably have a type R. If i wanted a real head turner i'd go for a Gen 7 Celica GT.
The 2ZZGE is a good engine, it suffers from lack of torque and can be easily bogged down when you start adding weight to the car. I'd certainly agree that the Honda vtec-i engine is superior, particularly in terms of modding and power as its very costly to improve the 2ZZGE unless you consider forced induction like with the T sport compressor. Up to 70 however you would notice much of a difference between a Civic and standard Corolla TS. The toyota rated 0-62mph we think was down played to improve the Celica's appeal.
Our engines dont loose oil generally and are really well lubricated, but the oil pump has been known to be an issue.
Also consider the differences between the pre-face and facelift T sports, they added uprated shocks, lowered suspension, strut braces (front + rear) to try and remove that body roll and it certainly worked. Still not as stiff as the Type R and doesnt turn corners as well as an EP3, but its comfortable. Most people tend to lower them or put coil overs on to combat the roll.
The T sport gearbox is pretty aweful (Celica + Corolla), we all complain of notchy changes when cold and poor ratios. Your right 6th gear is pointless and its very loud above 70. The Type R gearbox is excellent.
There are a few Pro's, vechicle stability control and traction control standard, climate control + aircon standard, front fogs standard, 8 Airbags, better fuel consumption than the type R, insurance group 14 - not 16, a lot rarer than the Type R.
Note on the VSC, i think the new type R has ESP - which is the same thing. Not that i'd buy one with that rear suspension.
Personally if Uk roads didnt have as many pot holes and petrol was cheaper i'd probably have a type R. If i wanted a real head turner i'd go for a Gen 7 Celica GT.
Revving the knackers off it is quite fun precisely because you're NOT doing it all day.
I can drive a T Sport sensibly all day without ever getting near 6200rpm. It'll return decent fuel economy and handle all the lumps and bumps of London quite easily. But, when required, you can give it the berries and it will sing and fly. Comparatively speaking of course.
It's always fun to feel a car that has hitherto felt quite prosaic do something like that. It surprises people. I agree with you that there is definitely a place for small capacity, efficient turbo cars. But this is PH, and we should celebrate something as loopy as the Corolla T Sport, a car which makes such little sense, but which is so overengineered in a very specific way.
I can drive a T Sport sensibly all day without ever getting near 6200rpm. It'll return decent fuel economy and handle all the lumps and bumps of London quite easily. But, when required, you can give it the berries and it will sing and fly. Comparatively speaking of course.
It's always fun to feel a car that has hitherto felt quite prosaic do something like that. It surprises people. I agree with you that there is definitely a place for small capacity, efficient turbo cars. But this is PH, and we should celebrate something as loopy as the Corolla T Sport, a car which makes such little sense, but which is so overengineered in a very specific way.
Harry Monk said:
Revving the knackers off it is quite fun precisely because you're NOT doing it all day.
I can drive a T Sport sensibly all day without ever getting near 6200rpm. It'll return decent fuel economy and handle all the lumps and bumps of London quite easily. But, when required, you can give it the berries and it will sing and fly. Comparatively speaking of course.
It's always fun to feel a car that has hitherto felt quite prosaic do something like that. It surprises people. I agree with you that there is definitely a place for small capacity, efficient turbo cars. But this is PH, and we should celebrate something as loopy as the Corolla T Sport, a car which makes such little sense, but which is so overengineered in a very specific way.
I think this really sums it up. It just doesnt seem right when you hit 6200rpm. I would almost go so far as to say its more fun than a teg type r as the teg is meant to behave like a hooligan. The toyota just isnt, its a granny wagon.I can drive a T Sport sensibly all day without ever getting near 6200rpm. It'll return decent fuel economy and handle all the lumps and bumps of London quite easily. But, when required, you can give it the berries and it will sing and fly. Comparatively speaking of course.
It's always fun to feel a car that has hitherto felt quite prosaic do something like that. It surprises people. I agree with you that there is definitely a place for small capacity, efficient turbo cars. But this is PH, and we should celebrate something as loopy as the Corolla T Sport, a car which makes such little sense, but which is so overengineered in a very specific way.
Am I allowed to plug my advert? Just dropped the price :-)
Selling my T-Sport here :- http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2542388.htm it's a 54 reg facelift model with the front strut between the suspension mounts etc..
Had it from new - only problem I've had is a faulty CD player replaced under warranty - it's been totally rock solid.
Test drove Civic Type Rs, Clio 182, Mini Cooper S and went for the T-Sport. I got a great discount price and have had no regrets.
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Selling my T-Sport here :- http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2542388.htm it's a 54 reg facelift model with the front strut between the suspension mounts etc..
Had it from new - only problem I've had is a faulty CD player replaced under warranty - it's been totally rock solid.
Test drove Civic Type Rs, Clio 182, Mini Cooper S and went for the T-Sport. I got a great discount price and have had no regrets.
more pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/83002503@N00/sets/721...
[tow bar for bike rack - not caravan!]
Edited by mtbjeff on Tuesday 22 March 15:09
Great cars i bought one last November as my daily drive i have a rev3 mr2 tubby for the wkends ...well built..plenty of toys fitted as standard , i have the full leather interior after nearly 80K miles still looks good ...handling never had a problem with it ...nippy if you get the knack of keeping it above 6K revs ...totally reliable ...have it over a type r anyday and i could have had one ...the type r is the new Saxo vtr 
I sold the Wifes MR2 MK3 in January and bought her a facelift 2005 T sport.
It has a very narrow power band, 6000-8000 but to drive around town its nippy enough.
It doesnt look bad in black either with the facelift exterior/ interior plus all the kit like auto dim mirrors, digital climate, auto wipers, steering wheel controls that the Type R never had. It will just about keep up with my S2000 too, its not slow when driven properly.
They are a pretty well priced/ reliable car but I much prefer the facelift cars especially on a budget over £3000.
It has a very narrow power band, 6000-8000 but to drive around town its nippy enough.
It doesnt look bad in black either with the facelift exterior/ interior plus all the kit like auto dim mirrors, digital climate, auto wipers, steering wheel controls that the Type R never had. It will just about keep up with my S2000 too, its not slow when driven properly.
They are a pretty well priced/ reliable car but I much prefer the facelift cars especially on a budget over £3000.
Discussing the 2ZZGE mine installed in a mk3 MR2 has a powerFC, race cat full 2.75" system exhaust, cold feed induction, mapped on super unleaded. The two companies involved and another lotus one have all said the 2ZZGE NEVER makes its claimed power its more 180bhp stock, it need a standalone ECU and breathing mods to get it up to the claimed 190.
Here is my @ wheels chart.
I actually really like it, it is like the car has two engines, drive normally (under 6000rpm) and its as fast as a 1ZZFE MR2, but if in the mood and drive it in lift and its much quicker. It makes more power under 6000rpm than the 1ZZFE makes peak.
Here is my @ wheels chart.
I actually really like it, it is like the car has two engines, drive normally (under 6000rpm) and its as fast as a 1ZZFE MR2, but if in the mood and drive it in lift and its much quicker. It makes more power under 6000rpm than the 1ZZFE makes peak.
Edited by Herman Toothrot on Wednesday 2nd May 18:50
bogsausage said:
Yeah I think the steering is good. A little artificial at times. But goes round ok for the power
no no ,its far to light .Although you get used to it an like any modern car there is hardly any feel .Like feel ever bothers me when I go type r hunting .however for some its important bogsausage said:
Yeah I think the steering is good. A little artificial at times. But goes round ok for the power
no no ,its far to light .Although you get used to it an like any modern car there is hardly any feel .Like feel ever bothers me when I go type r hunting .however for some its important bogsausage said:
hora said:
TOTALLY agree but its the steering that is key. Especially if your buying a car with almost 200hp though?
Yeah I think the steering is good. A little artificial at times. But goes round ok for the powerWhy do you keep regurgitating this ageing cak?
750turbo said:
bogsausage said:
hora said:
TOTALLY agree but its the steering that is key. Especially if your buying a car with almost 200hp though?
Yeah I think the steering is good. A little artificial at times. But goes round ok for the powerWhy do you keep regurgitating this ageing cak?
pimpchez said:
no no ,its far to light .Although you get used to it an like any modern car there is hardly any feel .Like feel ever bothers me when I go type r hunting .however for some its important
You go Type R hunting in a Corolla?Well I hope you don't find a DC5, as it may embarrass you
Anyway, they are pants. Couldn't wait to sell ours.
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