Is this really as bad as it looks.. :(

Is this really as bad as it looks.. :(

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deveng

3,917 posts

181 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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As an aside: to the people who bang on about you can't be too careful. Picture the scene, you check your tyre pressures, and you find that they are all down by 3 PSI. Would you change the tyres? you can't be too careful! and under inflation kills more tyres than impact damage (don't argue this one, I ran tyre centres for years, if you think that needs changing you clearly don't have the same level of experience as me so, to reiterate, don't argue this one).

I'm not sure if I mentioned it, but, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT TYRE

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

225 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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Petrolhead_Rich said:
£60 for a new tyre or risk of this:



your choice, but I'd rather replace the tyre, maybe as suggested keeping it as a spare, it would be better than a flat, but I wouldn't drive on that!
What, you may get a Peugeot hire car??! eek


edo

16,699 posts

266 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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deveng said:
As an aside: to the people who bang on about you can't be too careful. Picture the scene, you check your tyre pressures, and you find that they are all down by 3 PSI. Would you change the tyres? you can't be too careful! and under inflation kills more tyres than impact damage (don't argue this one, I ran tyre centres for years, if you think that needs changing you clearly don't have the same level of experience as me so, to reiterate, don't argue this one).

I'm not sure if I mentioned it, but, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT TYRE
I think we'll all have to agree to disagree. I (and it seems plenty of others) would change that tyre. I am sure that you have a sh*t load more experience than me, and I am sure that the chance of that tyre failing is small. However, it HAS got damage, it HAS taken a decent tt to a curb, and the thickness of the tyre in that part is impacted - if the rubber there isnt doing anything, why is it there in the first place? It isnt a curb protector.

I guess life is all about balance of probability and risk. My vote is/would be to change it - I guess we all take a view on these things.





deveng

3,917 posts

181 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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edo said:
deveng said:
As an aside: to the people who bang on about you can't be too careful. Picture the scene, you check your tyre pressures, and you find that they are all down by 3 PSI. Would you change the tyres? you can't be too careful! and under inflation kills more tyres than impact damage (don't argue this one, I ran tyre centres for years, if you think that needs changing you clearly don't have the same level of experience as me so, to reiterate, don't argue this one).

I'm not sure if I mentioned it, but, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT TYRE
I think we'll all have to agree to disagree. I (and it seems plenty of others) would change that tyre. I am sure that you have a sh*t load more experience than me, and I am sure that the chance of that tyre failing is small. However, it HAS got damage, it HAS taken a decent tt to a curb, and the thickness of the tyre in that part is impacted - if the rubber there isnt doing anything, why is it there in the first place? It isnt a curb protector.

I guess life is all about balance of probability and risk. My vote is/would be to change it - I guess we all take a view on these things.
Thats fine, you would change the tyre, but my remark was to the masses of people saying the OP NEEDED to change the tyre. If he doesn't know a great deal about tyres, he might go and spunk his hard earnt on something he doesn't need.

Tyres are incredibly strong. The force it would take to cause that damage against a sharp curb is minimal, especially compared to vertical load/cornering forces, so the tyre is able to cope with it, and if the structure were damaged it would have bulged by now (since it was damaged in the snow, which I'm guessing means it was sometime ago and the tyre has covered plenty of mileage in that time for a problem to show).

Maybe I'm a risk taker compared to you, or maybe I'm not willing to spend my money on something that doesn't warrant it.

busta

4,504 posts

234 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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As a few sensible people have said, that does not look like significant damage. I'd not bat an eyelid driving on it.

sebhaque

6,410 posts

182 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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OP perhaps having a "Syndrome" moment? (for those that remember last year's winter Impreza/oil/tread blocks thread) wink

Personally I'd not be too concerned driving on that - but if you're worried about it, change the tyre (remember to change the other tyre on the axle too). A few dozen quid is much less than your peace of mind.

gareth.e

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2,071 posts

190 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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ian_touring said:
+1
The Question is, Gti-6 or rallye?
its a gti-6

wanted a rallye but I didnt think the premium (aka almost double in some cases) justified the 50kgish weight loss smile also the black leather gti-6 interior is much more aesthetic :P



busta said:
As a few sensible people have said, that does not look like significant damage. I'd not bat an eyelid driving on it.
The gash does look deeper in the flesh than on pics but I'll be putting it through the mot and visiting a tire place for opinions.. Its been driven on for atleast 2 months up and down the country with plenty of 'varied' use.

alfasud1

128 posts

164 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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If it's a 25mm or 10% cut and deep enough to go to cord it's illegal and bloody dangerous. Exposed or not

klarky

70 posts

176 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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I had a similar bit of damage to tyres on both my old seat Ibiza and current z4. From the picture I doubt it would fail come mot time. Id suggest just keeping an eye on it, if it gets worse change it.

If you didn't strike the kerb very hard I doubt you have anything to worry about,

B Huey

4,881 posts

200 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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One of the tyres on my camper has some damage on the sidewall, but not as bad as the OP's.

I was going to fit 2 new ones, having read this I will stick with what I've got.

OlberFKWJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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chevronb37 said:
ian_touring said:
Tonberry said:
Who else guessed it was a 'Cyclone' alloy from a 306 from just looking at the picture?

....just me then getmecoat
+1
The Question is, Gti-6 or rallye?
+1. Could be a DTurbo maybe?
nerd

Would have to be a later HDi model. IIRC the DTurbo had the slatted alloys.

deveng

3,917 posts

181 months

Monday 21st March 2011
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alfasud1 said:
If it's a 25mm or 10% cut
Where did you get that from? Never came across that running MOT centres. Have seen longer than 25mm cuts go through MOTs (IIRC length of a cut isn't even measured, and 25mm deep would be a hole since sidewalls arent an inch thick (some beads are but not the sidewall itself)). And what is a 10% cut? Depth? How are you supposed to measure this using the tools provided for an MOT (which doesn't include a calculator).

jagracer

8,248 posts

237 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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deveng said:
Where did you get that from? Never came across that running MOT centres. Have seen longer than 25mm cuts go through MOTs (IIRC length of a cut isn't even measured, and 25mm deep would be a hole since sidewalls arent an inch thick (some beads are but not the sidewall itself)). And what is a 10% cut? Depth? How are you supposed to measure this using the tools provided for an MOT (which doesn't include a calculator).
Is it that difficult to work out 10% of anything and how would you work out brake performance when doing emergency testing?

Athlon

5,032 posts

207 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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You can only measure 10% of something where you know the original thickness and I very much doubt you could quote the thickness of a sidewall.

fwaggie

1,644 posts

201 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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busta said:
As a few sensible people have said, that does not look like significant damage. I'd not bat an eyelid driving on it.
  • *DING***
Superglue the rubber flap back on, cover it up with some mud just before taking it to the MOT station.

Simples.

Frik

13,542 posts

244 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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deveng said:
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT TYRE
Rather a conclusive statement given only a couple of images to look at there. Not sure I could be so certain.

OlberFKWJ

14,101 posts

234 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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It's worth £50 to me not to chance a blow-out, whatever the outcome.

cheesesliceking

1,571 posts

241 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Petrolhead_Rich said:
£60 for a new tyre or risk of this:



your choice, but I'd rather replace the tyre, maybe as suggested keeping it as a spare, it would be better than a flat, but I wouldn't drive on that!
FFS Lighten up

THIS is why nobody takes this forum or website seriously, people like you that sieze the opportunity to dish out advice with no basis in fact.

Well done with the picture too.. not overkill at all..

Harry Monk

5,187 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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I clipped a kerb with a 996 Turbo once on the way out to a test venue.

Drove the car at full speed on a banked oval and only later that evening did it dawn on me to check how the tyres were holding up. There was a massive bulge in the sidewall of the wheel I'd kerbed. Made me feel slightly nauseous to think that I'd just been driving at 190mph on it.

If it's not an MoT issue, it very much depends on how much knowing that you have a split in your sidewall will mess with your mind.


Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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I wonder how many of the drama queens would actually change that tyre if it was on their car; relatively few I suspect, and that's assuming they'd even notice it.