STOLEN MK4 GOLF R32 - HOW!??!?!?

[binlicker]

graduate106 said:

Hmmm, so is there a main VW number I could ring that would be able to check if any keys have been issued for my car then...?

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as that, the new key won't have been 'posted' to a dealer. All the dealers will carry blanks, they will make a phonecall to germany to request the code for your particular car, that code will be sent online to the dealers diagnostic computer which will then be used to program the blank chip in the new key.

So yes in theory, someone, somewhere will be able to tell you who requested your cars info but that is a microscopic needle in an enormous haystack. Thats if you can get anybody to talk to you in the first place.

If it was me I would approach my local VAG dealer and explain the situation, they will probably have far more leverage obtaining the info. I would think VAG would be less than impressed if this is what has happened and their systems are being used for criminal activity.

To be honest though, if your car has been seen being driven and you still have all the original keys then this is the only explanation I can come up with.

[R60EST]

Nothing to add other than sorry you were visited by the scum .You only need the chassis number to obtain a coded key from most manufacturers. They see this as a safer option than using just the reg number alone , however this is a completely useless security measure as the VIN can be obtained online with the VRM , one such site was posted on here in the last week or so

[Jo Po]

Kiltox said:

It's not as ridiculous as you're making out - if the systems are as secure as they should be any coding of keys should be recorded somewhere. I know Renault make people faff around to get keys now due to a number of cloning incidents.

You honestly believe these keys have been replicated by going down the correct channels, Recorded sale and coding?


Jesus Christ.


Maybe they phoned the Police and asked for 15 minutes head start aswell?

[Kiltox]

All I'm saying is there must be a serious flaw in the manufacturer's systems if it is possible to code a key with a VRM/VIN and it not be recorded anywhere.

Fk you very much too...

[AndrewW-G]

R60EST said:

Nothing to add other than sorry you were visited by the scum .You only need the chassis number to obtain a coded key from most manufacturers. They see this as a safer option than using just the reg number alone , however this is a completely useless security measure as the VIN can be obtained online with the VRM , one such site was posted on here in the last week or so

Or you could simply walk up to the car whilst it was parked on the street / in a car park and note the VIN from the plate on the top of the dashboard

[Blakewater]

Have you ever left your keys unattended anywhere? At work, in a gym changing room?

[binlicker]

AndrewW-G said:

Or you could simply walk up to the car whilst it was parked on the street / in a car park and note the VIN from the plate on the top of the dashboard

Jesus its hard work. Yes but even with the VIN, registration number, hell even a nice photo of you with the car you'd still have to prove YOU have any grounds to want a key and identify who YOU actually are, its a long shot but I'm gonna guess V5, driving license or passport here, maybe a couple of utility bills for good measure. Without these a main dealer SHOULD NOT issue a new key, however it can be done as I have proved, no ID was required from me because the dealer knows me and knows the vehicle, evidently the manufacturer leaves the dealers to police the security side of things and takes their word for it. So whats to stop some low life employed at a main dealer ordering himself a key?

Clear now?

Edited by binlicker on Tuesday 22 March 22:02

[Jo Po]

Kiltox said:

All I'm saying is there must be a serious flaw in the manufacturer's systems if it is possible to code a key with a VRM/VIN and it not be recorded anywhere.

Fk you very much too...

There is a flaw. It is possible.

Whats your point?


And dont get arsey because you were wrong.

[Kiltox]

Jo Po said:

There is a flaw. It is possible.

Whats your point?


And dont get arsey because you were wrong.

I'm not getting arsey because I was wrong, I'm getting arsey because you're being a cnt for no real reason.

[Google [bot]]

O/T but I saw a fantastic MkV R32 police chase the other day following a bank robbery. It was like V8 Supercars but in a quiet suburb.

[binlicker]

Jo Po said:

There is a flaw. It is possible.

Whats your point?


And dont get arsey because you were wrong.

As explained in my post above!

[Bungleaio]

How are your insurance taking it? I assume they will just pay out after some negotiation over the price. Either way the cars gone and you've got some money but you will have a claim registered on your insurance.

I'm not looking forward to selling my impreza, I can see a load of jokers turning up just to have a play. When the time comes to more it on I might take the hit and part exchange it at a garage.

[AndrewW-G]

binlicker said:

AndrewW-G said:

Or you could simply walk up to the car whilst it was parked on the street / in a car park and note the VIN from the plate on the top of the dashboard

Jesus its hard work.

Dressed appropriatly and with the right attitude, its easy to do almost anything that people claim you shouldnt be able to, it's how the vast majority of con artists (or hackers etc) operate and thats without considering the other options an organised gang could utlise . . . . . .need a V5 to get a key, either get a replacement in the owners name sent to another address or have one faked up with photoshop together with appropriate supporting evidence.

[Jo Po]

Kiltox said:

I'm not getting arsey because I was wrong, I'm getting arsey because you're being a for no real reason.

Im being a by simply saying that he's wasting his time contacting a dealer? Erm....OK.

I know for a FACT that you could get the relevant info for coding a key without leaving foot prints in the system. And this is VAG too.

[Kiltox]

Jo Po said:

I know for a FACT that you could get the relevant info for coding a key without leaving foot prints in the system. And this is VAG too.

Now if you'd said that rather than "If I was going to steal a car, I'd go to a main dealer and have it done by the service desk. They might have left a name and address for you too!"...........

Yep, cnt.

[havoc]

binlicker said:

AndrewW-G said:

Or you could simply walk up to the car whilst it was parked on the street / in a car park and note the VIN from the plate on the top of the dashboard

Jesus its hard work. Yes but even with the VIN, registration number, hell even a nice photo of you with the car you'd still have to prove YOU have any grounds to want a key and identify who YOU actually are, its a long shot but I'm gonna guess V5, driving license or passport here, maybe a couple of utility bills for good measure. Without these a main dealer SHOULD NOT issue a new key, however it can be done as I have proved, no ID was required from me because the dealer knows me and knows the vehicle, evidently the manufacturer leaves the dealers to police the security side of things and takes their word for it. So whats to stop some low life employed at a main dealer ordering himself a key?

Clear now?

Correct. The formal process for ordering a new key (from some manufacturers, anyway) isn't robust enough. The informal way (in exchange for a small brown envelope) is very very difficult to prevent.

[Jo Po]

Kiltox said:

Now if you'd said that rather than "If I was going to steal a car, I'd go to a main dealer and have it done by the service desk. They might have left a name and address for you too!"...........

Yep, cnt.

Im not here to Molly cuddle people and hold their hand through car thefts.

Having to use names to get your point across. Pathetic little man.

[R60EST]

Before it descends into a total bh fight lets just agree that there is a certain amount of information that IS required to obtain a key and much more that SHOULD be required

[binlicker]

Jo Po said:

Kiltox said:

Now if you'd said that rather than "If I was going to steal a car, I'd go to a main dealer and have it done by the service desk. They might have left a name and address for you too!"...........

Yep, cnt.

Im not here to Molly cuddle people and hold their hand through car thefts.

Having to use names to get your point across. Pathetic little man.

You two are going to give n00bs a bad name.

[saaby93]

R60EST said:

Before it descends into a total bh fight lets just agree that there is a certain amount of information that IS required to obtain a key and much more that SHOULD be required

They do ask for a lot but who's to know if it's legit?
If dealers didnt lose keys there wouldnt be a problem
A few months back tried to go for a test drive at a well known main dealer. They couldnt find the keys which supposed to be in their key safe.