RE: SOTW: VW Citi Golf
Discussion
TheOrangePeril said:
Christ, so people actually think UWE's a real University now!?...
I'm not going to comment on your spelling or grammar here (even though than it's dodgier than the pope), but in defence of people who do comment here on such issues - it is important. Not to be a nazi about it, but it has a huge bearing on whether you can be understood. A lot of posts on online forums are literally unreadable and I think it's very arrogant to assume that people understand the drivel that seeps out of your barely literate fingertips, when, in fact, we can't.
p.s. did you really mean 'corrospondants' ('correspondents', FYI) or 'correspondence'?
I meant the third one, i also refer to my previous post where i say if national newspapers/ written media are slack with thier use of proper English why is only on the internet that people make a fuss about the indivual, why isnt the Gaurdians and the Times letterpages and inboxes full of 'well if you expect me to read your article on XYZ at least make it readable', it is far more insulting to me to have paid for what is supposed to be something that has quality writing within then going on a forum, late at night, as a liesure activity to find that dannyboy69 forgot to finish off his post on NWAs fI'm not going to comment on your spelling or grammar here (even though than it's dodgier than the pope), but in defence of people who do comment here on such issues - it is important. Not to be a nazi about it, but it has a huge bearing on whether you can be understood. A lot of posts on online forums are literally unreadable and I think it's very arrogant to assume that people understand the drivel that seeps out of your barely literate fingertips, when, in fact, we can't.
p.s. did you really mean 'corrospondants' ('correspondents', FYI) or 'correspondence'?
k Tha Police video on youtube with the correct punctuation. I dont consider UWE a university either, more a hugely expensive and incompetant local college.230TE said:
KM666 said:
£950 aint cheap, not by any measure
So you have a mate who knows nothing about cars and got ripped off. I'm still struggling to see how this makes all VWs rubbish. It was obviously a bad buy, you're his mate, so why didn't you try and stop him?Edited by KM666 on Saturday 19th March 23:58
Edited by KM666 on Sunday 20th March 00:02
Edited by KM666 on Monday 21st March 15:12
KM666 said:
To address your other point i dont know anybody whos had a good experience owning a VW (bar the same idiot mechanic who bought a mk2 GTi for £50) its mostly mk3 golfs that people i know have had trouble with[/footnote]
I'm certainly no VW fanboy and from my limited experience of the breed I would say the quality went downhill from the Mk3 Golf onwards. I think someone at VW realised that perceived quality (doors that shut with a solid 'thunk', hydraulically damped grab handles) will always trump real build quality in the showroom. So more cheap plastic components where most people can't see them; cheaper, lower spec mechanical components; and make the car a couple of hundred kilos heavier than the outgoing model so that it 'feels' better built.But here we are talking about old-school (Mk1/Mk2) Golfs and of these, and their contemporary rivals (Mk4 Escort, Mk2 Astra) I have a lot of experience. The Mk2 Golf always seemed a bit off the pace as a new car - there were rivals which were faster, cheaper, better kitted etc. Even the mighty GTi regularly lost out in road tests to the Peugeot 205 GTi, Fiat Strada Abarth, even the MG Maestro EFi was reckoned by some road testers to be a better car.
But as a shed, in my experience there is very little that can touch a Mk2 Golf. I have never known any other cheap old car that did as much with as little hassle as my two sub-£500 Mk2s. Pity they have almost all gone (the youngest are now 20 years old) because I could really do with another one.
The last couple of pages have been pure comedy gold. A guy who can't spell the word 'capital' telling a poster he doesn't use capital letters correctly, and another guy who doesn't know when to use capital letters telling the original capital letter criminal that he can't spell. On a motoring site. 
'Judge not lest ye be judged' covers it I think.
'Judge not lest ye be judged' covers it I think.
KM666 said:
So a HE body doesnt consider correct spelling or grammar to be neccercery for its seminars, lectures and correspondants yet some jobsworth etc.
If this is the case you (and probably the rest of your generation) have been very badly let down by the educational system. Once you get out into the world of work, you'll find that an ability to express yourself clearly and ambiguously in writing is an essential skill to have in almost all trades, professions and careers. Poor grammar, sentence construction, and spelling are barriers to communicating effectively.
Anyone reading it will also judge your abilities to think by your writing, whether you like it or not. It is also a matter of having respect for those you want to labour through your scribblings.
Funnily enough, those of us of a perhaps older generation do not find that being able to write correctly is any barrier to creativity.
SS7
Edited by shoestring7 on Monday 21st March 11:47
KM666 said:
Because like most people who dont know much about cars he had an honest belief a main used car dealership wouldnt rip him off like that, i told him he should haggle and GMO (the dealership) were dodgy and have no moral issues with selling deathtrap old wrecks, sadly my idiot mechanic mate got him really hyped up about it being a golf and in his childish 'i want any old crap i see' attidue he persuaded the guy to buy it... he went on to get himself ripped off by a Welsh Aisan dealership on a cat D Astra coupe turbo, they took the car back, but 'forgot' to refund him, on the same idiots advice. He had to let an Accord type R go on Pistonheads as it happens for far far less than it was worth (anybody who got an Accord type R recently on about 98k for £2800 (he paid £3800 3 months previously) got themselves a bargin despite the iminent clutch change (not sure if it had it changed for the sale). He learnt the hard way. To address your other point i dont know anybody whos had a good experience owning a VW (bar the same idiot mechanic who bought a mk2 GTi for £50) its mostly mk3 golfs that people i know have had trouble with but a friends wife who has a mk5 golf under warrenty had to pay out £360 because stones got into the brake caliper (a common issue they told her, hence, a £360 bill). I dont think they are any better a place to be in than any other car with the majority of VWs iv ever had the misfortune to travel in having very bad seats for long journies, wierd buffeting if you open the rear windows, and being cramped and slow and heavy. To me plastic is plastic no matter how well its nailed in. Plus theres something that makes me uneasy about how far forward the engines are, i dont know what it is, but its probably something from engineering in college about using an essentialy falwed layout. (although it works for Porsche the other way round)
KM, I'm guessing from the length and frequency of your posts about your lack of punctuation that you have missed the point of the original complaint. It is this:Edited by KM666 on Saturday 19th March 23:58
Edited by KM666 on Sunday 20th March 00:02
I read pistonheads for leisure. I come here to relax and chat about cars. I don't come here because I have to, and I don't come here for a challenge. I read about two lines of your original post on this topic and gave up because deciphering it was too much like hard work. I haven't read any of your other posts because they all look like walls of text too. Simply, I've got better things to do in my lunch hour than wade through badly written posts while at the risk that the message may not have been worth the effort.
There are plenty of posts and threads here to keep me entertained. So I move on. I'm not the only one who does this, hence the advice (not lecture) you received earlier and you now seem to be arguing with. There's no point posting an opinion on here if noone's going to read it, that would be wasting your time only, since not many here are going to waste ours trying to read it.
So it's your choice. Take the advice, make some effort to make your texts readable, your objective of sharing your opinion on the internet will be met and you may get some interesting feedback to have a proper, constructive argument about. Or you can carry on talking to yourself.
Alfanatic said:
KM, I'm guessing from the length and frequency of your posts about your lack of punctuation that you have missed the point of the original complaint. It is this:
I read pistonheads for leisure. I come here to relax and chat about cars. I don't come here because I have to, and I don't come here for a challenge. I read about two lines of your original post on this topic and gave up because deciphering it was too much like hard work. I haven't read any of your other posts because they all look like walls of text too. Simply, I've got better things to do in my lunch hour than wade through badly written posts while at the risk that the message may not have been worth the effort.
There are plenty of posts and threads here to keep me entertained. So I move on. I'm not the only one who does this, hence the advice (not lecture) you received earlier and you now seem to be arguing with. There's no point posting an opinion on here if noone's going to read it, that would be wasting your time only, since not many here are going to waste ours trying to read it.
So it's your choice. Take the advice, make some effort to make your texts readable, your objective of sharing your opinion on the internet will be met and you may get some interesting feedback to have a proper, constructive argument about. Or you can carry on talking to yourself.
So tell that to the people who are causing the decline in english. The national media, pulp fiction novels, magazines and newspapers the morons responsable for the education system all the other people trading off the English langauge, its all very well sat up there on your high horse saying all this to one person who doesnt really care what you think. Instead of getting off on your superiority complex why dont you do something about it seeing as your clearly a master of the English langauge. I read pistonheads for leisure. I come here to relax and chat about cars. I don't come here because I have to, and I don't come here for a challenge. I read about two lines of your original post on this topic and gave up because deciphering it was too much like hard work. I haven't read any of your other posts because they all look like walls of text too. Simply, I've got better things to do in my lunch hour than wade through badly written posts while at the risk that the message may not have been worth the effort.
There are plenty of posts and threads here to keep me entertained. So I move on. I'm not the only one who does this, hence the advice (not lecture) you received earlier and you now seem to be arguing with. There's no point posting an opinion on here if noone's going to read it, that would be wasting your time only, since not many here are going to waste ours trying to read it.
So it's your choice. Take the advice, make some effort to make your texts readable, your objective of sharing your opinion on the internet will be met and you may get some interesting feedback to have a proper, constructive argument about. Or you can carry on talking to yourself.
Please higlight for me the exact examples of bad punctuation from the passage you quoted seeing as its so unreadable.
Edited by KM666 on Monday 21st March 15:11
KM666 said:
Please higlight for me the exact examples of bad punctuation from the passage you quoted seeing as its so unreadable.
Where to start....OK, you've got missing capital letters all over the place.
Poor use of full stops and commas.
Finally, and this is what really makes it completely unreadable, no paragraph breaks at all.
VeeFour said:
KM666 said:
Please higlight for me the exact examples of bad punctuation from the passage you quoted seeing as its so unreadable.
Where to start....OK, you've got missing capital letters all over the place.
Poor use of full stops and commas.
Finally, and this is what really makes it completely unreadable, no paragraph breaks at all.
I wasnt asking you either, i was asking the comedian Alfanatic.
Edited by KM666 on Monday 21st March 16:01
KM666 said:
Missing capital letters? other than 'G'olf where? I didnt give golf a capital 'G' because of my low opinion on them. Poor use of full stops? where else do full stops go other than the end of a sentance? and there are no paragraph breaks because it all feeds into itself. If it is spread over 3 to 4 paragraphs those 3 to 4 passages wouldnt have anything to do with one another, and so it flows better as a slection of long sentances. I dont get this obsession with trying to make everything into tiny little 'bite size' chunks. Do you talk with large breaks between related subjects? No.
I give up. You obviously don't get it and never will get it, especially with an attitude like that.
Carry on talking to yourself - because no-one else can be bothered trying to read it.
VeeFour said:
I give up. You obviously don't get it and never will get it, especially with an attitude like that.
Carry on talking to yourself - because no-one else can be bothered trying to read it.
Haha you tell me its full of missing capital letters and missing full stops and commas but dont identify any examples? How can you expect somebody to learn unless you point out the mistakes? I have never in all years of School and College and now University had anybody say, oh that passage of writing is too long, im too thick to read words close to one another it needs breaking up into irrelivent paragraphs. Carry on talking to yourself - because no-one else can be bothered trying to read it.
Edited by KM666 on Monday 21st March 16:09
KM666 said:
Missing capital letters? Other than 'Golf' where? I didnt give golf a capital 'G' because of my low opinion on them. Poor use of full stops? Where else do full stops go other than the end of a sentence? And there are no paragraph breaks because it all feeds into itself. If it is spread over 3 to 4 paragraphs those 3 to 4 passages wouldnt have anything to do with one another, and so it flows better as a selection of long sentences. I don't get this obsession with trying to make everything into tiny little 'bite size' chunks. Do you talk with large breaks between related subjects? No.
I wasn't asking you either, I was asking the comedian Alfanatic.
The irony. I wasn't asking you either, I was asking the comedian Alfanatic.
Edited by KM666 on Monday 21st March 16:01
KM666 said:
More IT people? Im a Student, how are all of you managing to spend so long not doing any work crusading the internet for bad english... I knew the recession was bad...
I am IT as well in fact. I would also agree your writing is poor and Alfanatic has a point. He is not trying to be condescending or insulting merely helpful so that you dont waste your time writing posts that nobody will have any interest in reading due to poor writing.
My grammar has got terrible of late not sure why but I at least try to make my posts clear and legible rather than one long line of words.
Breaking into paragraphs does not break up the flow of what you are saying. If your writing style was not corrected whilst at uni or school then as said its the fault of the education system.
Quite frankly texting and modern society has made a complete mess of the education system and a large majority are now not taught to read or write properly which is an absolute shame.
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